Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
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15. “When I die and go to heaven, I’ll probably connect in Atlanta”. That old quip notwithstanding, you’ve had uniquely bad luck of late with connections – wherever they may be – so much so that for your upcoming flight between Dallas and West Palm Beach you’ve booked yourself upon the late afternoon five-stopper. It’ll be a long day, but a couple of good books should ease the pain. Identify the airline, aircraft and all five of the enroute stops in order, please.
Time to start dissecting this one ... in 1970, I think the only airlines serving both Texas and Florida were Braniff, Delta, Eastern, and National ... BN didn't serve West Palm (PBI), and NA didn't serve Dallas (DAL), so we're left with DL and EA. If I'm thinking about DL, a late-night arrival into PBI **could** have been a DC-8 from Miami (MIA) and Ft Lauderdale (FLL), and the initial three stops **could** have been New Orleans (MSY), Tampa (TPA), and Orlando (MCO) ... but that just strikes me as a little too odd
So ... looking at EA, the first leg would also be DAL-MSY; the next four stops would be Mobile (MOB), Pensacola (PNS), Tallahassee (TLH), and TPA; the most likely equipment would be a DC-9
Actually, it was Delta and New Orleans was not one of the stops. Neither were any of the others you listed. But knowing it's Delta, it should now be fairly simple to have a good guess at a more correct routing. BTW, when you say DC-9, are you referring to the -10 variant?
Time to start dissecting this one ... in 1970, I think the only airlines serving both Texas and Florida were Braniff, Delta, Eastern, and National ... BN didn't serve West Palm (PBI), and NA didn't serve Dallas (DAL), so we're left with DL and EA. If I'm thinking about DL, a late-night arrival into PBI **could** have been a DC-8 from Miami (MIA) and Ft Lauderdale (FLL), and the initial three stops **could** have been New Orleans (MSY), Tampa (TPA), and Orlando (MCO) ... but that just strikes me as a little too odd
So ... looking at EA, the first leg would also be DAL-MSY; the next four stops would be Mobile (MOB), Pensacola (PNS), Tallahassee (TLH), and TPA; the most likely equipment would be a DC-9
Actually, it was Delta and New Orleans was not one of the stops. Neither were any of the others you listed. But knowing it's Delta, it should now be fairly simple to have a good guess at a more correct routing. BTW, when you say DC-9, are you referring to the -10 variant?
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15- I initially went after this with the intent of finding a plausible itinerary that avoided ATL entirely 
but now that you have declared DL the airline of record, ATL would logically be the last stop, and the first four might have been Shreveport (SHV), Monroe (MLU), Jackson (JAN), and Birmingham (BHM) ... DL actually had both the -10 and the -30 in their fleet in 1970, so the correct answer will be revealed whether I guess right or wrong ... just for grins let's say the -10
but now that you have declared DL the airline of record, ATL would logically be the last stop, and the first four might have been Shreveport (SHV), Monroe (MLU), Jackson (JAN), and Birmingham (BHM) ... DL actually had both the -10 and the -30 in their fleet in 1970, so the correct answer will be revealed whether I guess right or wrong ... just for grins let's say the -10
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6. Of all the days to get a flat tire! Now you’re sitting on I-35, nine miles from Minneapolis International and there’s no way you’re going to make your nonstop flight to Boston. A quick call to your travel agent reveals that the next direct flight to Boston is a two stopper that’ll arrive Boston mid-afternoon. You quickly book a seat. Identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stops, please.
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The following quiz items have a time line of the autumn of 1970
3. An old college friend has invited you to join her and six of your classmates at a mini-reunion on the big island of Hawaii. Can you make it? A quick glance out the window of your Manhattan loft at the wintry gray day makes this an easy decision. From JFK, there is a single two-stop direct flight departing each Saturday morning. A change of gauge is required enroute but First Class is available all the way through. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, aircraft involved and the routing (including the aircraft switch point)
Northwest was involved
6. Of all the days to get a flat tire! Now you’re sitting on I-35, nine miles from Minneapolis International and there’s no way you’re going to make your nonstop flight to Boston. A quick call to your travel agent reveals that the next direct flight to Boston is a two stopper that’ll arrive Boston mid-afternoon. You quickly book a seat. Identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stops, please.
