Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
Sep 1, 2016, 12:38 pm
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7. You live on da south side a Chicago and want to fly out to a bowling tournament in New Jersey. You abhor the long drive through traffic to get out to O’Hare, and especially dislike the cost of parking there – which is exorbitant even by 1974 standards. Imagine then your surprise and delight to discover a two-stop flight from nearby Midway Airport direct to Newark. Identify the airline, the two intermediate stops and the aircraft operating this route.
I think Delta was the only major airline flying to MDW in 1974, with 4x day DC-9s to STL. As for the stop after STL, I'll go with ATL.
Per the schedule I reference, there were at least three other airlines besides Delta serving Midway - one of which would definitely be considered major. However, we are looking for a different airline than Delta. Please - guess again!
Another recent route dedicated to a specific company is Nagoya-Detroit. Toyota is headquartered in Nagoya. Despite the decline of its local auto makers, the Detroit area (and its universities) is still the worldwide center for automotive research, so Toyota located their main North American research laboratory in the Detroit area. Many of Toyota's top suppliers also have facilities in the Detroit area.
Northwest began Detroit-Nagoya flights to link Toyota's two main research hubs and also serve passengers going between Toyota's assembly plants in Ontario or the US Midwest and Nagoya via Detroit. This flight was very profitable for Northwest, and has been continued by Delta.
Pro Air and Midwest Express also come to mind.....
I think Delta was the only major airline flying to MDW in 1974, with 4x day DC-9s to STL. As for the stop after STL, I'll go with ATL.
Per the schedule I reference, there were at least three other airlines besides Delta serving Midway - one of which would definitely be considered major. However, we are looking for a different airline than Delta. Please - guess again!
Another recent route dedicated to a specific company is Nagoya-Detroit. Toyota is headquartered in Nagoya. Despite the decline of its local auto makers, the Detroit area (and its universities) is still the worldwide center for automotive research, so Toyota located their main North American research laboratory in the Detroit area. Many of Toyota's top suppliers also have facilities in the Detroit area.
Northwest began Detroit-Nagoya flights to link Toyota's two main research hubs and also serve passengers going between Toyota's assembly plants in Ontario or the US Midwest and Nagoya via Detroit. This flight was very profitable for Northwest, and has been continued by Delta.
Pro Air and Midwest Express also come to mind.....
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Sep 1, 2016, 1:22 pm
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Here're the remaining questions...
THE TIMELINE FOR THE FOLLOWING QUESTION IS 1974
11. Armed with a good book and a sense of adventure, you board this 11 stop flight between New York EWR and SEA. It departs EWR at 7:15am, arriving Seattle sixteen hours later at 8:26pm PDT. I think we all know the airline. Can you identify all eleven stops?
If so, the routing would then have been EWR-ORD-MSN-RST-MSP-JMS-BIS-BIL-HLN-MSO-GEG-PDX-SEA.
And as for the equipment, I tempted to say it was an Electra. But let's go with a B727-100 instead.
Sep 1, 2016, 3:40 pm
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Separately ...
Farewell Joe Sutter, generally seen as creator of the Boeing 747 and the one who introduced widebody air travel at the start of the 1970s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituarie...-jet-engineer/
I hope Boeing do something notable to mark his life.
Farewell Joe Sutter, generally seen as creator of the Boeing 747 and the one who introduced widebody air travel at the start of the 1970s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituarie...-jet-engineer/
I hope Boeing do something notable to mark his life.
Sep 1, 2016, 3:54 pm
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according to the story in yesterday's Seattle Times, as recently as a month or so ago he was still going in to the office a couple days a week
if they haven't already done something similar, Boeing ought to name a gallery at the Museum of Flight in his honor
if they haven't already done something similar, Boeing ought to name a gallery at the Museum of Flight in his honor
Sep 2, 2016, 10:48 am
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11. Armed with a good book and a sense of adventure, you board this 11 stop flight between New York EWR and SEA. It departs EWR at 7:15am, arriving Seattle sixteen hours later at 8:26pm PDT. I think we all know the airline. Can you identify all eleven stops?
Per jrl767: Here are 11; I think nine of 'em (*) are keepers ... For the record, it was a Northwest 727-251.
