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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 18191972)
Assuming he's a USA citizen, he can do the transit without visa at PEK for IIRC 48 hours en route to a third country, not on the way back to USA.
Originally Posted by Doppy
(Post 18190859)
Another option is to make use of the 24 transit visa on arrival in Beijing, which would at least allow him to make the wedding, even though he'd have to get back on a plane soon thereafter.
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Originally Posted by JY1024
(Post 18192516)
To help preserve your privacy, we've removed the record locator you posted.
I think comments above advocating objectivity are sage--and believe that it's fair to also judge whether one person's sense of "fair" is a sentiment generally accepted by reasonable and prudent people. Lest we stir up the pot of controversy without fully understanding the context, I'm going to encourage my friend to comment here directly. Thanks to everyone for your consideration of this matter - I sincerely appreciate it. |
Originally Posted by hyderago
(Post 18192664)
This option allows you to remain in the airport for 24 hours, not leave it.
Originally Posted by PetePDX
I'm friends with both rkoerner and the person in question.
As for compensation, I suggest the traveler ask the airline whether it was fined for transporting him to China without the required documentation and, if so, offer to split the fine with the airline, since both parties share responsibility for the fine - the pax for attempting to travel/enter China without a visa and the airline staff for not checking. A quick search on Google finds that the fine to the airline could be anywhere from 500CNY to 12000CNY (approx. $80-$1900). I hope he at least enjoyed Tokyo. Great city ^ |
Originally Posted by Doppy
(Post 18193755)
Originally Posted by PetePDX
(Post 18192987)
I'm friends with both rkoerner and the person in question.
Originally Posted by Doppy
(Post 18193755)
...ask the airline whether it was fined... , if so, offer to split the fine with the airline, since both parties share responsibility for the fine
Originally Posted by rkoerner82
(Post 18190506)
My boyfried just spent about 30 hours on a plane, 12 hours in detention, and lost a lot of money and miles spent on travel arrangements <snip>
Looking for recommendations on what to do to get the airline to cover last minute trip back or at least cover the costs he incurred because of this... I don't think OP nor the boyfriend is looking to cough out more cash to the airline for this incident at this point. If this happened to me, I would just cross my finger and pray the airline to play nice to not hunt me down to cover the fine, if any. If talking to the airline, I would play the sympathy card and hope the airline would somehow show me some nice gestures, which I am not entitled to. YMMV. |
It's actually quite surprising that this incident happened in the first place. Airlines are generally quite strict about making sure passengers have the appropriate visa before letting the passengers board the plane. This is because it is the airline, not the passenger, that is fined if the passenger is found to not be able to enter the destination.
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PRC doesn't allow visa on arrival for americans what so ever. to the end it is always the passenger's responsibility to have all travel documents in place. as PEK doesn't offer TWOV facility, he could not continue on with his journay anyways. DL did the right thing to deport him to NRT. If he wants to keep going, he has to purchase a ticket from NRT to HKG out of pocket.
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Originally Posted by hansyuwiwb
(Post 18194521)
PRC doesn't allow visa on arrival for americans what so ever.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/china...e-transit.html |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 18191972)
Assuming he's a USA citizen, he can do the transit without visa at PEK for IIRC 48 hours en route to a third country, not on the way back to USA. In the past, Hong Kong was where one could get a fast visa for mainland China and I assume this is still true. Hong Kong does not require a visa, even upon arrival.
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Originally Posted by rkoerner82
(Post 18190740)
If you are not suppose to trust the staff...maybe they should not tell you the visa info. I know with cpas and in real-estate you are not suppose to advise clients on areas outside your expertise.....if you do there are pretty stiff penalties.
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Originally Posted by hyderago
(Post 18194423)
It's actually quite surprising that this incident happened in the first place. Airlines are generally quite strict about making sure passengers have the appropriate visa before letting the passengers board the plane. This is because it is the airline, not the passenger, that is fined if the passenger is found to not be able to enter the destination.
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Originally Posted by hyderago
(Post 18192664)
The 48 hours rule is only for PVG, not any other airport in the country. It is 24 hours for PEK. Further, while you may leave the airport in Shanghai, you cannot do so in Beijing.
This option allows you to remain in the airport for 24 hours, not leave it. |
old the airline responsible for verifying that pax have correct documentation, etc. b
Edit: Sorry about the title. Weird mistake on my part.
Originally Posted by jsmith50
(Post 18192648)
Terrible situation OP but unfortunately, he has no legal recourse. Airlines are not travel agents nor do they represent the state department. Visa requirements can be tricky and may or may not apply depending on the travellers nationality and the destination. For this reason, the airline can't keep a comprehensive list of all possible scenarios to ensure that each traveller has the appropriate documentation.
This is not to say that I disagree with the following:
Originally Posted by jsmith50
(Post 18192648)
As others have noted, the airline owes him nothing. They are simply a vehicle for providing transit from point A to point B. It is ultimately up to the traveller to ensure they meet all of the entry requirements for a country.
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Thanks for all the posts. For the most part,...i will take my friend's advise and let by boyfriend post the actual details once he recovers from jet lag.(i was not traveling with him and only have the short emails he sent between flights)..however, i do want to throw this thought out there...
i understand that legally the airline may have no responsibility to him as the traveler. However, in most businesses, if one of their employees...in a position where the are clearly representing the company...tells a customer something related to the product or service they provide that then causes the customer harm...the company usually will do something to try to make up for it...whether that is financial, an apology...or help sorting it out (and i don't know as of this point how much help was provided) The international award booking agent is clearly in a position to understand the requirements for visas better then a casual traveler (although i completely understand that memorizing this for every county would be impossible)...and i would not be surprised by a "please check our site for the latest visa requirements response". However, i am still shocked by a blatantly incorrect answer that did not come with a caveat to double check the info provided. |
Originally Posted by rkoerner82
(Post 18196881)
The international award booking agent is clearly in a position to understand the requirements for visas better then a casual traveler
This information is *easily* available. http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...y_requirements http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/ywz...ap/t900567.htm http://pss.united.com/web/en-US/apps...DA3F418FB4EFD8 <30 seconds on Google and I've never even been to China. This information isn't hard to find. While the Alaska agent shouldn't have said what they said and Delta shouldn't have allowed him on the flight, it's still the responsibility of the *passenger* to make sure they can enter their destination country. |
Originally Posted by rkoerner82
(Post 18196881)
i understand that legally the airline may have no responsibility to him as the traveler. However, in most businesses, if one of their employees...in a position where the are clearly representing the company...tells a customer something related to the product or service they provide that then causes the customer harm...the company usually will do something to try to make up for it...whether that is financial, an apology...or help sorting it out (and i don't know as of this point how much help was provided)
The international award booking agent is clearly in a position to understand the requirements for visas better then a casual traveler (although i completely understand that memorizing this for every county would be impossible)...and i would not be surprised by a "please check our site for the latest visa requirements response". However, i am still shocked by a blatantly incorrect answer that did not come with a caveat to double check the info provided. But wanting a caveat to double check? Cmon now, he's goi g half way across the world and he didn'teven bother googling "visiting china" to see what to expect in general (culture, etiquette, things tat will f*ck you up, etc)? If he had, btw, 1st google suggestion is "visiting china visa" and second result is all about visas... |
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