A N S W E R E D
12. You’re all set to fly to from Chicago to Billings, Montana for the weekend. Unfortunately, a couple of things have come up at the office that mean you’ll have to switch from your 100p nonstop to something a bit later. A call to your travel agent reveals that unfortunately, no seats are available in any class to Billings until early this evening. But wait! If you can get over to Chicago’s lightly used Midway Airport, there’s a two stop flight departing at 220pm. It’s even got some larger seats up in the front of the aircraft. Book it, Danno! Identify the usual triumvirate, including the two stops enroute.
It was not a Northwest Electra
14. Working solely from schedules published in the North American edition of the OAG, I have found five different international flights into the U.S. that are each operated with a unique aircraft type that was manufactured outside of the U.S. Each flight is operated by a different foreign airline and in each case, the route is the only route into the U.S. using that aircraft type. In other words, you will find only one – not two – routes into the U.S. operated by say, a Dassault Mercure. And again, we are working only with schedules published in the North American OAG. So then, if you’re up for it, identify each of the five routes, airlines and aircraft types.
See latest responses above
15. “When I die and go to heaven, I’ll probably connect in Atlanta”. That old quip notwithstanding, you’ve had uniquely bad luck of late with connections – wherever they may be – so much so that for your upcoming flight between Dallas and West Palm Beach you’ve booked yourself upon the late afternoon five-stopper. It’ll be a long day, but a couple of good books should ease the pain. Identify the airline, aircraft and all five of the enroute stops in order, please.
A N S W E R E D
The following quiz item has a time line of the first quarter of 1973
21. The airline you usually fly between Detroit and New Orleans is on strike. So it is that you find yourself booked on a two-stop late afternoon departure. This airline utilizes an aircraft that until recently was not operated by your usual airline on the DTW-MSY route. As an added bonus, two dinners and a snack will be served along the way. Identify the airline, the two stops and the aircraft type.
The following quiz items have a time line from the summer of 1972
23. Aside from Delta’s flights, if you wanted to fly aboard a Convair 880 out of Miami during the summer of 1972, only one other airline offered scheduled flights. Identify that airline and the destination it served.
It's not LANICA or VIASA... But it is from a Latin American country
32. I’ve been able to find only one airline in the world that in 1973 operated three different types of four engine narrow bodied jetliners at the same time. (I’m not including variants such as a 727-100 vs a 727-200. We’re looking at only the base models) Each aircraft type is manufactured by a different company. Identify the airline and the three aircraft types. Additionally, if you should think of any other airlines operating 3 or more 4-engine aircraft at the same time during 1972, I would be happy to verify it.
Ongoing. MEA, American, Varig so far
BONUS QUESTION: Name an airline that operated not three but four different types of four engine narrow bodied jetliners - but NOT all at the same time.
BOAC, MEA and American have been identified so far. There's at least one more...
33. Identify the only non-Pratt & Whitney powered twin jet (operating scheduled flights) that you’ll see in Bangkok in the late summer of 1972. Airline and aircraft type, please.
A N S W E R E D
3. An old college friend has invited you to join her and six of your classmates at a mini-reunion on the big island of Hawaii. Can you make it? A quick glance out the window of your Manhattan loft at the wintry gray day makes this an easy decision. From JFK, there is a single two-stop direct flight departing each Saturday morning. A change of gauge is required enroute but First Class is available all the way through. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, aircraft involved and the routing (including the aircraft switch point)
Northwest was involved
6. Of all the days to get a flat tire! Now you’re sitting on I-35, nine miles from Minneapolis International and there’s no way you’re going to make your nonstop flight to Boston. A quick call to your travel agent reveals that the next direct flight to Boston is a two stopper that’ll arrive Boston mid-afternoon. You quickly book a seat. Identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stops, please.
A N S W E R E D
12. You’re all set to fly to from Chicago to Billings, Montana for the weekend. Unfortunately, a couple of things have come up at the office that mean you’ll have to switch from your 100p nonstop to something a bit later. A call to your travel agent reveals that unfortunately, no seats are available in any class to Billings until early this evening. But wait! If you can get over to Chicago’s lightly used Midway Airport, there’s a two stop flight departing at 220pm. It’s even got some larger seats up in the front of the aircraft. Book it, Danno! Identify the usual triumvirate, including the two stops enroute.
