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pacer142 Oct 8, 2012 7:47 am


Originally Posted by ed209 (Post 19452821)
I'm considering a position in Paris. I live not far from Birmingham. There are multiple daily flights although I'd be in Paris 3 days per week, tue to thurs or something.

Having worked from home for many years I'm a bit nervous about taking on that commute.

Some things I'm wondering:

- How much before your flight do you arrive at the airport. Doing my holiday 1.5 hour wait twice per week would be a pain!

I generally arrive at the airport (Luton in my case) about 1.5 hours before departure and use the time for a leisurely breakfast. But this morning I really couldn't be bothered and so arrived just over an hour before. Depends on how busy the airport tends to be - you'll get used to it.


- Do you have to book flights individually or can you block book, like a travel card?
easyJet let you book as many as you want on a single booking. Just about every other airline doesn't allow that and means you have to do each at a time. No such thing as unlimited-travel travelcards, though.


- How bad is a commute like that? Does it get you down? Is the time away from kids productive for sorting out other things?
I'm single and live on my own, and on that basis it's acceptable. I wouldn't even consider it if I had a young family - kids are more important than anything else. But YMMV - some may find they enjoy the time with their family all the more on the other days - particularly if you have the option to work from home rather than say commuting to the big city each day.


- Is it better to fly early before work like 6am or last thing at night and go the night before?
Depends how late you'd arrive. With the timezone being +1, late can mean very late, then there isn't much in it, though having taken the 0725 easyJet LTN-GVA this morning I'm half asleep. Also depends on whether you would want the extra evening at home. Notably, the flight is 0625 in winter, and that's far, far harder - going to bed about 10:30pm (I can't sleep much earlier really) there is to me a huge difference between a start at 0330 and at 0430.

Neil

Triceratops Oct 8, 2012 7:49 am

Forgot to add that I am now commuting 90 minutes each way every day – by car. Frankly I’d swap it for an arrangement like the one you are proposing in a heartbeat. But then I don’t have children and my husband is away 3 days a week himself!

pacer142 Oct 8, 2012 7:53 am


Originally Posted by slawecki (Post 19456731)
do not let your management/company read this. if they have/had any common sense, they'd fire you before the sun went down. daily 2 or 3 hr each way commutes are the order of the day for a significant percentage of the working population here in dc. i presume it is the same in many metropolitan areas.

You presume wrongly. In the UK I think it's only London where even near that is common, probably capping out at 2-2.5 hours really (Brighton and the likes).

The usual in the UK would be 30-45 minutes in most cases, not usually over an hour. And very long daily commutes are neither good for the environment nor for the individual's health.

Neil

pacer142 Oct 8, 2012 7:56 am


Originally Posted by Triceratops (Post 19456864)
Forgot to add that I am now commuting 90 minutes each way every day – by car.

Nasty, and probably quite dangerous when tired.

I would, and in fact when working at our base office do, choose a 2.5 hour cross-London train journey at twice the cost to avoid doing a 1.5 hour car commute. I made that decision after a narrowly avoided accident (avoided by the other driver's actions, would have been caused by mine) which resulted from me "autopiloting" because of the tiredness that amounts up with an early start and spending those 90 minutes trying to be attentive.

Neil

Triceratops Oct 8, 2012 7:59 am


Originally Posted by pacer142 (Post 19456907)
Nasty, and probably quite dangerous when tired.

Yes, and yes. Sadly the job market is also nasty.

stut Oct 8, 2012 8:03 am

Even in my office in London, I'd say I'm one of the few commuting over 1h (generally 1h-1h15) - and that's for a 50-mile train/bicycle journey. Personally, I wouldn't like to do much more than that, and certainly not on a form of transport where I couldn't read for the bulk of it - life's just too short. I do realise that now's not a great time to be overly picky, however...

To the OP - only you can figure out what your time means to you.

Personally, I've done LCY-AMS for 3-day-week stints and loved it (single, good friends with my colleagues) and done LHR-OSL for 5-day-week stints (married, variable relationship with colleagues) and hated it. I wouldn't go back to that kind of travel again now I'm married, and have specifically sought out work that has the right balance of home/travel time for me now. But I can't tell you what the right balance is for you.

Another consideration - it sounds like you're paying for your flights. Realistically, if you add all that up - and accommodation too? Extra food costs if you don't have cooking facilities? - how worthwhile is the remaining salary? Make sure you do the sums properly, too - see what flight costs are at the time you'll be travelling, with the kind of advance booking you can manage.

Finally, how well do you know France? It's a very different working culture to the UK - some good and bad points - and it takes some time and mutual understanding to adapt (particularly if there's a language barrier - I don't know if there is in your case).

ed209 Oct 8, 2012 8:34 am

Thanks to everyone for your advice. It seems like it's doable for a while. My plan would be this:

fly to paris on a Monday night, Fly back on Thurs night. Yes I pay/book everything myself, flights are about £150 return. Hotels are about £70 per night. So that lifestyle would cost me about £360 + food per week. It's within budget.

Eventually I would move to Paris for a year or so, but I imagine I'll be commuting for 4-6 months.

angatol Oct 8, 2012 9:26 am

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ed209 Oct 8, 2012 9:33 am


Originally Posted by angatol (Post 19457407)
You might want to consider flying to BHX Thursday night and "back" to CDG Monday night in order to benefit from the Saturday night stay requirement if applicable.

Interesting, never thought about that. I just tried a couple of searches on Flybe and they work out the same as the other way round - but it's a handy tip!

angatol Oct 8, 2012 9:38 am

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pacer142 Oct 8, 2012 9:39 am


Originally Posted by Triceratops (Post 19456919)
Yes, and yes. Sadly the job market is also nasty.

True.

Neil

ironmanjt Oct 8, 2012 9:46 am


Originally Posted by slawecki (Post 19456731)
daily 2 or 3 hr each way commutes are the order of the day for a significant percentage of the working population here in dc.

Significant? Even Richmond, lots of WV, and Baltimore are under two hours. I don't think a "significant" group of DC-workers commute further than that. In all my years of working in DC, I think the number of people I've known with a 2+ hour commute is less than 5.

pacer142 Oct 9, 2012 4:16 am


Originally Posted by angatol (Post 19457471)
Try here: http://matrix.itasoftware.com/ I just tried a random date, and the cheapest flight was on AF (though one leg operated by flybe) and it had a Saturday night stay requirement.

I don't know how good AF are, but if they're an option it is probably better than the organisation best known as "Flymaybe", unless they have seriously improved their on-time performance.

Neil

pedroQ Oct 9, 2012 7:23 am


Originally Posted by ed209 (Post 19457077)
Hotels are about £70 per night.

Worth your while checking whether this is the case year-round before committing to anything; if you find a hotel you like, it's also worth trying to negotiate a discount with them given that you'll be staying with them quite a lot.

Either way... Priceline, Hotwire, and biddingfortravel/betterbidding etc are your friends.

pacer142 Oct 9, 2012 10:38 am


Originally Posted by pedroQ (Post 19463552)
Worth your while checking whether this is the case year-round before committing to anything;

May also be worth checking that for air fares. LTN-GVA is massively cheaper in winter than summer (because they operate so much extra capacity).

Booked one or two months in advance, I tend to get around the £50-80 mark one way in summer, but base fares £19/£29 (from/to UK due to APD) very often in winter.

Neil


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