Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
May 12, 2019, 11:27 pm
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QUESTION
Now that the current quiz is winding down, perhaps some answers to this vague question?
A family member was needing specialist medical treatment around 1978. He was flown in a passenger seat, not stretcher, from probably Manhattan Regional Airport (MHK) in Manhattan, Kansas or Marshall Army Airfield (FRI), probably in a USAF DC-9. Let's assume it was a C-9A/DC-9. The longer runway at MHK is 7,000 feet, but wasn't that length until 1979. FRI's runway is 4,503 ft. There's also the possibility it originated at Forbes AFB, Topeka. The destination was Denver. Stapleton? Buckley AFB in Aurora, CO?
a. What airport did the flight likely depart?
b. What airport did the flight likely arrive?
When there's ever a discussion about the family's history, I am always curious about details that nobody else thinks about. What airline was flown? What route? What aircraft? hahaha
Now that the current quiz is winding down, perhaps some answers to this vague question?
A family member was needing specialist medical treatment around 1978. He was flown in a passenger seat, not stretcher, from probably Manhattan Regional Airport (MHK) in Manhattan, Kansas or Marshall Army Airfield (FRI), probably in a USAF DC-9. Let's assume it was a C-9A/DC-9. The longer runway at MHK is 7,000 feet, but wasn't that length until 1979. FRI's runway is 4,503 ft. There's also the possibility it originated at Forbes AFB, Topeka. The destination was Denver. Stapleton? Buckley AFB in Aurora, CO?
a. What airport did the flight likely depart?
b. What airport did the flight likely arrive?
When there's ever a discussion about the family's history, I am always curious about details that nobody else thinks about. What airline was flown? What route? What aircraft? hahaha
May 13, 2019, 2:17 am
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6. What was the first airport in the world to operate scheduled international commercial services? Where did the flight go?
Great answer! However, I think the answer would be for a different question, a hypothetical 6A, first schedule international commercial service by an airline that is still flying.
England had Airco and the US had Chauk's Ocean, both no longer exists. I believe Airco operated domestically initially. Chauk did not but flew to the Bahamas.
6. What was the first airport in the world to operate scheduled international commercial services? Where did the flight go?
Miami airport, but not the current one. It's the Miami seaplane runway in Biscayne Bay between Miami and Miami Beach. The flight went to Alice Town, Bahamas, which is on Bimini Island, closer to Miami than Nassau. I don't really know seaplanes so I won't be able to say what plane was used.
Chauk's Ocean Airways, later Chauk's International Airlines, lasted a long time until around 2005 or so. An old Grumman seaplane crashed and the airline was shut down. It was tough to maintain a plane more than 50 years old and with the company no longer in the seaplane business. The FAA didn't have confidence in the airline.
I'm not completely sure of my answer except Chauk's was one of the first, if not the first, scheduled international flight. It used to be America's oldest airline when it was flying. I thought of flying them but wasn't too sure about the old aircraft. Kenmore Air flies old planes but Chauk's was an order of magnitude more difficult because Kenmore's old DHC Beavers and Otters are still support by the new manufacturer, Viking Air of Victoria, BC.
Great answer! However, I think the answer would be for a different question, a hypothetical 6A, first schedule international commercial service by an airline that is still flying.
England had Airco and the US had Chauk's Ocean, both no longer exists. I believe Airco operated domestically initially. Chauk did not but flew to the Bahamas.
6. What was the first airport in the world to operate scheduled international commercial services? Where did the flight go?
Miami airport, but not the current one. It's the Miami seaplane runway in Biscayne Bay between Miami and Miami Beach. The flight went to Alice Town, Bahamas, which is on Bimini Island, closer to Miami than Nassau. I don't really know seaplanes so I won't be able to say what plane was used.
Chauk's Ocean Airways, later Chauk's International Airlines, lasted a long time until around 2005 or so. An old Grumman seaplane crashed and the airline was shut down. It was tough to maintain a plane more than 50 years old and with the company no longer in the seaplane business. The FAA didn't have confidence in the airline.
I'm not completely sure of my answer except Chauk's was one of the first, if not the first, scheduled international flight. It used to be America's oldest airline when it was flying. I thought of flying them but wasn't too sure about the old aircraft. Kenmore Air flies old planes but Chauk's was an order of magnitude more difficult because Kenmore's old DHC Beavers and Otters are still support by the new manufacturer, Viking Air of Victoria, BC.
