Using your City of Birth rather than the Country on Passport
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Yes, I born in the US and I born in Skokie, IL. I never have any problem at all. I never violated the immigration laws. I never was. I am very good person. I have US passport and I have to get renewal the passport a years ago when my old passport is expired.
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I think passports should not even have a place of birth field to begin with as I see it to be irrelevant.
Take the US passport as an example: Does this mean that if a US citizen is not born in the US is considered to be second class citizen?
In most countries, the country of citizenship has nothing to do with where you are born but on your parents citizenship at the time of your birth.
Note: Japanese passports list "place of domicile" which is not necessarily your place of birth. Swiss passports list "place of origin".
Take the US passport as an example: Does this mean that if a US citizen is not born in the US is considered to be second class citizen?
In most countries, the country of citizenship has nothing to do with where you are born but on your parents citizenship at the time of your birth.
Note: Japanese passports list "place of domicile" which is not necessarily your place of birth. Swiss passports list "place of origin".
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I think passports should not even have a place of birth field to begin with as I see it to be irrelevant.
Take the US passport as an example: Does this mean that if a US citizen is not born in the US is considered to be second class citizen?
In most countries, the country of citizenship has nothing to do with where you are born but on your parents citizenship at the time of your birth.
Note: Japanese passports list "place of domicile" which is not necessarily your place of birth. Swiss passports list "place of origin".
Take the US passport as an example: Does this mean that if a US citizen is not born in the US is considered to be second class citizen?
In most countries, the country of citizenship has nothing to do with where you are born but on your parents citizenship at the time of your birth.
Note: Japanese passports list "place of domicile" which is not necessarily your place of birth. Swiss passports list "place of origin".
This is because there is not only the ius sanguinae but also the ius terrae, as main identifier of nationality.
The place of domicile just means where your main domicile is. It might not even be in the country your passport is from.
The city of birth is listed in German passports, too. When it is a German passport and German city, it is assumed that this city is in Germany. So it will only say "Berlin" for example under birthplace. But what they mean is, of course, Berlin, Germany ... not any of the NINE Berlins in the USA.
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I think passports should not even have a place of birth field to begin with as I see it to be irrelevant.
Take the US passport as an example: Does this mean that if a US citizen is not born in the US is considered to be second class citizen?
In most countries, the country of citizenship has nothing to do with where you are born but on your parents citizenship at the time of your birth.
Note: Japanese passports list "place of domicile" which is not necessarily your place of birth. Swiss passports list "place of origin".
Take the US passport as an example: Does this mean that if a US citizen is not born in the US is considered to be second class citizen?
In most countries, the country of citizenship has nothing to do with where you are born but on your parents citizenship at the time of your birth.
Note: Japanese passports list "place of domicile" which is not necessarily your place of birth. Swiss passports list "place of origin".
Swedish passports list place of birth (and the field title is "place of birth" in three languages, SV/FR/EN); but in fact at least 20% of Swedish citizens born in Sweden have Swedish passports with an incorrect place of birth in them. The false information is recorded in the Swedish passports and (before that) the national (tax) register because Sweden uses a sort of parish-based locality system that uses the domicile locality of the child's mother as recorded in the national register as at the time of the child's birth. This and some asinine name rules are a continuing legacy of an anti-egalitarian system propped up by what was the (still-)state-backed national religion. [The proportion of ethnic majority Swedes with this issue in their passports is higher than the national average in Sweden, with foreign-born Swedish citizens not having this issue as regularly.]
This dynamic may involve some adjustments when State Department and DHS are dealing with US citizens and others born in Sweden.
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Tell me about it. I'm born in 'X Hel. Trefald' according to my passport. Try find that on a map.
For normal countries I've used the real place of birth when applying for visas but am not sure the DHS or whoever American official would approve of such a move.
For normal countries I've used the real place of birth when applying for visas but am not sure the DHS or whoever American official would approve of such a move.
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Unlike some other countries (Sweden included), the US Government is not so kind in accepting that favorable administrative decisions (made in good faith by US government employees) are not to be normally subjected to being rescinded years -- even decades later -- by the same or other US Government employees on any given matter even in the absence of being able to demonstrate fraud/corruption. [Stare decisis for administrative determinations doesn't exist in the US like it does in Sweden, which is a pity for reasons that will become increasingly apparent to more people over time.]
