Originally Posted by strickerj
(Post 36105670)
1.Prior to the widespread adoption of radar systems, what were the primary navigational aids used by pilots for long-distance flights during the early 20th century? I was thinking LORAN (long-range navigation) until the part about the "early 20th century", as LORAN wasn't developed until WWII. But I can't really think of anything prior to that other than celestial navigation.
Interestingly, you and I thought alike about question 1. Well, my thinking was also LORAN before simply giving up, whereas continued on with "celestial navigation". It turns out, "celestial navigation" WAS the answer that my questioner had in mind. In part because I was curious and in part because I felt #1 was a bit of trick question, I pressed on a little more and the questioner defended its answer in a fairly compelling manner, but it conceded that several precursors to ILS systems debuted in 1911 (radio compass), 1913 (gyroscopic compass), and 1918 (radio direction finder). 10. What was the first commercial aircraft to be entirely computer-designed, and which airline was the launch customer for this aircraft? I believe that was the 777, whose launch customer was United.
Originally Posted by Gardyloo
(Post 36105857)
2. Prior to the introduction of the Boeing 747, what was the largest commercial airliner in terms of passenger capacity? I was thinking the IL-62 at 198 pax capacity.
Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 36106271)
some stretch DC-8s were configured for 200+ in high-density or charter configuration (Icelandair, Capitol, Airlift International, Overseas National, Seaboard World, Transamerica, and the like)
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1. Prior to the widespread adoption of radar systems, what were the primary navigational aids used by pilots for long-distance flights during the early 20th century?
celestial navigation CORRECT 2. Prior to the introduction of the Boeing 747, what was the largest commercial airliner in terms of passenger capacity? DC8 CORRECT for now, but this is still open for discussion/debate. 3. During World War II, this airline played a significant role in ferrying military aircraft and personnel. What was the name of the airline, and which routes did it operate during this period? 4. Which airline was the first to introduce in-flight entertainment systems on its aircraft, and what year did it occur? 5. The "Golden Age of Aviation" is often associated with a period between the two World Wars. Name two famous aircraft from this era and the airlines that operated them. 6. What was the significance of the 1930 Air Mail Act in the United States, and how did it impact the development of commercial aviation? 7. Which airline introduced the first-ever scheduled transatlantic jet service in 1958, and which aircraft did it utilize for this service? 8. In the 1980s, this airline made headlines by becoming the launch customer for a groundbreaking aircraft known for its advanced composite materials and efficient design. Name the airline and the aircraft. 9. Which airline was the launch customer for the Boeing 727, and what was the aircraft's maiden flight route? 10. What was the first commercial aircraft to be entirely computer-designed, and which airline was the launch customer for this aircraft? earlier than 777 11. Until I was around 12 (so the rough time frame is1975-87), my mom and I went from Boston to Pittsburgh almost every year. We flew BOS-PIT nonstop on 3 different airlines during that time frame, though 2 of them were effectively the same airline (i.e. just a rebrand or a perhaps a merger + rebranding) on 4 different a/c types. One of these airlines also operated flights between BOS and PIT that stopped in 2 different places (XXX and YYY), which were each close to “great circle” compliance, but if you tried to hit both on the same flight, you’d be zigzagging. A fourth airline entered our orbit on the same route in the early 80s, but didn’t offer through fares (e.g. BOS-ZZZ and ZZZ-PIT were sold separately, and my mom always paid in cash at the beginning of each segment, but there must have been other sales channels too). This airline was folded into airline #5, which did offer through fares, but everything else remained the same (i.e. airplanes and XXX) until the end of the decade. So, I’m looking for 5 airlines, 4 a/c types (subtypes might have been applicable in 2 cases, but I don’t know them), and XXX/YYY/ZZZ. 12. Also during the same period, I flew between HYA and BOS every other weekend until my parents deemed I was old enough to take the bus instead. These flights were on 2 different airlines onboard 7 different a/c types. Several of the a/c types were common between these airlines, but in the case of the HYA-BOS route at the time, we’re looking for a 2 + 5 split. Please identify the airlines and the airplanes. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36107266)
2. Prior to the introduction of the Boeing 747, what was the largest commercial airliner in terms of passenger capacity? DC8 CORRECT for now, but this is still open for discussion/debate. Of course, I cannot find this particular ad (it probably can be found in an AW&ST issue from the late 1960's) but I did find these ads.... https://www.departedflights.com/MDgenialgiant67.html https://www.departedflights.com/MDbigone67.html |
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" ... (DC-8-61) typically carried 180–220 passengers in mixed-class configuration, or 259 in high-density configuration.[25]"
Wikipedia link the Wikipedia page for the 707 has an interesting paragraph on "Undeveloped Variants" that describes how Boeing was looking at further stretches of the -320C (which indeed maxed out at 219 seats) that would accommodate 260-280 passengers -- i.e., direct competition for the Stretch 8 |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36108408)
11. Until I was around 12 (so the rough time frame is1975-87), my mom and I went from Boston to Pittsburgh almost every year. We flew BOS-PIT nonstop on 3 different airlines during that time frame, though 2 of them were effectively the same airline (i.e. just a rebrand or a perhaps a merger + rebranding) on 4 different a/c types. One of these airlines also operated flights between BOS and PIT that stopped in 2 different places (XXX and YYY), which were each close to “great circle” compliance, but if you tried to hit both on the same flight, you’d be zigzagging. A fourth airline entered our orbit on the same route in the early 80s, but didn’t offer through fares (e.g. BOS-ZZZ and ZZZ-PIT were sold separately, and my mom always paid in cash at the beginning of each segment, but there must have been other sales channels too). This airline was folded into airline #5, which did offer through fares, but everything else remained the same (i.e. airplanes and XXX) until the end of the decade. So, I’m looking for 5 airlines, 4 a/c types (subtypes might have been applicable in 2 cases, but I don’t know them), and XXX/YYY/ZZZ.
