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Old Feb 26, 16, 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post

OK. Honour is at stake here.....

But come on. If I say there was a Dan-Air scheduled 727-200 and it's wrong, I'll look foolish for ever after and have to resign from the thread.
Good heavens, sir! Perish the thought!
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Old Feb 26, 16, 10:39 am
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58. Only one airline offered a flight into Belfast, Northern Ireland aboard a 727-200. What airline was it?

Dan-Air on a 727-200 from Belfast International to London Gatwick. Possibly DA222 or similar flight number.

Right on, WHBM! (Took you long enough! ) Here's the schedule:

DA 226 LGW-BFS 1515 - 1630 72S Operates: Friday only
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Old Feb 26, 16, 11:21 am
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9:00pm here in Alaska. It's time for an ice cold Long Hammer IPA, some roasted almonds. It's also time to clear some of these questions off the board...


57. In 1987 there were three cities in the state of Nevada that benefitted from scheduled jet flights. Identify the three cities and the single airline that served all three of them.
PARTIALLY ANSWERED: The cities are Las Vegas, Reno and Elko. The airline wasn't United or Casino Express.

The airline was Royal West. It served LAS, RNO & EKO with a fleet of BAe-146 aircraft as well as a single 727-51 leased from Pacific Interstate Airlines (Picture HERE) Las Vegas and Reno saw service from a variety of predominantly Pacific coastal cities. Elko was served via a single daily nonstop from Las Vegas.

59. Back in 1969, Darwin, Australia was well served from Sydney with five nonstop flights per week, all of them operated with 707s from either BOAC or Qantas. In late 1987, passengers desiring to fly between SYD and DRW had a choice of two flights per week operated by a single airline. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.
HINT: It wasn't Qantas

The airline was Australian Airlines (the old TAA). Here's the schedule:

TN 52 SYD-DRW 1545 - 1835 733 Frequency: 47

68. (1987) Baghdad was a veritable hotbed of activity for fans of Boeing 707s. Indelaware and I have found eight airlines that operated scheduled 707 flights into Baghdad as of late 1987. Can you identify them?
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDAll but two have been identified. Those airlines are not regional mid-eastern airlines. See post #8464

Here's a list of the eight airlines:

Air China from PEK-SHJ-BGW
Alia Royal Jordanian
Biman Bangladesh FROM DAC-DXB-BGW
Egyptair
Iraqi Airways
JAT Yugoslavian
Korean Airlines
Sudan Airways

72. (1987) A thorough perusal of the OAG reveals nonstop service into Honolulu from fifteen different airports located on islands. Yes – this question has been asked before, but covering a different time period and, as the saying goes, times have changed. Can you identify the fifteen airports?
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDAll but one has been identified. See post #8463

Here's a list of the cities:

Apia - HA
Auckland - CP TE CO UA
Biak - GA
Christmas Island (Kiribati) - VK
Guam - CO HA
Johnson Island - CO
Majuro - CO
Manila - PR
Nagoya - JL
Nadi: TE CP QF
Pago Pago - HA
Papeete - Three airlines - the answer to #70
Taipei - CI
Tokyo - JL NW UA CI KE
Vancouver - CP TE CO QF

80. (1987) Three South American airlines fly DC-8-61/71s or DC-8-63/73s into Miami. Identify each airline and which South American airport each flies into Miami from.
PARTIALLY ANSWERED AeroPeru and Surinam Airways have been identified. We need just one more.

That would be LAP - Lineas Aeras Paraguayas

PZ 702 ASU-MIA 1520 - 2105 D8S Operates: 6
PZ 702 ASU-MIA 1730 - 2315 D8S Operates: 2

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Right on, Here's the schedule:

DA 226 LGW-BFS 1515 - 1630 72S Operates: Friday only
Well, I was just stringing it out for effect ..... I'll be interested to know when it came back.

No. But was that the last domestic scheduled flight in the British Isles that required a flight engineer and a 3-man crew ? No, there was one other route that continued so, for quite some years afterwards. So, bonus question, which service was that.

Let's see if we can help wrap up some of these others.

88. It's 1983 and you are in Fairbanks, Alaska and need to fly across the border to Whitehorse in Canada’s Yukon Territory. Four years earlier, yours truly flew this route aboard a Wien 737-200. How times have changed! These days a different airline offers a single daily nonstop between FAI and YXY. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDAir North has been identified as the airline of record. Now all we need is the aircraft type. It wasn't a DC-3, a DC4, an HS-748 or a Beech 99 See post #8475
This one's been bugging me. Was it an F-27 ?

67. (1987) All but two of the multitude of flights being operated between New York JFK/EWR and London by nine different airlines are operated with 747s. Identify the other two aircraft types you’ll find on this route and which airline(s) operated them.
HINT: One of the aircraft was an L-1011
The L1011 and ... Concorde. And were they both operated by BA ? They had a habit of slipping Tristars in to an otherwise all-747 schedule.