The way the USG deals with registering US citizens born in Sweden is to rely upon the hospital addresses for the place of birth even as it means ignoring what is listed in the government (Skatteverket Personbevis)) paperwork. However, when it comes to US passports for such persons, the practice is most frequently that of just listing the country of birth. So there are a lot more US citizens with a place of birth in Danderyd whose US passports list place of birth as Sweden; while the US CRBA (sort of a USG birth certificate for births abroad) lists Danderyd; while Sweden's government has the place of birth as who knows what -- sometimes even Kiruna for such births!
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I used to work with a co-worker several years ago whose US Passport said “Okinawa, USCAR” or that sort.
He was born in Okinawa a year before it was transferred back to Japan. His birth was recorded by the United States Civil Administration of the Ryukyu Islands.
He was born in Okinawa a year before it was transferred back to Japan. His birth was recorded by the United States Civil Administration of the Ryukyu Islands.
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The city of birth is listed in German passports, too. When it is a German passport and German city, it is assumed that this city is in Germany. So it will only say "Berlin" for example under birthplace. But what they mean is, of course, Berlin, Germany ... not any of the NINE Berlins in the USA.
What has always intrigued me (and I'm doing this from memory, so I could be wrong, but I don't think so) is that my son's US passport lists his place of birth as MASSACHUSETTS, U.S.A. and his British passport lists it as FRAMINGHAM. As if any Brit knows where Framingham is.
(Actually, for a while in 1997, most Brits had heard of Framingham, but that's another story. I remember wondering where it was and looking it up on a map, never thinking that three years later I'd be living in a neighboring town.)
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Canada allows omitting place of birth listing on the passports:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...ace-birth.html
Austria did too, but Im not sure if it still does. Austria still allows for passport applicants academics degrees (from EU/Schengen educational institutions) to be noted in Austrian passports if the applicant wants it.
Australia may have some place of birth omission history too, but I dont know about that and I have never seen that. I dont see as many Australian passports.
The pronunciation changes in the US took place in an era where there were a couple of US internment camps for German-Americans and people who grew up knowing German became afraid of speaking German publicly. By the Second World War, the German-American population was so large that most German-Americans werent concerned that they or someone they knew would end up treated by the USG the same way as Japanese-Americans were during WW2.
Some countries list a misleading place of birth, as the place of birth field is used to list the city where the child was first considered to be domiciled/reside with the location of the birth hospital/delivery being ignored by the national authorities when it comes to what shows up in the passport.
Older US passports listed US city of birth too. But then it mainly became US state of birth and country in that field for people born in the US. For people born outside of the US, its a bit different history in the US passports.
Omitting it from US passports had been looked at previously in the Reagan-Bush years:
https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=307
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...ace-birth.html
Austria did too, but Im not sure if it still does. Austria still allows for passport applicants academics degrees (from EU/Schengen educational institutions) to be noted in Austrian passports if the applicant wants it.
Australia may have some place of birth omission history too, but I dont know about that and I have never seen that. I dont see as many Australian passports.
As a resident of one of those Berlins (probably the smallest) I'm amused. (Fun fact: during World War I, we decided to declare we were different from the enemy capital... by changing the pronunciation of the town's name. It's BER-lin, not Ber-LIN.)
What has always intrigued me (and I'm doing this from memory, so I could be wrong, but I don't think so) is that my son's US passport lists his place of birth as MASSACHUSETTS, U.S.A. and his British passport lists it as FRAMINGHAM. As if any Brit knows where Framingham is.
(Actually, for a while in 1997, most Brits had heard of Framingham, but that's another story. I remember wondering where it was and looking it up on a map, never thinking that three years later I'd be living in a neighboring town.)
What has always intrigued me (and I'm doing this from memory, so I could be wrong, but I don't think so) is that my son's US passport lists his place of birth as MASSACHUSETTS, U.S.A. and his British passport lists it as FRAMINGHAM. As if any Brit knows where Framingham is.
(Actually, for a while in 1997, most Brits had heard of Framingham, but that's another story. I remember wondering where it was and looking it up on a map, never thinking that three years later I'd be living in a neighboring town.)
Some countries list a misleading place of birth, as the place of birth field is used to list the city where the child was first considered to be domiciled/reside with the location of the birth hospital/delivery being ignored by the national authorities when it comes to what shows up in the passport.
Older US passports listed US city of birth too. But then it mainly became US state of birth and country in that field for people born in the US. For people born outside of the US, its a bit different history in the US passports.
Omitting it from US passports had been looked at previously in the Reagan-Bush years:
https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=307
Last edited by GUWonder; Aug 2, 2019 at 2:57 pm
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FWIW I checked my oldest US passport, issued in 1976 on the special Bicentennial paper, and it lists place of birth as San Francisco, USA. At least one or two others issued since then do, too. I know I never specified how I wanted my place of birth listed.