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2. After a little bit of research, I've found out the following:
CL-44J entered service in 1966 with a capacity of 189 (billed as the largest trans-Atlantic plane at the time) DC8-61 entered service in 1966 with a capacity of (up to) 220 IL-62 entered service in 1967 with a capacity of 198 747 entered service in 1969 with a capacity of 366 So the stretch DC-8 it is! |
11. Until I was around 12 (so the rough time frame is1975-87), my mom and I went from Boston to Pittsburgh almost every year. We flew BOS-PIT nonstop on 3 different airlines during that time frame, though 2 of them were effectively the same airline (i.e. just a rebrand or a perhaps a merger + rebranding) on 4 different a/c types. One of these airlines also operated flights between BOS and PIT that stopped in 2 different places (XXX and YYY), which were each close to “great circle” compliance, but if you tried to hit both on the same flight, you’d be zigzagging. A fourth airline entered our orbit on the same route in the early 80s, but didn’t offer through fares (e.g. BOS-ZZZ and ZZZ-PIT were sold separately, and my mom always paid in cash at the beginning of each segment, but there must have been other sales channels too). This airline was folded into airline #5, which did offer through fares, but everything else remained the same (i.e. airplanes and XXX) until the end of the decade. So, I’m looking for 5 airlines, 4 a/c types (subtypes might have been applicable in 2 cases, but I don’t know them), and XXX/YYY/ZZZ.
Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 36109451)
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TW, AL, US, PE, CO Correct, and well described Airplanes My first flight on a jet was onboard a TW 727-200 on this route (I might not have even been two yet, but I do remember the experience); I know this A/C type for sure because my mom saved a safety card from it and it's in one of my scrapbooks. We took TWA a few more times before they exited the market, and I think those were also on 727s, but DC9s were possible...no 707s for me, I would have remembered that, for sure. Most of the AL and US flights were on DC9-30s. The other A/C type was not a BAC111, but now I'm feeling guilty about this part of the question because I'm pretty sure those things did ply at least 1 of the 5 relevant sectors. The A/C type I flew was quite similar to that one, though, but it had distinctive big oval windows. You nailed the PE and CO phase correctly, yes 737s of both types, including some with the long engine covers, and some 727-200s (a repeat from TW so I'm not bolding it) While I'm inclined to score this section as correct because BAC111s must have flown some of the AL/US routes, please see if you can come of with the other plane I mentioned. Airports in the Middle Of course EWR was the correct choice, given that Newark was ground zero for PE. My Great Circle hint turned out to be a woefully misleading now that I look at the map, for which I humbly apologize (embarrassed emoji). Anyway, let me revise that to "continuous east-west progress in both cases". And, I guess it would have helped if I mentioned that both were true hubs at the time, though my mom focused on direct flights with fairly short ground times. -need two airports between BOS and PIT that were AL/US hubs in order to close out this section I'm sorry again for the confusion. I promise that question 12 is much more straight forward. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36110377)
Airlines
TW, AL, US, PE, CO Correct, and well described Airplanes … Most of the AL and US flights were on DC9-30s. The other A/C type was not a BAC111, but now I'm feeling guilty about this part of the question because I'm pretty sure those things did ply at least 1 of the 5 relevant sectors. The A/C type I flew was quite similar to that one, though, but it had distinctive big oval windows. … While I'm inclined to score this section as correct because BAC111s must have flown some of the AL/US routes, please see if you can come of with the other plane I mentioned.