Per jlemon: I'll guess the missing three stops were Madison, WI (MSN), Rochester, MN (RST) and Jamestown, ND (JMS).
We've got one more correct city! That would be Jamestown - which I've inserted in its correct order in jrl767's list above. Additionally, I neglected to mention that Mr. 767 is correct with his choice of aircraft - it was the 727-251.
So then, we're down to just two more stops. Please - carry on!
Per jrl767: Here are 11; I think nine of 'em (*) are keepers ... For the record, it was a Northwest 727-251.
- Detroit (DTW) Incorrect!
- Chicago O'Hare (ORD)* Correct!
- Minneapolis (MSP)* Correct!
- Jamestown (JMS)* Correct!
- Bismarck (BIS) Correct!
- Billings (BIL)* Correct!
- Bozeman (BZN)* Incorrect!
- Butte (BTM)* Incorrect!
- Helena (HLN)* Correct!
- Missoula (MSO)* Correct!
- Spokane (GEG)* Correct!
- Portland (PDX)* Correct!
Per jlemon: I'll guess the missing three stops were Madison, WI (MSN), Rochester, MN (RST) and Jamestown, ND (JMS).
We've got one more correct city! That would be Jamestown - which I've inserted in its correct order in jrl767's list above. Additionally, I neglected to mention that Mr. 767 is correct with his choice of aircraft - it was the 727-251.
So then, we're down to just two more stops. Please - carry on!
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Sep 2, 2016, 11:15 am
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- Detroit (DTW) Incorrect!
- Chicago O'Hare (ORD)* Correct!
- Minneapolis (MSP)* Correct!
- Jamestown (JMS)* Correct!
- Bismarck (BIS) Correct!
- Billings (BIL)* Correct!
- Bozeman (BZN)* Incorrect!
- Butte (BTM)* Incorrect!
- Helena (HLN)* Correct!
- Missoula (MSO)* Correct!
- Spokane (GEG)* Correct!
- Portland (PDX)* Correct!
... we're down to just two more stops. Please - carry on!
the map suggests that Great Falls (GTF) might have been a logical stop between BIL and HLN
Sep 2, 2016, 2:31 pm
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Sep 3, 2016, 11:40 am
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11. Armed with a good book and a sense of adventure, you board this 11 stop flight between New York EWR and SEA. It departs EWR at 7:15am, arriving Seattle sixteen hours later at 8:26pm PDT. I think we all know the airline. Can you identify all eleven stops?
Per jrl767: Here are 11; I think nine of 'em (*) are keepers ... For the record, it was a Northwest 727-251.
So then, we're down to just two more stops. Please - carry on!
Per jrl767: I'm pretty sure NW never operated EWR-ORD nonstop, and I flew on a 707-351C from Cleveland (CLE) to ORD in 1971, so let's say that CLE was the first stop.
Cleveland was a stop but not the first stop. We now need just one more stop. We are soooo close!
Per jrl767: Here are 11; I think nine of 'em (*) are keepers ... For the record, it was a Northwest 727-251.
- Detroit (DTW) Incorrect!
- Cleveland (CLE)* Correct!
- Chicago O'Hare (ORD)* Correct!
- Minneapolis (MSP)* Correct!
- Jamestown (JMS)* Correct!
- Bismarck (BIS)* Correct!
- Billings (BIL)* Correct!
- Bozeman (BZN) Incorrect!
- Butte (BTM) Incorrect!
- Helena (HLN)* Correct!
- Missoula (MSO)* Correct!
- Spokane (GEG)* Correct!
- Portland (PDX)* Correct!
So then, we're down to just two more stops. Please - carry on!
Per jrl767: I'm pretty sure NW never operated EWR-ORD nonstop, and I flew on a 707-351C from Cleveland (CLE) to ORD in 1971, so let's say that CLE was the first stop.
Cleveland was a stop but not the first stop. We now need just one more stop. We are soooo close!
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Sep 3, 2016, 11:58 am
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Sep 3, 2016, 1:07 pm
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A good guess, Koch, but alas, we're looking for a different city as in 1974 the EWR-PIT market was Allegheny and TWA country. Please, guess again!
