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Seat 2A Jan 22, 2012 12:45 pm

Good to know. I never got a chance to fly National out of JFK though I looked longingly at those Florida bound standard and stretch DC-8s. National's orange and yellow Sun King livery just looked warm and inviting. Unfortunately, I only logged two flights on National, both intra-state California.

Here's a couple more questions:

1.) Which airline offered scheduled jet service into Naples, Florida?

2.) Before the advent of regional jets, which two airlines offered jet service into Waterloo, Iowa?

3.) Which airline operated 707-320s between Kansas City and Minneapolis?

4.) What jet equipped airline was based out of Fresno, CA in the mid-90s?

5.) What jet equipped airline was based out of Terre Haute, IN during the early 1980s?

6.) What Illinois based airline operated BAC-111s during the early 1980s?

7.) What three airlines (two scheduled, one charter) named after U.S. cities also operated jets?

jlemon Jan 22, 2012 1:20 pm

Thanks to Seat 2A for your answers and clarifications as well as your additional questions. Much appreciated!

I was not sure about the details concerning Allegheny buying used BAC One-Eleven twinjets in addition to the aircraft they had received via their acquisition of Mohawk. I did suspect Braniff but did not know about Aloha.

As for United and their operation of the stretched super DC-8 (D8S) into Fresno (FAT), you are correct, of course. UA also operated the D8S on the following routings: FAT-DEN-ORD and PIT-ORD-DEN-FAT. I believe the D8S was the largest passenger aircraft ever to serve FAT on a scheduled basis.

And while we're at it, how about some additional questions?

1) What was the series designation of the short fuselage DC-9 model operated by Air West (which was subsequently renamed Hughes Air West)?

2) What three airlines merged to form Air West? And of these three air carriers, which airline already operated the B727-100?

3) At one point, many airlines operated flights which featured multiple stops. Examples of such flights appear above, specifically with regard the WA B737-200 service from PSP to MSP and the RW DC9/D9S flights between SEA and SFO and LAX and SEA. Such flights have been referred to as "milk runs". Here are several other examples of such flights with multiple stops. Identify the airlines that operated these routings and the type of aircraft used:

A) DEN-CYS-CPR-SHR-BIL

B) JFK-DCA-ORF-CHS-JAX-TLH-PFN-PNS-MOB-MSY-IAH

C) JFK-BNA-MEM-LIT-FSM-TUL-OKC-DFW

D) ORD-MSP-JMS-BIS-BIL-BZN-BTM-GEG-PDX

E) ORD-MEM-GLH-MLU-BTR-MSY

F) BTM-WYS-PIH-SLC-LAS-SAN

And last but not certainly least.....

4) What were the routings of Pan Am (PA) flt. #1 in early 1976? (Hint: depending on the specific day of the week, this flight stopped at different airports. And this flight also actually stopped at one particular airport twice on these routings)

Seat 2A Jan 22, 2012 1:32 pm

Thanks for the additional questions, jlemon. As a long time reader of OAGs and airline history books, I hate to hog all the answers so I will limit myself to just one here:

2) What three airlines merged to form Air West? And of these three air carriers, which airline already operated the B727-100?

Pacific Airlines ~ Boeing 727-100
Bonanza Airlines ~ DC-9-10
West Coast Airlines ~ DC-9-10


I've got airline issued postcards of Air West DC-9-30s, so I'm guessing that those must have been purchased after the conglamoration of the above carriers into Air West.

Fans of airline routing questions such as #3 above may get a kick out of this posting. Just scroll down a bit and you'll see what I'm talking about.

jlemon Jan 22, 2012 1:40 pm

I was going to attempt to answer several of the latest questions posed by Seat 2A
but will give others the chance to answer them first....

Wally Bird Jan 22, 2012 2:02 pm


Originally Posted by jlemon (Post 17864798)
I was not sure about the details concerning Allegheny buying used BAC One-Eleven twinjets in addition to the aircraft they had received via their acquisition of Mohawk. I did suspect Braniff but did not know about Aloha.

The ex-BN 111s went straight to Allegheny, Mohawk never operated them since they had ceased to exist by then.

N1542 203/AE 016 08/72 10/79
N1544 203/AE 018 03/72 10/79
N1545 203/AE 019 07/72 10/79
N1546 203/AE 020 09/72 10/79
N1547 203/AE 041 04/72 10/79
N1548 203/AE 042 05/72 10/79
N1549 203/AE 043 04/72 10/79
N1550 204/AE 044 03/72 w/o

Seat 2A Jan 22, 2012 2:07 pm


Originally Posted by jlemon (Post 17864798)
I was not sure about the details concerning Allegheny buying used BAC One-Eleven twinjets in addition to the aircraft they had received via their acquisition of Mohawk. I did suspect Braniff but did not know about Aloha.