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36110377)
Airports in the Middle
Of course EWR was the correct choice, given that Newark was ground zero for PE. … let me revise that to "continuous east-west progress in both cases". And, I guess it would have helped if I mentioned that both were true hubs at the time, though my mom focused on direct flights with fairly short ground times. -need two airports between BOS and PIT that were AL/US hubs in order to close out this section |
10. What was the first commercial aircraft to be entirely computer-designed, and which airline was the launch customer for this aircraft? earlier than 777 |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36110377)
11. Until I was around 12 (so the rough time frame is1975-87), my mom and I went from Boston to Pittsburgh almost every year. We flew BOS-PIT nonstop on 3 different airlines during that time frame, though 2 of them were effectively the same airline (i.e. just a rebrand or a perhaps a merger + rebranding) on 4 different a/c types. One of these airlines also operated flights between BOS and PIT that stopped in 2 different places (XXX and YYY), which were each close to “great circle” compliance, but if you tried to hit both on the same flight, you’d be zigzagging. A fourth airline entered our orbit on the same route in the early 80s, but didn’t offer through fares (e.g. BOS-ZZZ and ZZZ-PIT were sold separately, and my mom always paid in cash at the beginning of each segment, but there must have been other sales channels too). This airline was folded into airline #5, which did offer through fares, but everything else remained the same (i.e. airplanes and XXX) until the end of the decade. So, I’m looking for 5 airlines, 4 a/c types (subtypes might have been applicable in 2 cases, but I don’t know them), and XXX/YYY/ZZZ.
Airlines TW, AL, US, PE, CO Correct, and well described Airplanes My first flight on a jet was onboard a TW 727-200 on this route (I might not have even been two yet, but I do remember the experience); I know this A/C type for sure because my mom saved a safety card from it and it's in one of my scrapbooks. We took TWA a few more times before they exited the market, and I think those were also on 727s, but DC9s were possible...no 707s for me, I would have remembered that, for sure. Most of the AL and US flights were on DC9-30s. The other A/C type was not a BAC111, but now I'm feeling guilty about this part of the question because I'm pretty sure those things did ply at least 1 of the 5 relevant sectors. The A/C type I flew was quite similar to that one, though, but it had distinctive big oval windows. You nailed the PE and CO phase correctly, yes 737s of both types, including some with the long engine covers, and some 727-200s (a repeat from TW so I'm not bolding it) While I'm inclined to score this section as correct because BAC111s must have flown some of the AL/US routes, please see if you can come of with the other plane I mentioned. Airports in the Middle Of course EWR was the correct choice, given that Newark was ground zero for PE. My Great Circle hint turned out to be a woefully misleading now that I look at the map, for which I humbly apologize (embarrassed emoji). Anyway, let me revise that to "continuous east-west progress in both cases". And, I guess it would have helped if I mentioned that both were true hubs at the time, though my mom focused on direct flights with fairly short ground times. -need two airports between BOS and PIT that were AL/US hubs in order to close out this section I'm sorry again for the confusion. I promise that question 12 is much more straight forward.
Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 36110485)
the only other jet with this distinctive feature was the Fokker F.28; however, AL/US didn’t start flying them until after the Piedmont merger in summer 1989 (PI had inherited the jets when they absorbed Empire and their Syracuse/SYR hub ~1987)
Airports the other AL/US hubs in the 1975-1982 timeframe were Philadelphia/PHL and Washington National/DCA; that said, I don’t recall a lot of thru services touching both One of your two guesses is correct, while the other one is incorrect. The second correct airport isn't described as a hub on the Allegheny or USAir wiki pages (I'm not sure the hub concept was fully developed then), but it did have service to about 10 different cities timed with connections in mind. |
Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
(Post 36112124)
10. What was the first commercial aircraft to be entirely computer-designed, and which airline was the launch customer for this aircraft?
