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timfountain Sep 2, 2012 1:37 pm


Originally Posted by KurtVH (Post 19239938)
Special relationship and all that. I don't think there's uch downside to trying in the UK.

What part of the "special relationship" affords either citizen/subject of each country some privileges or right not given to those outside of the two countries. Hint - nothing.
The special relationship does not exist in any form other than the imagination....

Michilander Sep 2, 2012 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by ESpen36 (Post 19239160)
I think the purpose is to identify the traveler as somebody who is traveling on behalf of the US Government in an official capacity (i.e. working for the US Government), but is not high-level enough to qualify for a diplomatic passport. Staff members of diplomats, members of Congress, cultural attachés, contractors, etc.

One advantage is that I think the official passport has no fee. It is issued by a special bureau of the DOS in Washington, not by the regional passport agencies.

It doesn't have anything to do with being "high enough". You get a black passport as a member of the diplomatic corps, you get a red one as a non-diplomatic government employee. I carried a red one for many years as a DoD employee. We were required to carry it when traveling on USG business. I also always carried my blue one (hold over from an earlier time when you were encouraged to not produce a red passport if the the aircraft was taken over or any other hostage situation.)


Originally Posted by erik123 (Post 19239248)
At LHR there typically is a special line (can't recall what it's called - but might be special assistance) - ask the person manning the entry point if you can use it - they will likely let you. I did and worked fine (my kid briefly fainted after leaving the plane).

If there is such a line I never found it on any of my trips to the UK. Just went through the same line as I would with the blue one.


Originally Posted by SporkLover (Post 19239611)
There shouldn't be.if you had a black diplomat passport thats different

Usually Official passports (Red No Fee) get you nothing except extra scrutiny. The VISA requirements are usually more stringent (you can find the requirements for entry with official passports on the State Department webpage). And in general I've been told its a bad idea to try to enter with one passport and leave on another. Again just invites scrutiny. The Red passport got me the extra super deluxe grilling at TLV.


We did get some expedited service on a visit to South Korea a while ago. And it used to be that flashing a red passport got you less scrutiny by customs when returning to the US, but that hasn't been true for some years now.

Some countries do have different visa requirements depending on whether you are on a red or blue passport. I am surprised someone mentioned that happened in Spain as I don't recall any visa requirements for either red or blue passports on visits to the EU for under 90 days. Maybe this happened before Spain joined the EU?

Even though I always carried both passports when on government business, I agree with the earlier post that you should always have the same one scanned when going through passport control.

KurtVH Sep 2, 2012 3:24 pm


Originally Posted by timfountain (Post 19240351)
What part of the "special relationship" affords either citizen/subject of each country some privileges or right not given to those outside of the two countries. Hint - nothing.
The special relationship does not exist in any form other than the imagination....

You are quite wrong. There are numerous examples. As a government contractor in the U.S. I have been able to get UK citizens (vendors who are working on my company's equipment) onboard U.S. military installations. They are the only foreign citizens who have been allowed. Those not allowed include people from other NATO countries. Intelligence sharing between the two countries is also unique (at least for the U.S.); even Canada and Australia do not have as close a relationship (though those are very close as well). There are many other examples. The special relationship is far from imaginary.

Hint: Try to be well informed if you're going to make absolute pronouncements.

cordelli Sep 2, 2012 4:02 pm

See this older thread for some discussion as to the differences between red and blue passports

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...-business.html

Track Sep 2, 2012 5:53 pm


Originally Posted by ESpen36 (Post 19239160)
not high-level enough to qualify for a diplomatic passport... cultural attachés.

Cultural attaches are accredited diplomats ("Public Affairs Officers"), are on the diplomatic lists and therefore have diplomatic passports and diplomatic immunity in the country to which they are accredited. Public Affairs Officers have the same security level as any other U.S. diplomat and they all commonly switch back and forth between political, economic, administrative, consular and public affairs specialties - with appropriate trainig. Some countries still separate diplomatic and consular officers and do not afford consuls diplomatic immunity, however. It all comes down to the agreement between the two countries.

Track Sep 2, 2012 5:58 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingHoustonian (Post 19239555)
Technically you are only to use it for official travel.

Generally this is true, but the State Dept. requires its diplomats to use their diplomatic passports when traveling to certain countries, even if on personal travel. At least this was the case before the Berlin Wall fell. My information is not up-to-date, but it might still apply to China.

ESpen36 Sep 2, 2012 6:43 pm


Originally Posted by Track (Post 19241328)
Cultural attaches are accredited diplomats ("Public Affairs Officers"), are on the diplomatic lists and therefore have diplomatic passports and diplomatic immunity in the country to which they are accredited. Public Affairs Officers have the same security level as any other U.S. diplomat and they all commonly switch back and forth between political, economic, administrative, consular and public affairs specialties - with appropriate trainig. Some countries still separate diplomatic and consular officers and do not afford consuls diplomatic immunity, however. It all comes down to the agreement between the two countries.



Okay, I admit that I was using the term "cultural attachés" in jest. We all know that being a cultural attaché is the customary cover for being something else.... or maybe I just watch too many spy movies.

