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Paul4Travel Oct 29, 2012 2:59 pm

untill waiting Sheikh Yerbootyreply,
i would add that i can also fly from
LH: BLQ (1 stop) to GVA for 65 Eur , but these are 2 separate flights....
so if the 1st flight delays, i will lost the 2nd flight! the only advantage in this case would be mileage earning and low price (+ LH network, but no connection guarantee between these 2 LH flights!)

qvzn Oct 29, 2012 5:09 pm


Originally Posted by Paul4Travel (Post 19584488)
do you think the train is a big risk? i was wondering if there's a website who reports on-time statistics about train..and i would think that 11h gap would be enough to solve eventual delays?!:confused:

I was thinking the "main" flight (out of GVA) was longhaul/expensive since you're trying hard to make it. If it's not, then I'd stick with the train, which is the cheapest option. The train also has much better options for service recovery if something happens (as opposed to easyjet, which either flies, or not)

I doubt there's a web site with on-time statistics, but I'm sure if you google around you can find someone's story about taking the train, how or if it failed, etc

Aviatrix Oct 30, 2012 2:17 am


Originally Posted by Sheikh Yerbooty (Post 19586620)
Don't know if you were checking prices for a Ferrari, but if so more power to your elbow.

In the mean time, a quick check of sixt.de reveals you can get a Mercedes C-class for 110 Euro or, if you fancy something a bit less posh, a Citroen C3 for 55. And that's for a one-way rental at Venice train station to Geneva airport.

That's most unusual. I've never come across a European car hire firm that did NOT charge a hefty premium for one-way cross-border rental.

In any case... since the OP is travelling in winter, and is already expressing concerns about possible weather problems, I don't think car hire is really a good option.

stut Oct 30, 2012 3:17 am

The Sixt website is a little naughty on occasion - look for "you may also be charged one-way fees on top of this rental quote" or something similar.

Paul4Travel Oct 30, 2012 4:06 am


Originally Posted by Aviatrix (Post 19590586)
That's most unusual. I've never come across a European car hire firm that did NOT charge a hefty premium for one-way cross-border rental.

In any case... since the OP is travelling in winter, and is already expressing concerns about possible weather problems, I don't think car hire is really a good option.

Exactly!^


Originally Posted by stut (Post 19590707)
The Sixt website is a little naughty on occasion - look for "you may also be charged one-way fees on top of this rental quote" or something similar.

i think Sheikh Yerbooty, made a little mistake (involuntary) because he made a simulation on sixt week-end promo for november, and anyway one way fees are applied (as always)!;)

Paul4Travel Oct 30, 2012 4:12 am


Originally Posted by qvzn (Post 19588734)
I was thinking the "main" flight (out of GVA) was longhaul/expensive since you're trying hard to make it. If it's not, then I'd stick with the train, which is the cheapest option. The train also has much better options for service recovery if something happens (as opposed to easyjet, which either flies, or not)

I doubt there's a web site with on-time statistics, but I'm sure if you google around you can find someone's story about taking the train, how or if it failed, etc

as previously said: i've also possibility to fly with LH (earn miles!:D) with 1 connection; about it, they are 2 single flight with 4h connection in TXL (LH has a big netowrk in case of cancellation..but in this case not for delays because these are single flights, booked separately so if 2st flight is cancelled, i will lost everything!)

i would also consider that i can make an insurance for loss of connection flights (e.g. if i choose U2, and it will be cancelled, i've 2.000Euro insurance coverage), but ,you know, 2000Eur for a long haul flight, booked some our before departure are less than real price!

Paul4Travel Oct 30, 2012 5:32 am

i would also consider that usually, U2 is pretty on time:
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...irportCode=GVA

also compared with LX:
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...yCarrier=false

pacer142 Oct 30, 2012 6:14 am


Originally Posted by Paul4Travel (Post 19584488)
do you think the train is a big risk? i was wondering if there's a website who reports on-time statistics about train..and i would think that 11h gap would be enough to solve eventual delays?!:confused:

I would choose the train over a flight. But is there not an option for an earlier train, perhaps by changing?

Neil

nrr Oct 30, 2012 6:16 am


Originally Posted by klmml (Post 19581399)
Where is the OP travelling from?

Is it London ("Train is at 4pm and arrive in Ginevra Central Station at 11pm" matches with the time Eurostar + TGV would take, but not exactly the train times), or somewhere in CH? I can't think of anywhere in CH that is 7 hours by train from Geneva. Anyway, if you do seriously plan to do London to Geneva by train, then I would encourage you to allow a generous gap for crossing Paris

The other mysterious thing in your post is "suisse High speed train". If my Eurostar + TGV supposition is correct, then fair enough. I have my suspicions that you might be referring to travel from somewhere in Italy to Geneva, on train EC42. In which case, beware that these (former?) "Cisalpino" services have a reputation for poor reliability, faults, breakdowns, poor cleaning and minimal catering. I would definitely not rely on getting to Geneva on one of them!