earlier than 777 Take a wild guess of Dassault using in-house systems (what would evolve in CATIA) to design the Mercure, going to Air Inter and Air Inter only. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36112393)
Airports
jrl767: the other AL/US hubs in the 1975-1982 timeframe were Philadelphia/ PHL and Washington National/DCA; that said, I don’t recall a lot of thru services touching both One of your two guesses is correct, while the other one is incorrect.The second correct airport isn't described as a hub on the Allegheny or USAir wiki pages (I'm not sure the hub concept was fully developed then), but it did have service to about 10 different cities timed with connections in mind. |
11. Until I was around 12 (so the rough time frame is1975-87), my mom and I went from Boston to Pittsburgh almost every year. We flew BOS-PIT nonstop on 3 different airlines during that time frame, though 2 of them were effectively the same airline (i.e. just a rebrand or a perhaps a merger + rebranding) on 4 different a/c types. One of these airlines also operated flights between BOS and PIT that stopped in 2 different places (XXX and YYY), which were each close to “great circle” compliance, but if you tried to hit both on the same flight, you’d be zigzagging. A fourth airline entered our orbit on the same route in the early 80s, but didn’t offer through fares (e.g. BOS-ZZZ and ZZZ-PIT were sold separately, and my mom always paid in cash at the beginning of each segment, but there must have been other sales channels too). This airline was folded into airline #5, which did offer through fares, but everything else remained the same (i.e. airplanes and XXX) until the end of the decade. So, I’m looking for 5 airlines, 4 a/c types (subtypes might have been applicable in 2 cases, but I don’t know them), and XXX/YYY/ZZZ.
Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 36115542)
PHL definitely functioned as a hub for AL/US on the basis of volume; given its latitude being close to that of PIT, and in keeping with the “sine curve” paradigm I’ll guess that Buffalo/BUF (as the largest of the three upstate New York airports approximately at the latitude of BOS with a substantial AL/US presence) was the other
Incidentally, this 1975 AL route map suggests that ROC could have been a viable connecting point as well, but I know that none of the flights I was on passed through there. I also know that my mom would have preferred ROC to BUF, all other things being equal, because she had previously lived in Rochester for a few years and was familiar with the airport. So, I'm guessing that if BOS-ROC-PIT was offered, there might not have been any through flights and/or it was more expensive than the BUF routing. The reason we started doing those one-stop flights in the first place is because they were cheaper than nonstops (even back then). https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...6e17cae8fd.jpg |
Originally posted in #29096
1. Prior to the widespread adoption of radar systems, what were the primary navigational aids used by pilots for long-distance flights during the early 20th century? ANSWERED (celestial navigation) 2. Prior to the introduction of the Boeing 747, what was the largest commercial airliner in terms of passenger capacity? ANSWERED (DC8) 3. During World War II, this airline played a significant role in ferrying military aircraft and personnel. What was the name of the airline, and which routes did it operate during this period? 4. Which airline was the first to introduce in-flight entertainment systems on its aircraft, and what year did it occur? 5. The "Golden Age of Aviation" is often associated with a period between the two World Wars. Name two famous aircraft from this era and the airlines that operated them. 6. What was the significance of the 1930 Air Mail Act in the United States, and how did it impact the development of commercial aviation? 7. Which airline introduced the first-ever scheduled transatlantic jet service in 1958, and which aircraft did it utilize for this service? 8. In the 1980s, this airline made headlines by becoming the launch customer for a groundbreaking aircraft known for its advanced composite materials and efficient design. Name the airline and the aircraft. 9. Which airline was the launch customer for the Boeing 727, and what was the aircraft's maiden flight route? 10. What was the first commercial aircraft to be entirely computer-designed, and which airline was the launch customer for this aircraft? The desired answer is not the 777 or the Mercure (Dassault). It was a few years behind the latter. 11. Until I was around 12 (so the rough time frame is1975-87), my mom and I went from Boston to Pittsburgh almost every year. We flew BOS-PIT nonstop on 3 different airlines during that time frame, though 2 of them were effectively the same airline (i.e. just a rebrand or a perhaps a merger + rebranding) on 4 different a/c types. One of these airlines also operated flights between BOS and PIT that stopped in 2 different places (XXX and YYY), which were each close to “great circle” compliance, but if you tried to hit both on the same flight, you’d be zigzagging. A fourth airline entered our orbit on the same route in the early 80s, but didn’t offer through fares (e.g. BOS-ZZZ and ZZZ-PIT were sold separately, and my mom always paid in cash at the beginning of each segment, but there must have been other sales channels too). This airline was folded into airline #5, which did offer through fares, but everything else remained the same (i.e. airplanes and XXX) until the end of the decade. So, I’m looking for 5 airlines, 4 a/c types (subtypes might have been applicable in 2 cases, but I don’t know them), and XXX/YYY/ZZZ. ANSWERED (refer to posts 29111-14) 12. Also during the same period, I flew between HYA and BOS every other weekend until my parents deemed I was old enough to take the bus instead. These flights were on 2 different airlines onboard 7 different a/c types. Several of the a/c types were common between these airlines, but in the case of the HYA-BOS route at the time, we’re looking for a 2 + 5 split. Please identify the airlines and the airplanes. |
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