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I agree with the notion that what constitutes rudeness is quite relative.
For instance, in North America, we are a bit obsessed with keeping up a positive front. Whereas in Eastern Europe people tend to be a lot more blunt. For example, if one is wearing an ugly shirt, people in NA will tiptoe around the issue while a Russian acquaintance might simply remark that your shirt is ugly. It isn't meant to be a personal attack - if anything, it's a helpful reminder to reconsider your sartorial choices. But I'd wager that the average North American would take this as a rude and gratuitous attack when really it is nothing of the sort. Much as cultural guidebooks to Asia always hammer home the importance of 'face' in some Asian cultures, North Americans are really keen on being superficially "polite". However, people who don't subscribe to that line of thinking aren't necessarily rude. |
Originally Posted by tfar
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This brings up an interesting etiquette question. If something like the above happens, which language should the two discussants continue their conversation in? The language of the guest or the language of the host?
I'd think it would come down to continuing in whichever language gives the most fluent results, the biggest common denominator so to speak. But is there a rule? I haven't heard about one. Till In Berlin, I will slip back to English since I'm not nearly as fluent in German as French. I don't think there is any problem whatsoever speaking the "Mother Tongue" of the Country you are in, if you are confident and not struggling. Whatever you are comfortable with. |
Originally Posted by RobbieRunner
(Post 18385840)
In France or Montreal, I stay with French, if I detect a French accent coming back to me. My fluency is fine, so I don't have to struggle to speak French. If I don't detect a French accent coming my way, I'll switch to English. Sometimes back and forth as a previous poster noted. Whatever works for easy and enjoyable conversation. I should add, I don't really "Think" about this much. It's kind of "Automatic".
In Berlin, I will slip back to English since I'm not nearly as fluent in German as French. I don't think there is any problem whatsoever speaking the "Mother Tongue" of the Country you are in, if you are confident and not struggling. Whatever you are comfortable with. |
Originally Posted by Ducati
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This "study" is totally bogus. Another English-centric piece of nonsense. First of all, the respondents were mostly from people who probably only speak English and don't speak a second language (60% from Ireland & UK plus Australia & USA). If you have these English-only speaking tourists who visit "foreign" countries and expect those people to speak English, then the French, Russians, and Germans have every right to be "rude" to them. Ever try speaking French to a New York City subway attendant? Or, how about speaking German to order dinner in Manhattan?
If you want to visit a foreign country, at least attempt to learn a few phrases in the their language. It's not hard. To the credit of the study, even though probably taken from an English speaking audience, they did put the UK near the top on the rudeness scale. |
Originally Posted by emma69
(Post 18386788)
What really confuses everything is where you find a common language that is neither of your mother tongues, nor the language of the country you are in! I've spoken to Italians in German and Spanish in French!
I've only done this twice. Once in SouthBeach, FL. Spoke to a Spanish guy in German. He didn't speak English, I don't speak Spanish (wish I did). We both spoke German as best we could, but it worked. Once in Germany. Spoke French with an Italian. My Italian is as poor as my Spanish. :( If I had the time, I'd learn Spanish and Italian. Two languages I'd love to master. I'm stuck with English, French, and German. Not bad, but not as handy as Spanish, IMO. |
Originally Posted by emma69
(Post 18386788)
What really confuses everything is where you find a common language that is neither of your mother tongues, nor the language of the country you are in! I've spoken to Italians in German and Spanish in French!
To topic, I know the French have a reputation for being rude but I didn't find that to be the case at all. Not in Paris or in the south. I managed to learn some basic words while I was there and I would start with them when asking for help. People always seemed more than happy to help a lost tourist. |
Originally Posted by hedur
(Post 18389443)
To topic, I know the French have a reputation for being rude but I didn't find that to be the case at all. Not in Paris or in the south. I managed to learn some basic words while I was there and I would start with them when asking for help. People always seemed more than happy to help a lost tourist.
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Originally Posted by mapleg
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Well the article is written in English on an English speaking website and we are discussing it today in English. That does not make it "bogus"
To the credit of the study, even though probably taken from an English speaking audience, they did put the UK near the top on the rudeness scale. |
Originally Posted by emma69
(Post 18386788)
I've spoken to Italians in German and Spanish in French!
I did not, however, get her number. In case anyone was wondering. |
The rudest people I have ever encountered are, without doubt, Noo Yawkers.
Before any American rush to protest that assertion, try entering the United States as an alien via any US international airport. If that is not enough, try walking along a Manhattan sidewalk. Someone is pretty sure to bump into one, broadside, and then complain that one did not get out of his/her way. On the other hand, New Yorkers can be some of the kindest and the most generous people on the face of the planet. Go figure. |
The rudest place in the world is surely Beijing. The rest of China apart from Hong Kong and Shanghai is pretty bad too. Parocialism seems to be the primary cause.
Miami is pretty bad too. Perhaps it's what happens when machismo is mixed with ostentatious wealth? It's very noticable that the moment you cross from Dade county into Broward county people suddenly become much more polite. |
Originally Posted by Moineau
(Post 18384033)
I think you are right, whichever language gives the most fluent results. I've had lively discussions with friends when, later on, I've realised that we've just been constantly switching back and forth between languages. A couple of glasses of wine makes the transition easier.
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Originally Posted by kimberlyrose
(Post 18381269)
I admittedly wasn't there long, but I really didn't find that people in Paris were rude at all, at least no more so than any other city.
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I thought New Yorkers were fine. However after i'd been there a couple of days my New York style road crossing skills got me shouted at - by another Brit! So maybe i'm not the best judge of politeness
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If you would like to try for rudeness and rude people try a european cruise with about 3000 very nice people from all over the world(at the start) after 1 week everyone will say its the Germans that are rude..and the English, and the French, and the Chinese, and all them other people from all over,even the folk from the good old USA...who said all this the nice folk from Canada..ahaaa you just know folk from Canada are never rude..and as for the Irish they just don`t have time to be rude thats why they always got a big smile...
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