Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
Oct 25, 2018, 12:19 pm
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38. Three different airlines were operating nonstop service to Bangkok from Ho Chi Minh City in the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam at this time. This city was formerly known as Saigon, of course, and the SGN three letter airport identifier was still being used in the OAG. Airline # 1 was operating three different aircraft types on the route while airlines # 2 and # 3 each operated one aircraft type. All of this equipment was different; thus, there were a total of five different aircraft types being operated on the route by the three air carriers. Identify all three airlines and the respective equipment they operated nonstop at this time from SGN to BKK. Air France (AF) operating a B747-200 Combi, Thai Airways (TG) operating an A300 and Vietnam Airlines operating B767, Tu-134 and _______ equipment
Oct 25, 2018, 12:24 pm
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When I think of Toledo, I think of Gertrude Stein's famous quote "There's no 'there" there". I should imagine a lot of people probably wanted to escape Toledo for the sun drenched beaches of South Florida, so Air Florida might well have responded with a DC-10 on the route. More likely however, they would have used one of their 727-200s
Toledo actually had decent air service at one point. In 1979, seven airlines were serving TOL with jet equipment. Besides Air Florida, Delta was operating 72S and D9S flights, Eastern was operating 72S and D95 service, Frontier was operating 73S flights, TWA was flying 727 and 72S service, United was operating 727, 72S and 73S flights and USAir was flying BAC One- Eleven and D9S service. Today, I think the airport only has service operated by American Eagle and Allegiant.
But back to your answer....
14. Ah, I do not think Toledo was ever served with the DC-10....at least not in scheduled service, although I would not be surprised to see diversions into TOL by Northwest in years past due to weather being an issue at Detroit.
And as for Air Florida operating a 72S on this TOL - TPA - MCO - MIA service.....please guess again, sir!
Oct 25, 2018, 12:28 pm
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38. Close....but no cigar! And remember: this quiz item states there were five different aircraft types being operated on the SGN-BKK route....and an A300 flown by Thai Airways has already been identified. Please guess again!
Oct 25, 2018, 12:33 pm
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Then probably down to 50/50. AF appeared to have unloaded some of their fleet onto VN at that time so A320. Of course, given the 50/50 nature and my luck, the correct answer probably is the short relative of the A300..
Oct 25, 2018, 12:41 pm
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38. Well, you did a great job on this one so I'll go ahead an provide the answer: the third aircraft type being operated on the SGN - BKK route by Air Vietnam in the fall of 1993 was the Airbus A310. And BTW, VN was also flying the B737-300 in addition to the Tu-134 on the Hanoi (HAN) - Bangkok route at this same time.
Oct 25, 2018, 1:36 pm
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I remember the QF inflght magazines in the mid-late '60s featuring 2 types of its fleet: 707s and Constellations. Don't remember there being Electras. I never saw QF operate anything but 707s between SIN and LHR, and never saw (or noticed) any Constellations in PER and SYD the couple of times I was at either airport in the era. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a Constellation or Electras (other than ASW derivatives) in real life. I do remember flying a BOAC VC-10 either SIN-PER or PER-SYD..
And Qantas did indeed operate Electra service over the Indian Ocean between Australia and South Africa at one point. Here's the westbound "Wallaby Route" schedule from the August 1, 1963 QF system timetable...
QF 621: Sydney (SYD) 15:00 - 16:30 Melbourne (MEL) 17:15 - 20:30 Perth (PER) 21:15 - 01:30 Cocos Islands (CCK) 03:00 - 08:30 Mauritius (MRU) 09:00 - 13:00 Johannesburg (JNB)
Freq: Alternating Saturdays (thus once every two weeks)
Equip: "Electra International Mark II"
Service classes: F/Y
Meal service: Main meal MEL-PER, Supper & Main Meal CCK-MRU, Main Meal MRU-JNB
Notes: "Sleeper Chairs - Full length Sleeper Chairs are provided for all First Class passengers on "Wallaby" Route Services. International Traffic only accepted SYD-MEL and v.v.; SYD-PER and v.v.; MEL-PER and v.v."
This same Qantas timetable also included this westbound schedule for South African Airways....
SA 241: Perth (PER) 18:30 - 23:25 Cocos Islands (CCK) 00:25 - 06:55 Mauritius (MRU) 07:55 - 12:10 Johannesburg (JNB)
Freq: Alternating Tuesdays (thus once every two weeks)
Equip: Douglas DC-7B
Service classes: F/Y
Meal service: Main meal PER-CKK & MRU-JNB
Well, I do believe it's time for yet another BONUS quiz item.....
39. In the fall of 1993, only one airline was serving the Cocos Islands (CCK) in the Indian Ocean and it was operating jet service twice a week. Identify this air carrier and the equipment. ANSWERED
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Oct 25, 2018, 2:25 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767
QF actually ran this [route through Cocos Island to South Africa] with a Super Constellation before they brought the Electra on line
https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=19600824-1
Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
I remember the QF inflght magazines in the mid-late '60s featuring 2 types of its fleet: 707s and Constellations. Don't remember there being Electras
Bonus Question. 40. What was the last Qantas propeller aircraft type ? Double bonus points for where it flew to.
** - Pleased to report in recent times the Connies came back. Two of them. One greeted me on the ramp at Sydney airport the last time I arrived there, it flies around the country
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-...greach/9962624
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Oct 25, 2018, 4:14 pm
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39. In the fall of 1993, only one airline was serving the Cocos Islands (CCK) in the Indian Ocean and it was operating jet service twice a week. Identify this air carrier and the equipment.