SporkLover Sep 2, 2012 7:47 pm


Originally Posted by Michilander (Post 19240596)
We did get some expedited service on a visit to South Korea a while ago. And it used to be that flashing a red passport got you less scrutiny by customs when returning to the US, but that hasn't been true for some years now.

Some countries do have different visa requirements depending on whether you are on a red or blue passport. I am surprised someone mentioned that happened in Spain as I don't recall any visa requirements for either red or blue passports on visits to the EU for under 90 days. Maybe this happened before Spain joined the EU?

Even though I always carried both passports when on government business, I agree with the earlier post that you should always have the same one scanned when going through passport control.

South Korea giving expedited services wouldn't surprise me. With the exception of The existence of an Army Garrison in Seoul, they seem to love our presence there.

I'm equally surprised about Spain, being a Schengen country you should be able to get in with any passport without a visa.

Israel is a pretty good example of a country that requires a visa for an official passport (and their consulate is sloooooooow to grant them!)

KLouis Sep 3, 2012 2:37 am


Originally Posted by KurtVH (Post 19240793)
You are quite wrong. There are numerous examples. As a government contractor in the U.S. I have been able to get UK citizens (vendors who are working on my company's equipment) onboard U.S. military installations. They are the only foreign citizens who have been allowed. Those not allowed include people from other NATO countries. Intelligence sharing between the two countries is also unique (at least for the U.S.); even Canada and Australia do not have as close a relationship (though those are very close as well). There are many other examples. The special relationship is far from imaginary.

Hint: Try to be well informed if you're going to make absolute pronouncements.

Hmmmm ;)

HowieG Sep 3, 2012 4:16 am

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Originally Posted by DCA-SEA
Mrs DCA-SEA and I are traveling to the UK via LHR at the end of the month. She is accompanying me on US government business. I'm traveling on my brand new red official (non diplomat) passport, and bringing my blue passport since we're staying for a couple of days after my work is done. She will have her regular blue passport.

Have any of you ever cleared immigration at LHR on an official US passport? Is there a separate line? If so, can she come with me through it? If she can't, can I go through the regular line with the red passport? Will the official line stamp both my passports, which I've heard I should have done since only part of my trip is "official."?

Thanks!

You're welcome.
I'm a bit worried about "US government business" will be conducted by whom officially not knowing where to go at LHR with an "offical red passport" along with an "unofficial" blue passport or so implied...

Michilander Sep 3, 2012 5:29 am


Originally Posted by SporkLover (Post 19241715)
South Korea giving expedited services wouldn't surprise me. With the exception of The existence of an Army Garrison in Seoul, they seem to love our presence there.

I'm equally surprised about Spain, being a Schengen country you should be able to get in with any passport without a visa.

Israel is a pretty good example of a country that requires a visa for an official passport (and their consulate is sloooooooow to grant them!)

A group of us (DoD employees) traveled to South Korea for a technical exchnge conference with their military. We were met as we came off the plane and escorted through immigration and customs. Yes, they seemed very pleased that we were there.

You're right about Israel. My one trip there was actually arranged by DoS, who also did the country clearance, and they told me to use my blue passport because it would greatly reduce the paperwork and for OPSEC.

hornedfrog Sep 3, 2012 4:47 pm

I would hope that that gets you invited to the "fast track" line. But, it might just mean that you get more questions.

kebosabi Sep 3, 2012 5:37 pm


Originally Posted by Steve M (Post 19236124)
I understand why diplomats may have special passports, but what is the purpose and benefit of an "official" non-diplomatic passport?

Say you have a special skill making widgets and the US government wants to hire your widget making skills on the behalf of the US government for something the UK (I dunno, maybe that widget has something important to do with making US-UK relations better or something).

In either case, since you are there on the behalf of the US government needing your widget skills, you are going to have to enter the UK on an "official passport" instead of a normal one. Basically it tells you that you are a contracted civilian working on behalf of US government business. A little bit different from a diplomatic passport because those are issued to diplomats (and their spouses and children) who already work for the US government traveling on US government business.

Simply stated:

Normal US blue passport: Any American traveler on non-government business
Red US official passport: An American civilian traveling on the behalf of the US government
Green US diplomatic passport: An American government worker traveling on the behalf of the US government

GUWonder Sep 3, 2012 6:47 pm

To have a US passport of the official type (distinct from ordinary or diplomatic type US passports), a person need not be a US Government (or government contractor) employee, but employees of the US Government are the biggest proportion of holders of such passports.

The OP shouldn't have any general problem of using the regular passport control lines when having a travel companion on an ordinary US passport. It is quite normal for many people in my family and friends circle.

kebosabi Sep 3, 2012 6:54 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 19246970)
To have a US passport of the official type (distinct from ordinary or diplomatic type US passports), a person need not be a US Government (or government contractor) employee, but employees of the US Government are the biggest proportion of holders of such passports.

I think it also has to do with purpose as well.

For example, if Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were to visit Japan on government business, then she would enter Japan on her official (or would it be diplomatic because she is the top US diplomat?) passport.

However, if she and Bill were to say go skiing in Nagano for their wedding anniversary or so and the trip to Japan were entirely personal, they would enter Japan presenting their own personal passports.


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