(This is the same area where the Late Marlins' pitcher Jose Fernandez lost his life in a Boating Accident at night a few years ago. Ironically, he survived a boat sinking when he came into the USA from Cuba as a child on a makeshift raft.)
And actually Pan-Am actually was the airline entity that developed an airport in Miami to handle mail routes in the Caribbean, especially to Cuba, so in the realm of Commercial services, do you mean non-passenger services like mail?
Last edited by teddybear99; May 13, 2019 at 2:22 am Reason: asking the question of commercial services
May 13, 2019, 6:50 am
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Seat 2A, I couldn't quote your post but here are my responses..
As to your questions below, I'll have a gander at a couple...
1A. What airport had the highest incident rate (per 10,000 flights) in 2018. Kansas City International Airport
1B. From 1990-2017, what phase of flight has had the highest number of bird strikes? Approach for landing CORRECT
1C. From 1990-2017, for bird strikes where the bird could be identified which bird species caused the largest number of bird strikes? Mourning Dove
As to your questions below, I'll have a gander at a couple...
1A. What airport had the highest incident rate (per 10,000 flights) in 2018. Kansas City International Airport
1B. From 1990-2017, what phase of flight has had the highest number of bird strikes? Approach for landing CORRECT
1C. From 1990-2017, for bird strikes where the bird could be identified which bird species caused the largest number of bird strikes? Mourning Dove
May 13, 2019, 9:52 am
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6. What was the first airport in the world to operate scheduled international commercial services? Where did the flight go?
Per YVR Cockroach: Educated guess. Given KLM is the oldest continuously-operating airline, I will guess it was Amsterdam, way before Schiphol, to Brussels?
Per Toshbaf: Miami airport, but not the current one. It's the Miami seaplane runway in Biscayne Bay between Miami and Miami Beach. The flight went to Alice Town, Bahamas, which is on Bimini Island, closer to Miami than Nassau. I don't really know seaplanes so I won't be able to say what plane was used.
My source for this question - which I have a link to when the time comes - indicates that the airport we're looking for is neither of the above (Amsterdam or the old Miami airport). In fact, I'll just put it out there now...
https://www.mylondon.news/news/west-...eiled-11186742
That said, Toshbaf has an interesting point, one kind of backed up per that source of all knowledge - Wikepedia. To wit:
"The first airline to operate international flights was Chalk's Ocean Airways, established 1917, which operated scheduled seaplane services from Florida to the Bahamas. The first regular international service in the world was covered by the British Aircraft Transport and Travel, from Hounslow Heath Aerodrome to Le Bourget, near Paris."
Huh?
Per YVR Cockroach: Educated guess. Given KLM is the oldest continuously-operating airline, I will guess it was Amsterdam, way before Schiphol, to Brussels?
Per Toshbaf: Miami airport, but not the current one. It's the Miami seaplane runway in Biscayne Bay between Miami and Miami Beach. The flight went to Alice Town, Bahamas, which is on Bimini Island, closer to Miami than Nassau. I don't really know seaplanes so I won't be able to say what plane was used.
My source for this question - which I have a link to when the time comes - indicates that the airport we're looking for is neither of the above (Amsterdam or the old Miami airport). In fact, I'll just put it out there now...
https://www.mylondon.news/news/west-...eiled-11186742
That said, Toshbaf has an interesting point, one kind of backed up per that source of all knowledge - Wikepedia. To wit:
"The first airline to operate international flights was Chalk's Ocean Airways, established 1917, which operated scheduled seaplane services from Florida to the Bahamas. The first regular international service in the world was covered by the British Aircraft Transport and Travel, from Hounslow Heath Aerodrome to Le Bourget, near Paris."
Huh?
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That said, Toshbaf has an interesting point, one kind of backed up per that source of all knowledge - Wikepedia. To wit:
"The first airline to operate international flights was Chalk's Ocean Airways, established 1917, which operated scheduled seaplane services from Florida to the Bahamas. The first regular international service in the world was covered by the British Aircraft Transport and Travel, from Hounslow Heath Aerodrome to Le Bourget, near Paris."
Huh?