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The runway on Cocos Island was built in WW2 and was a Spitfire base, and later a bomber base, which went not with bombs but with English/Diutch-language newspapers produced on the island, dropped en masse to Japanese POW camps in Indonesia and Singapore.
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Oct 26, 2018, 9:21 am
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14. Ah, I do not think Toledo was ever served with the DC-10....at least not in scheduled service, although I would not be surprised to see diversions into TOL by Northwest in years past due to weather being an issue at Detroit. And as for Air Florida operating a 72S on this TOL - TPA - MCO - MIA service.....please guess again, sir!
Well then, perhaps it was a DC-9-10...
Well then, perhaps it was a DC-9-10...
Oct 26, 2018, 11:22 am
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Silkair with a 737 was my first guess too so I'm glad I didn't play. Since finding where the place actually is and whose territory it belonged to, I will guess it was a Australian airline. Don't think QF flew it (didn't notice/remember it on the route map when I flew QF a lot the year after) so I am going to guess Ansett with an A320.
Oct 26, 2018, 11:51 am
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OK, what about Ansett on a 146, from Perth but maybe refuelling somewhere up on the northern WA coast like Learmonth. And was it a triangular route, also via Christmas Island.
The runway on Cocos Island was built in WW2 and was a Spitfire base, and later a bomber base, which went not with bombs but with English/Diutch-language newspapers produced on the island, dropped en masse to Japanese POW camps in Indonesia and Singapore.
The runway on Cocos Island was built in WW2 and was a Spitfire base, and later a bomber base, which went not with bombs but with English/Diutch-language newspapers produced on the island, dropped en masse to Japanese POW camps in Indonesia and Singapore.
On Wednesdays, AN 430 flew a routing of Perth (PER) - Learmonth (LEA) - Christmas Island (XCH) - Cocos-Keeling Island (CCK). This aircraft then flew nonstop back to Perth from CCK as AN 431.
On Saturdays, AN 430 flew a routing of Perth (PER) - Learmonth (LEA) - Cocos-Keeling Island (CCK) - Christmas Island (XCH). This aircraft then flew nonstop back to Perth from XCH as AN 431.
It also appears that Ansett would operate this service on occasion with a Fokker F28.
And yes, there are two destinations named Christmas Island in the OAG at this time in 1993. The other one, CXI, is in Kiribati in the Pacific and was being served by two airlines back then, both operating 737 equipment: Air Nauru (ON) and Air Tungaru (VK) were both flying once a week nonstop from Honolulu with Air Nauru also flying once a week from Nauru via a stop at Tarawa.
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Oct 26, 2018, 12:04 pm
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14. Ah, I do not think Toledo was ever served with the DC-10....at least not in scheduled service, although I would not be surprised to see diversions into TOL by Northwest in years past due to weather being an issue at Detroit. And as for Air Florida operating a 72S on this TOL - TPA - MCO - MIA service.....please guess again, sir!
Well then, perhaps it was a DC-9-10...
Well then, perhaps it was a DC-9-10...
QH 128: Toledo (TOL) 2:10p - 4:10p Tampa (TPA) 4:30p - 5:00p Orlando (MCO) 5:15p - 6:00p Miami (MIA)
Freq: Daily
Equip: DC9
Meal service: Snack TOL-TPA
This was the only service being operated by Air Florida from Toledo at the time. In 1979, QH was operating nonstop service between TOL and Washington National (DCA) with a B737-200.
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6. In 1978, this U.S. based air carrier applied for new service authority from Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) to several destinations in Mexico including nonstop flights to Guadalajara with direct, continuing service to Mazatlan, Puerto Vallarta, La Paz and San Jose Del Cabo. The airline was unsuccessful with its application. Name this air carrier. It wasn't Texas International or Continental. The airline in question would have operated this new service with a twin engine jet aircraft type it was already flying on domestic routes. This air carrier was not based in Texas and was not operating any international flights at this time.
10. You are in Denver in 1979 and need to travel to Milwaukee for a meeting. You are in no hurry and have found a daily flight departing DEN in the morning which will get you into MKE by mid afternoon. Four stops will be made en route and the aircraft is in all coach configuration. Identify the airline, all four stops in order and the aircraft type. ANSWERED
16. Now it's the summer of 1984 and you are in St. Louis. You've been working diligently on a project day and night and it's now time to take a much needed break. So where to go? Well, how about Hawaii? There's even a weekly direct flight from STL to HNL that makes two intermediate stops en route. What airline will you be traveling on? Also name the two stops in order and the equipment. ANSWERED
17. In early 1985, four airlines were operating nonstop jet service from West Palm Beach to Fort Myers in Florida. Each air carrier operated just one daily flight on the route with two of the airlines operating the same aircraft type. The other two air carriers operated different aircraft types. Name all four airlines along with the equipment each operated on their respective flights. One of the flights was operated with a B737-200 while another flight was operated with a DC-9-30.
18. It's still early 1985 and you are in Brownsville, Texas. You need to travel to Chicago and have found a daily evening flight from BRO that will get into ORD before midnight. Two intermediate stops will be made en route by this service. Identify the air carrier, the two stops in order and the aircraft type. The equipment was a twin engine jet.
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