The Glacier Express from St. Moritz to Visp takes 6:30 (and this is a "fast" train skipping lots of stations between Chur and Visp), add another 2:30 to Geneva = 9 hrs--but you get to see super scenery between Chur and Visp.

Paul4Travel Oct 30, 2012 7:00 am


Originally Posted by pacer142 (Post 19591143)
I would choose the train over a flight. But is there not an option for an earlier train, perhaps by changing?

Neil

That's a non stop train, safer because i do not have to change others train (particularly in case of delays..)

furthermore train changing in Milan costs >100 Eur, so in that case i would consider LH!

So i think the 3 possibilities are:

1) U2 VCE - GVA=65 EUR and pretty on time everytime: http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...irportCode=GVA __Fastest, mid-price compared, risk 40%(?!)

2) 2 x LH=88EUR with 4h connection time gap in Germany (not guarantee, because separate bookings) but with LH netowork possibilities in case of cancellations; furthermore mileage earning on M&M! __mid-fast, mid-price compared, connection, risk 40% ?!

3) Venice-Geneva Central Station= 29 EUR + Geneva Central St. - GVA (=bus or train 2 EUR) __slow, no stops, low price compared, risk 50% ?!

4)Venice-Milano Centrale Station + Milano Centrale Station - Geneva + Geneva Central St. - GVA= 28EUR + 2 EUR bus
and I should arrive in Geneva at 4pm, so 18h gap about !!
(New one i've found) __slow, change, lowest price compared, risk 30% (many connections possibilities in Milan)

but about the train service: high risk of strikes+high delays in case of snow!

which?!:confused:

Paul4Travel Nov 6, 2012 5:04 am


Originally Posted by Paul4Travel (Post 19591307)
That's a non stop train, safer because i do not have to change others train (particularly in case of delays..)

furthermore train changing in Milan costs >100 Eur, so in that case i would consider LH!

So i think the 3 possibilities are:

1) U2 VCE - GVA=65 EUR and pretty on time everytime: http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...irportCode=GVA __Fastest, mid-price compared, risk 40%(?!)

2) 2 x LH=88EUR with 4h connection time gap in Germany (not guarantee, because separate bookings) but with LH netowork possibilities in case of cancellations; furthermore mileage earning on M&M! __mid-fast, mid-price compared, connection, risk 40% ?!

3) Venice-Geneva Central Station= 29 EUR + Geneva Central St. - GVA (=bus or train 2 EUR) __slow, no stops, low price compared, risk 50% ?!

4)Venice-Milano Centrale Station + Milano Centrale Station - Geneva + Geneva Central St. - GVA= 28EUR + 2 EUR bus
and I should arrive in Geneva at 4pm, so 18h gap about !!
(New one i've found) __slow, change, lowest price compared, risk 30% (many connections possibilities in Milan)

but about the train service: high risk of strikes+high delays in case of snow!

which?!:confused:

Finally, i think i will choose the option n. 4!Slower, but safer..

pacer142 Nov 6, 2012 10:03 am


Originally Posted by Paul4Travel (Post 19591307)
4)Venice-Milano Centrale Station + Milano Centrale Station - Geneva + Geneva Central St. - GVA= 28EUR + 2 EUR bus
and I should arrive in Geneva at 4pm, so 18h gap about !!
(New one i've found) __slow, change, lowest price compared, risk 30% (many connections possibilities in Milan)

That one, without question. Plenty of options for other connections if it goes wrong. Buy a through ticket to GVA if you can, there is no point taking the bus when there are 4 trains per hour. If not, still take the train.

Neil

Paul4Travel Nov 6, 2012 3:46 pm


Originally Posted by pacer142 (Post 19634632)
That one, without question. Plenty of options for other connections if it goes wrong. Buy a through ticket to GVA if you can, there is no point taking the bus when there are 4 trains per hour. If not, still take the train.

Neil

Thank You.
obv. problem persists if bad weather conditions afflict the Alps during that days..:(

pacer142 Nov 7, 2012 6:40 am


Originally Posted by Paul4Travel (Post 19636977)
Thank You.
obv. problem persists if bad weather conditions afflict the Alps during that days..:(

Can't see it as likely to affect the trains. And GVA is used to bad weather, it often causes delay while de-icing is carried out, but not so often cancellation.

Having chosen and booked option 4, I would stop worrying.

Neil

Catusa Dec 8, 2012 3:43 pm

a little late on this but you could have gotten from VCE to LYS cheaply, slept overnight in LYS which is cheaper than GVA, taken the 630 AM train departure from LYS which arrives in GVA around 9 am. I think I am taking the same flt in Dec and getting there by train. LYS doesn't get hit as hard as GVA can by snow. I live in downtown LYS and we could have a lively discussion about MR.


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