That said, Toshbaf has an interesting point, one kind of backed up per that source of all knowledge - Wikepedia. To wit:
"The first airline to operate international flights was Chalk's Ocean Airways, established 1917, which operated scheduled seaplane services from Florida to the Bahamas. The first regular international service in the world was covered by the British Aircraft Transport and Travel, from Hounslow Heath Aerodrome to Le Bourget, near Paris."
Huh?
May 13, 2019, 11:06 am
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I'm not completely sure of my answer except Chauk's was one of the first, if not the first, scheduled international flight. It used to be America's oldest airline when it was flying. I thought of flying them but wasn't too sure about the old aircraft. Kenmore Air flies old planes but Chauk's was an order of magnitude more difficult because Kenmore's old DHC Beavers and Otters are still support by the new manufacturer, Viking Air of Victoria, BC.
May 13, 2019, 1:09 pm
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Big DC-3 get-together in UK and France
Not a quiz item but now is the time to let all interested know about the 75th anniversary of D-Day, being commemorated here in the UK and in France on 5 June.
Here's the dates and times
https://www.daksovernormandy.com/program/
Here's the aircraft (must be a quiz question or two in there somewhere)
https://www.daksovernormandy.com/aircraft/
DC-3s, with paratroopers or towing gliders, were the key aircraft of those times. They hope to get more than 30 DC-3 together, in loose formation, to make the trip across the English Channel. They start from Duxford museum, near Cambridge, and head across to Caen in Normandy, France. They are actually doing the trip on the afternoon of Wednesday 5 June. Lots of events in the days beforehand at Duxford, and after at Caen. the timetable also shows where they will pass over on the way. Shame officialdom has not let them come over central London.
Up to 12 DC-3s are coming over from the USA in a group though I can't find much detail of that.
Anyone who wants to meet up at Duxford on 5 June give me a PM.
Here's the dates and times
https://www.daksovernormandy.com/program/
Here's the aircraft (must be a quiz question or two in there somewhere)
https://www.daksovernormandy.com/aircraft/
DC-3s, with paratroopers or towing gliders, were the key aircraft of those times. They hope to get more than 30 DC-3 together, in loose formation, to make the trip across the English Channel. They start from Duxford museum, near Cambridge, and head across to Caen in Normandy, France. They are actually doing the trip on the afternoon of Wednesday 5 June. Lots of events in the days beforehand at Duxford, and after at Caen. the timetable also shows where they will pass over on the way. Shame officialdom has not let them come over central London.
Up to 12 DC-3s are coming over from the USA in a group though I can't find much detail of that.
Anyone who wants to meet up at Duxford on 5 June give me a PM.
May 13, 2019, 11:59 pm
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As to your questions below, I'll have a gander at a couple...
1A. What airport had the highest incident rate (per 10,000 flights) in 2018. #1[/URL] abc9c]Kansas City International Airport
1B. From 1990-2017, what phase of flight has had the highest number of bird strikes? #1[/URL] abc9c]Approach for landing CORRECT
1C. From 1990-2017, for bird strikes where the bird could be identified which bird species caused the largest number of bird strikes? #1[/URL] abc9c]Mourning Dove
So, since there wasn't much interest in this I've put in the correct answers....
1A. What airport had the highest incident rate (per 10,000 flights) in 2018. #1[/URL] abc9c]Kansas City International Airport
1B. From 1990-2017, what phase of flight has had the highest number of bird strikes? #1[/URL] abc9c]Approach for landing CORRECT
1C. From 1990-2017, for bird strikes where the bird could be identified which bird species caused the largest number of bird strikes? #1[/URL] abc9c]Mourning Dove
So, since there wasn't much interest in this I've put in the correct answers....
As far as 1C., if I had to guess, it would have been pigeon. The common pigeon one sees in cities is in a similar family as the mourning dove but not the same thing.
May 14, 2019, 8:56 am
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https://www.harbourair.com/harbour-a...ctric-airline/
If they can successfully make this work, I'll miss the sound of Harbour Air's piston and turboprop powered aircraft.....but this certainly sounds like a sign of the times.
May 14, 2019, 9:36 am
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And then there were two...
AIRPORT QUIZ QUESTIONS
10. This U.S. city’s airport was the first to have an air traffic control tower and a radio controlled air traffic control system. Name it.
11. In 2002, this was the first U.S. airport to federalize its security force after the passage of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. It is effectively known as the birthplace of the TSA. So then, which airport is it?