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Sep 3, 2016, 3:31 pm
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NW, 1974, EWR-XXX-CLE and onward ... I think I'd have been aware of EWR-DCA, so that pretty much only leaves PHL
Sep 3, 2016, 7:59 pm
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Sep 4, 2016, 12:17 pm
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THE TIMELINE FOR THE FOLLOWING QUESTION IS 1974
7. You live on da south side a Chicago and want to fly out to a bowling tournament in New Jersey. You abhor the long drive through traffic to get out to O’Hare, and especially dislike the cost of parking there – which is exorbitant even by 1974 standards. Imagine then your surprise and delight to discover a two-stop flight from nearby Midway Airport direct to Newark. Identify the airline, the two intermediate stops and the aircraft operating this route.
7. Northwest operating a B727-100 with routing of Chicago (MDW) - Cleveland (CLE) - Philadelphia (PHL) - Newark (EWR).
And now back to home repairs.......
Sep 5, 2016, 10:07 am
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7. You live on da south side a Chicago and want to fly out to a bowling tournament in New Jersey. You abhor the long drive through traffic to get out to O’Hare, and especially dislike the cost of parking there – which is exorbitant even by 1974 standards. Imagine then your surprise and delight to discover a two-stop flight from nearby Midway Airport direct to Newark. Identify the airline, the two intermediate stops and the aircraft operating this route.
Well, we know it's not Delta. And you say another major air carrier was serving Midway at this time besides DL. I do recall that Northwest served MDW for many years. So here's a wild guess.....
7. Northwest operating a B727-100 with routing of Chicago (MDW) - Cleveland (CLE) - Philadelphia (PHL) - Newark (EWR).
True, I did say that another major carrier flew out of Midway, but only in response to JoeDTW's post. However, I never said that the aforementioned major carrier was the answer to this question.
While Northwest was that other major carrier serving Midway, it is not the airline we are looking for in answer to this question. Please - guess again!
Well, we know it's not Delta. And you say another major air carrier was serving Midway at this time besides DL. I do recall that Northwest served MDW for many years. So here's a wild guess.....
7. Northwest operating a B727-100 with routing of Chicago (MDW) - Cleveland (CLE) - Philadelphia (PHL) - Newark (EWR).
True, I did say that another major carrier flew out of Midway, but only in response to JoeDTW's post. However, I never said that the aforementioned major carrier was the answer to this question.
While Northwest was that other major carrier serving Midway, it is not the airline we are looking for in answer to this question. Please - guess again!
Sep 5, 2016, 10:30 am
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Since we're dealing with the 1970s, here's a differently styled bonus question. Let's see how this works out...
Back in the summer of 1976, I took a wonderful 11000 mile trip flying the following routing:
EWR-ORF-ILM-ATL-MEM-LIT-FSM-TUL-OKC-DFW-OKC-DEN-CYS-CPR-SHR-BIL-HLN-BTM-MSO-GEG-SEA-PDX-SEA-HNL-LIH-HNL-MKK-LNY-OGG-MUE///ITO-KOA-OGG-HNL-LAX-SFO-ABQ-DEN-PUB-ALS-DRO
Ten different airlines and nine different aircraft types/models were flown upon. Here's the challenge - using your knowledge of airline routings and aircraft flown during the 1970s, can you identify which airlines and aircraft types I flew over this entire trip?
Here are some hints:
Back in the summer of 1976, I took a wonderful 11000 mile trip flying the following routing:
EWR-ORF-ILM-ATL-MEM-LIT-FSM-TUL-OKC-DFW-OKC-DEN-CYS-CPR-SHR-BIL-HLN-BTM-MSO-GEG-SEA-PDX-SEA-HNL-LIH-HNL-MKK-LNY-OGG-MUE///ITO-KOA-OGG-HNL-LAX-SFO-ABQ-DEN-PUB-ALS-DRO
Ten different airlines and nine different aircraft types/models were flown upon. Here's the challenge - using your knowledge of airline routings and aircraft flown during the 1970s, can you identify which airlines and aircraft types I flew over this entire trip?
Here are some hints:
- Some of these flights are milk runs
- Two of the flights involve airline interchanges
- "///" means I traveled surface between MUE and ITO
- For the purposes of this question, I consider a 727-100 a different aircraft than a 727-200. I do not consider a 747-100 a different aircraft than a 747-200.