A few years ago I went through my flight log and recorded the disposition of every aircraft I'd ever flown. I used the TATL Air Fleets book, but there must surely be some online sites as well. As to the Allegheny BAC-111s I flew:

N1134J: Del. To Braniff Airways as N1551 1965 > SOLD Allegheny Airlines N1134J 1971 > nn. US Air 1979 > WFU & Stored San Antonio, TX 1990 > Used as fire trainer

N1135J: Del. To Braniff Airways as N1552 1965 > SOLD Allegheny Airlines N1135J 1971 > nn. US Air 1979 > nn. US Airways 1997 > SOLD Florida Express

N1136J: Del. To Braniff Airways as N1554 1965 > SOLD Allegheny Airlines N1136J 1971 > nn. US Air 1979 > nn. US Airways 1997 > SOLD Florida Express

N1123J Del. To Mohawk Airlines 1967 > MERGED Allegheny Airlines 1972 > nn. US Air 1979 > SOLD to Kabo Air as 5N-KBC > WFU & Broken Up 1991

N1131J: Del. To Aloha Airlines as N11182 1966 > SOLD Mohawk Airlines N1131J 1969 > MERGED Allegheny Airlines 1972 > nn. US Air 1979 > nn. US Airways 1997 > SOLD TO Braniff Express > WFU & Broken Up Orlando, FL

N1120J: Del. To Mohawk Airlines 1967 > MERGED Allegheny Airlines 1972 > nn. US Air 1979 > nn. US Airways 1997 > LSD Pacific Express 1983 > LSD Emerald Air > LSD Classic Air > SOLD to Kabo Air as 5N-KBD > WFU & Broken Up

N1112J: Del. To Mohawk Airlines 1965 > MERGED Allegheny Airlines 1972 > nn. US Air 1979 > nn. US Airways 1997 > SOLD to Kabo Air as 5N-KBE > WFU & Broken Up

N1125J: Del. To Mohawk Airlines 1967 > MERGED Allegheny Airlines 1972 > nn. US Air 1979 > SOLD to Saudi Wings HZ-MO1 1981> SOLD First United Air N4550T 1983 > WFU & Parted out 1990

N2111J: Del. To Mohawk Airlines 1965 > MERGED Allegheny Airlines 1972 > nn. US Air 1979 > nn. US Airways 1997 > WFU & Broken Up

N1114J: Del. To Mohawk Airlines 1967 > MERGED Allegheny Airlines 1972 > nn. US Air 1979 > nn. US Airways 1997 > SOLD to Kabo Air as 5N-KBV > WFU & Broken Up

jlemon Jan 22, 2012 2:28 pm

Thanks to Wally Bird and Seat 2A for the above BAC One-Eleven info!

I'm not sure which "N" number was involved; however, my first ride ever on a BAC 1-11 was on Braniff back in 1972 (I think). I was flying standby on 50% discounted "youth fare" (remember them?). The flight made multiple stops, so at the first stop, being Little Rock (LIT), I was moved from Y to F as coach was full out of LIT. I stayed up in F for the rest of the flight!

My only other experience flying on the BAC 1-11 was years later when I lived in Santa Barbara. The airline was Pacific Express. I flew with them a number of times. Routings included SBA-BFL-SFO, SFO-SBA and PSP-LAX.

And I currently have a diecast 1/200 scale model BAC One-Eleven in my little collection. N1542 is in the colors of Braniff International (blue paint scheme with the white tail & stylized "BI").

I greatly enjoyed all my flights on the One-Eleven....

cs57 Jan 22, 2012 3:46 pm

Re: Question about Terminal One at JFK. Before the existing building was erected, it was the home of Eastern Airlines. It had a large central area with one "finger" of gates on each side.

N702ML Jan 23, 2012 7:44 am


Originally Posted by Seat 2A (Post 17864583)
1.) Which airline offered scheduled jet service into Naples, Florida?

2.) Before the advent of regional jets, which two airlines offered jet service into Waterloo, Iowa?

3.) Which airline operated 707-320s between Kansas City and Minneapolis?

4.) What jet equipped airline was based out of Fresno, CA in the mid-90s?

5.) What jet equipped airline was based out of Terre Haute, IN during the early 1980s?

6.) What Illinois based airline operated BAC-111s during the early 1980s?

7.) What three airlines (two scheduled, one charter) named after U.S. cities also operated jets?

2. One of them has to be Ozark. Not sure about the other.

4. Air 21 (I have one of their F28 safety cards!)

5. Was it Direct Air? I have this memory of a commuter airline named Direct Air and cities like Terre Haute and Kokomo come to mind..... I remember it breifly flying from Cleveland to one of those cities. (Can't remember if it was from CLE or BKL...I want to say BKL...)

6. Air Illinois

7. Not sure I understand this one.... three US airlines named after cities that also operated jets.... I am thinking Air Atlanta, Reno Air, Aspen Airways, New York Air... but that's well more than 3.. and none of them were charter. So maybe I am mis-understanding the question!