AIRPORT QUIZ QUESTIONS
10. This U.S. city’s airport was the first to have an air traffic control tower and a radio controlled air traffic control system. Name it.
11. In 2002, this was the first U.S. airport to federalize its security force after the passage of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. It is effectively known as the birthplace of the TSA. So then, which airport is it?
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. In 2002, this was the first U.S. airport to federalize its security force after the passage of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. It is effectively known as the birthplace of the TSA. So then, which airport is it?
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10. This U.S. city’s airport was the first to have an air traffic control tower and a radio controlled air traffic control system. Name it. Very interesting answer since the original air route control centers were Newark, Cleveland, and Chicago. So the first radio controlled air traffic control system was one of them.
However, the first air traffic control tower could depend on the definition of "tower". The first air traffic controller, according to PATCO, I believe (remember when Reagan fired all of the strikers and PATCO was decertified?), was at Lambert Field (STL). The tower was a makeshift stand where the first air traffic controller (name I don't remember) directed traffic.
However, the first air traffic control tower could depend on the definition of "tower". The first air traffic controller, according to PATCO, I believe (remember when Reagan fired all of the strikers and PATCO was decertified?), was at Lambert Field (STL). The tower was a makeshift stand where the first air traffic controller (name I don't remember) directed traffic.
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I apologize for the delay, folks. Internet issues out here in the wilds of Alaska. Thanks for your patience...
10. This U.S. city’s airport was the first to have an air traffic control tower and a radio controlled air traffic control system. Name it.
Per wrp96: Wild stab of Chicago
Per Toshbaf: Very interesting answer since the original air route control centers were Newark, Cleveland, and Chicago. So the first radio controlled air traffic control system was one of them.
However, the first air traffic control tower could depend on the definition of "tower". The first air traffic controller, according to PATCO, I believe (remember when Reagan fired all of the strikers and PATCO was decertified?), was at Lambert Field (STL). The tower was a makeshift stand where the first air traffic controller (name I don't remember) directed traffic.
The information source I have indicates it's one of the three airports Toshbaf has listed above..., However, it's not Chicago.
Given the early season irregularity of our internet here in Denali, I'll go ahead and provide a link to my source...
https://airlinegeeks.com/2015/08/09/...-of-marketing/
11. In 2002, this was the first U.S. airport to federalize its security force after the passage of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. It is effectively known as the birthplace of the TSA. So then, which airport is it?
Per wrp96: Another wild stab SFO
Ah... it was not SFO. The answer to this one should be a lot clearer as to just one airport. Please guess again!
Per wrp96: Wild stab of Chicago
Per Toshbaf: Very interesting answer since the original air route control centers were Newark, Cleveland, and Chicago. So the first radio controlled air traffic control system was one of them.
However, the first air traffic control tower could depend on the definition of "tower". The first air traffic controller, according to PATCO, I believe (remember when Reagan fired all of the strikers and PATCO was decertified?), was at Lambert Field (STL). The tower was a makeshift stand where the first air traffic controller (name I don't remember) directed traffic.
The information source I have indicates it's one of the three airports Toshbaf has listed above..., However, it's not Chicago.
Given the early season irregularity of our internet here in Denali, I'll go ahead and provide a link to my source...
https://airlinegeeks.com/2015/08/09/...-of-marketing/
11. In 2002, this was the first U.S. airport to federalize its security force after the passage of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. It is effectively known as the birthplace of the TSA. So then, which airport is it?
Per wrp96: Another wild stab SFO
Ah... it was not SFO. The answer to this one should be a lot clearer as to just one airport. Please guess again!
PSA for all us old-timers
May 15, 2019, 3:33 pm
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Well, speaking of DHC Beaver and Otter seaplanes specifically with regard to an airline up in your part of the world......
https://www.harbourair.com/harbour-a...ctric-airline/
If they can successfully make this work, I'll miss the sound of Harbour Air's piston and turboprop powered aircraft.....but this certainly sounds like a sign of the times.
https://www.harbourair.com/harbour-a...ctric-airline/
If they can successfully make this work, I'll miss the sound of Harbour Air's piston and turboprop powered aircraft.....but this certainly sounds like a sign of the times.
p.s. still have no flown on any Beavers or Otters of any flavour.