It was not a Northwest Electra
14. Working solely from schedules published in the North American edition of the OAG, I have found five different international flights into the U.S. that are each operated with a unique aircraft type that was manufactured outside of the U.S. Each flight is operated by a different foreign airline and in each case, the route is the only route into the U.S. using that aircraft type. In other words, you will find only one – not two – routes into the U.S. operated by say, a Dassault Mercure. And again, we are working only with schedules published in the North American OAG. So then, if you’re up for it, identify each of the five routes, airlines and aircraft types.
See latest responses above
15. “When I die and go to heaven, I’ll probably connect in Atlanta”. That old quip notwithstanding, you’ve had uniquely bad luck of late with connections – wherever they may be – so much so that for your upcoming flight between Dallas and West Palm Beach you’ve booked yourself upon the late afternoon five-stopper. It’ll be a long day, but a couple of good books should ease the pain. Identify the airline, aircraft and all five of the enroute stops in order, please.
A N S W E R E D
The following quiz item has a time line of the first quarter of 1973
21. The airline you usually fly between Detroit and New Orleans is on strike. So it is that you find yourself booked on a two-stop late afternoon departure. This airline utilizes an aircraft that until recently was not operated by your usual airline on the DTW-MSY route. As an added bonus, two dinners and a snack will be served along the way. Identify the airline, the two stops and the aircraft type.
The following quiz items have a time line from the summer of 1972
23. Aside from Delta’s flights, if you wanted to fly aboard a Convair 880 out of Miami during the summer of 1972, only one other airline offered scheduled flights. Identify that airline and the destination it served.
It's not LANICA or VIASA... But it is from a Latin American country
32. I’ve been able to find only one airline in the world that in 1973 operated three different types of four engine narrow bodied jetliners at the same time. (I’m not including variants such as a 727-100 vs a 727-200. We’re looking at only the base models) Each aircraft type is manufactured by a different company. Identify the airline and the three aircraft types. Additionally, if you should think of any other airlines operating 3 or more 4-engine aircraft at the same time during 1972, I would be happy to verify it.
Ongoing. MEA, American, Varig so far
BONUS QUESTION: Name an airline that operated not three but four different types of four engine narrow bodied jetliners - but NOT all at the same time.
BOAC, MEA and American have been identified so far. There's at least one more...
33. Identify the only non-Pratt & Whitney powered twin jet (operating scheduled flights) that you’ll see in Bangkok in the late summer of 1972. Airline and aircraft type, please.
A N S W E R E D
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15. “When I die and go to heaven, I’ll probably connect in Atlanta”. That old quip notwithstanding, you’ve had uniquely bad luck of late with connections – wherever they may be – so much so that for your upcoming flight between Dallas and West Palm Beach you’ve booked yourself upon the late afternoon five-stopper. It’ll be a long day, but a couple of good books should ease the pain. Identify the airline, aircraft and all five of the enroute stops in order, please.
I initially went after this with the intent of finding a plausible itinerary that avoided ATL entirely Now that you have declared DL the airline of record, ATL would logically be the last stop, and the first four might have been Shreveport (SHV), Monroe (MLU), Jackson (JAN), and Birmingham (BHM) ... DL actually had both the -10 and the -30 in their fleet in 1970, so the correct answer will be revealed whether I guess right or wrong ... just for grins let's say the -10
Now we're rollin'! The first four stops were SHV, JAN, BHM and ATL. There was another stop between ATL and PBI. Additionally, the a/c was not a -10. So then, it must've been...
I initially went after this with the intent of finding a plausible itinerary that avoided ATL entirely
Now that you have declared DL the airline of record, ATL would logically be the last stop, and the first four might have been Shreveport (SHV), Monroe (MLU), Jackson (JAN), and Birmingham (BHM) ... DL actually had both the -10 and the -30 in their fleet in 1970, so the correct answer will be revealed whether I guess right or wrong ... just for grins let's say the -10Now we're rollin'! The first four stops were SHV, JAN, BHM and ATL. There was another stop between ATL and PBI. Additionally, the a/c was not a -10. So then, it must've been...
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6. Of all the days to get a flat tire! Now you’re sitting on I-35, nine miles from Minneapolis International and there’s no way you’re going to make your nonstop flight to Boston. A quick call to your travel agent reveals that the next direct flight to Boston is a two stopper that’ll arrive Boston mid-afternoon. You quickly book a seat. Identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stops, please.
One mo' time.....Mohawk operating a BAC One-Eleven with stops made in Buffalo and Rochester.
Buffalo, yes. Rochester, no. Hmm... whatever could it be.....?