N702ML Jan 23, 2012 8:01 am


Originally Posted by jlemon (Post 17864798)
A) DEN-CYS-CPR-SHR-BIL

B) JFK-DCA-ORF-CHS-JAX-TLH-PFN-PNS-MOB-MSY-IAH

C) JFK-BNA-MEM-LIT-FSM-TUL-OKC-DFW

D) ORD-MSP-JMS-BIS-BIL-BZN-BTM-GEG-PDX

E) ORD-MEM-GLH-MLU-BTR-MSY

F) BTM-WYS-PIH-SLC-LAS-SAN

A. Western. 737s?

B. National. 727s.

C. Braniff? B11s?

D. Not sure about this one. I want to say Northwest Orient... but the JMS throws me off....

E. Southern. DC9s.

F. Is this Western again?

Seat 2A Jan 23, 2012 8:17 am


Originally Posted by N702ML (Post 17869462)
2. One of them has to be Ozark. Not sure about the other. Ozark is correct. The other airline operated BAC-111s

4. Air 21 (I have one of their F28 safety cards!) Right on!

5. Was it Direct Air? I have this memory of a commuter airline named Direct Air and cities like Terre Haute and Kokomo come to mind..... I remember it breifly flying from Cleveland to one of those cities. (Can't remember if it was from CLE or BKL...I want to say BKL...) It was not Direct Air. Here's a hint: This airline operated BAC-111s

6. Air Illinois

7. Not sure I understand this one.... three US airlines named after cities that also operated jets.... I am thinking Air Atlanta, Reno Air, Aspen Airways, New York Air... but that's well more than 3.. and none of them were charter. So maybe I am mis-understanding the question! You are correct and then some! I totally spaced Aspen and Reno Air. So that's four scheduled airlines, and one charter. Think palm trees...


jlemon Jan 23, 2012 2:16 pm


Originally Posted by N702ML (Post 17869549)
A. Western. 737s?

B. National. 727s.

C. Braniff? B11s?

D. Not sure about this one. I want to say Northwest Orient... but the JMS throws me off....

E. Southern. DC9s.

F. Is this Western again?

A) Correct! Western B737-200. This was back when little Sheridan, Wyoming (SHR) actually had mainline jet service.

B) Correct! National B727-200.

C) Correct on the airline: Braniff International. Also an excellent guess on the equipment. The route had been served by a BAC One-Eleven back when it originated in Memphis on the way to DFW with intermediate stops. I flew on this BAC 1-11 service one fine day (see my remarks above concerning the "Youth Fare"). However, this particular routing originated in JFK. The aircraft was a B727-200 which took over this expanded routing after BN disposed of their BAC 1-11s. I believe the B727-200 was the largest passenger jet ever to serve Fort Smith, Arkansas (FSM).

D) And Northwest Orient it is! Aircraft was a B727. This was back when little Jamestown, North Dakota (JMS) actually had mainline jet service.

E) Correct! Aircraft was the short fuselage DC-9.

F) Yes, this is Western as well with a B737-200. Note the service to West Yellowstone, Montana (WYS) which is a very small place.

jlemon Jan 23, 2012 3:32 pm


1.) Which airline offered scheduled jet service into Naples, Florida?

2.) Before the advent of regional jets, which two airlines offered jet service into Waterloo, Iowa?

3.) Which airline operated 707-320s between Kansas City and Minneapolis?

5.) What jet equipped airline was based out of Terre Haute, IN during the early 1980s?



1) Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA) operating as Delta Connection with Canadair CRJ-200 regional jets.

2) Ozark has been mentioned (DC-9s). Was the other carrier Braniff International with BAC One-Eleven aircraft?

3) Was it one of these three carriers? Braniff International, Northwest Orient, TWA.

5) Britt Airways with BAC One-Eleven aircraft. They also flew the Fairchild Hiller FH-227 turboprop.

buckeyefanflyer Jan 23, 2012 3:39 pm

I think the Jamestown stop was on that DCA-SEA 727 making 9 stops.

jlemon Jan 23, 2012 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by buckeyefanflyer (Post 17872874)
I think the Jamestown stop was on that DCA-SEA 727 making 9 stops.

According to the Feb. 1976 edition of the Official Airline Guide (OAG), Jamestown, ND (JMS) had two flights a day on NW at this time. The equipment on both flights was a B727-200.

The westbound flight had the routing which appears in my initial question above.

The eastbound flight had a routing of BIS-JMS-FAR-MSP-MIA-FLL.

So back at this time, one could board a 72S (which had an F cabin as well as Y service) and fly from JMS direct with no change of plane to either the west coast (PDX) or down to the east coast of south Florida (MIA & FLL).

Not bad for a little town in North Dakota that has less than 15,000 people these days.....


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