One mo' time.....Mohawk operating a BAC One-Eleven with stops made in Buffalo and Rochester.
Buffalo, yes. Rochester, no. Hmm... whatever could it be.....?
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6. Of all the days to get a flat tire! Now you’re sitting on I-35, nine miles from Minneapolis International and there’s no way you’re going to make your nonstop flight to Boston. A quick call to your travel agent reveals that the next direct flight to Boston is a two stopper that’ll arrive Boston mid-afternoon. You quickly book a seat. Identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stops, please.
Mohawk BAC-111 Need correct routing
6. Well, let's get creative here and make the two stops Buffalo and White Plains.
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How about Air Siam with a BAC One-Eleven?
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15- well, the jet is obviously a D9S; the stop between ATL and PBI — being neither TLH nor MCO nor TPA — is much less evident ... I’ll speculate Jacksonville (JAX) to start
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The following quiz items have a time line of the autumn of 1970
3. An old college friend has invited you to join her and six of your classmates at a mini-reunion on the big island of Hawaii. Can you make it? A quick glance out the window of your Manhattan loft at the wintry gray day makes this an easy decision. From JFK, there is a single two-stop direct flight departing each Saturday morning. A change of gauge is required enroute but First Class is available all the way through. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, aircraft involved and the routing (including the aircraft switch point)
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3. An old college friend has invited you to join her and six of your classmates at a mini-reunion on the big island of Hawaii. Can you make it? A quick glance out the window of your Manhattan loft at the wintry gray day makes this an easy decision. From JFK, there is a single two-stop direct flight departing each Saturday morning. A change of gauge is required enroute but First Class is available all the way through. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, aircraft involved and the routing (including the aircraft switch point)
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Northwest Orient, JFK-SEA, 747
SEA-HNL-ITO DC-10-40
In contrast, in 2019, JFK-SEA is often served with a 737, sometimes 757. No 747's anywhere. The Hawaii segment is also on 737s often, depending on the airline. Even the airline of Hawaii Five-0 (book'em Danno) has changed. Previously United, now Hawaiian.
One thing is largely unchanged. JFK Terminal 2, formerly the Northwest/Delta terminal still looks largely the same including the white waffle ceiling.
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33. Identify the only non-Pratt & Whitney powered twin jet (operating scheduled flights) that you’ll see in Bangkok in the late summer of 1972. Airline and aircraft type, please.
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6. Of all the days to get a flat tire! Now you’re sitting on I-35, nine miles from Minneapolis International and there’s no way you’re going to make your nonstop flight to Boston. A quick call to your travel agent reveals that the next direct flight to Boston is a two stopper that’ll arrive Boston mid-afternoon. You quickly book a seat. Identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stops, please.
Mohawk BAC-111 Need correct routing
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Most of the resort hotels are located on the western side of the Big Island, of course, as the weather tends to be drier in that area due to the prevailing trade winds.
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Maha...F4koyt0cwKl5py
And I still have my "Honu" golf shirt.....
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6. Of all the days to get a flat tire! Now you’re sitting on I-35, nine miles from Minneapolis International and there’s no way you’re going to make your nonstop flight to Boston. A quick call to your travel agent reveals that the next direct flight to Boston is a two stopper that’ll arrive Boston mid-afternoon. You quickly book a seat. Identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stops, please.
Mohawk BAC-111 Need correct routing
Well, let's get creative here and make the two stops Buffalo and White Plains.
Whoa, Nellie! That's a bit too creative, JL! You'll be shocked when you find out the city in question, if only because it'll make such sense. I will say this: It's not in New York.
Mohawk BAC-111 Need correct routing
Well, let's get creative here and make the two stops Buffalo and White Plains.
Whoa, Nellie! That's a bit too creative, JL! You'll be shocked when you find out the city in question, if only because it'll make such sense. I will say this: It's not in New York.
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33. Identify the only non-Pratt & Whitney powered twin jet (operating scheduled flights) that you’ll see in Bangkok in the late summer of 1972. Airline and aircraft type, please.
How about Air Siam with a BAC One-Eleven?
How 'bout it? Great answer, Oski! You are indeed correct! At later times in its history Air Siam also flew the DC-10 and the 747.
How about Air Siam with a BAC One-Eleven?
How 'bout it? Great answer, Oski! You are indeed correct! At later times in its history Air Siam also flew the DC-10 and the 747.