66. (1987) Identify the four airlines that operated nonstop 747 flights between Miami and London
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDPA, BA and VS have been identified. We're looking for just one more airline...
This route went through a range of secondary US airlines in the late 1980s, after Air Florida went under, none with much success (note there's still just one US carrier on the route today). One with a 747... Was it when Continental were having a go at it ?
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Old Feb 26, 16, 4:09 pm
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
Re. DA 226 LGW-BFS 1515 - 1630 72S Operates: Friday only

Well, I was just stringing it out for effect ..... I'll be interested to know when it came back.

What you said about this flight positioning for a charter made a lot of sense and yet - check out the return schedule:

DA 227 BFS-LGW 1715 - 1830 72S Operates Friday only

But was that the last domestic scheduled flight in the British Isles that required a flight engineer and a 3-man crew ? No, there was one other route that continued so, for quite some years afterwards. So, bonus question, which service was that.

Was this possibly operated with a Trident? Perhaps BEA's last flight with the type...

88. It's 1983 and you are in Fairbanks, Alaska and need to fly across the border to Whitehorse in Canada’s Yukon Territory. Four years earlier, yours truly flew this route aboard a Wien 737-200. How times have changed! These days a different airline offers a single daily nonstop between FAI and YXY. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.

This one's been bugging me. Was it an F-27 ?

It was indeed.

XG 889 FAI-YXY 815-1225 F27 Daily

I've found next to no information about the Alaska based Air North. The FAI-YXY route was the only one they used the F27 on.

https://aviation-safety.net/photos/d...&vnr=1&kind=PC

Some of Air North's heritage might be found via Yukon Air Service dba Air North, formed from Northern Airlines. This company ceased operations in 1984. Click HERE to see an old Air North ad. It's an ebay link so you can mouse over the ad for an impressive close-up.

67. (1987) All but two of the multitude of flights being operated between New York JFK/EWR and London by nine different airlines are operated with 747s. Identify the other two aircraft types you’ll find on this route and which airline(s) operated them.

The L1011 and ... Concorde. And were they both operated by BA ? They had a habit of slipping Tristars in to an otherwise all-747 schedule.

Spot on, Mr. M. And yes, BA was the airline of record in both cases. I was wondering why this one had taken so long to answer what with Concorde having operated another twenty years on...

66. (1987) Identify the four airlines that operated nonstop 747 flights between Miami and London
PARTIALLY ANSWERED PA, BA and VS have been identified. We're looking for just one more airline...

This route went through a range of secondary US airlines in the late 1980s, after Air Florida went under, none with much success (note there's still just one US carrier on the route today). One with a 747... Was it when Continental were having a go at it ?

Yes Sir! After the retirement of the original -124s, I don't know what year the 747 rejoined Continental's fleet. I do recall them picking up a couple of ex-Alitalia -100s in the 80s, and of course they absorbed the old People Express fleet in about '87.

In 1990 I flew aboard a really tired looking ex-People Express ex-________ airplane from LAX to SYD via HNL. I remember passengers commenting about some obvious metal patches around the entry door as we were boarding. The inside was a museum compared to Qantas or even United's models.

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Old Feb 26, 16, 11:43 pm
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9:00pm here in Alaska. It's time for an ice cold Long Hammer IPA, some roasted almonds. It's also time to clear some of these questions off the board...


57. In 1987 there were three cities in the state of Nevada that benefitted from scheduled jet flights. Identify the three cities and the single airline that served all three of them.
PARTIALLY ANSWERED: The cities are Las Vegas, Reno and Elko. The airline wasn't United or Casino Express.

The airline was Royal West. It served LAS, RNO & EKO with a fleet of BAe-146 aircraft as well as a single 727-51 leased from Pacific Interstate Airlines (Picture HERE) Las Vegas and Reno saw service from a variety of predominantly Pacific coastal cities. Elko was served via a single daily nonstop from Las Vegas.

59. Back in 1969, Darwin, Australia was well served from Sydney with five nonstop flights per week, all of them operated with 707s from either BOAC or Qantas. In late 1987, passengers desiring to fly between SYD and DRW had a choice of two flights per week operated by a single airline. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.
HINT: It wasn't Qantas

The airline was Australian Airlines (the old TAA). Here's the schedule:

TN 52 SYD-DRW 1545 - 1835 733 Frequency: 47

68. (1987) Baghdad was a veritable hotbed of activity for fans of Boeing 707s. Indelaware and I have found eight airlines that operated scheduled 707 flights into Baghdad as of late 1987. Can you identify them?
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDAll but two have been identified. Those airlines are not regional mid-eastern airlines. See post #8464

Here's a list of the eight airlines:

Air China from PEK-SHJ-BGW
Alia Royal Jordanian
Biman Bangladesh FROM DAC-DXB-BGW
Egyptair
Iraqi Airways
JAT Yugoslavian
Korean Airlines
Sudan Airways

72. (1987) A thorough perusal of the OAG reveals nonstop service into Honolulu from fifteen different airports located on islands. Yes – this question has been asked before, but covering a different time period and, as the saying goes, times have changed. Can you identify the fifteen airports?
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDAll but one has been identified. See post #8463

Here's a list of the cities:

Apia - HA
Auckland - CP TE CO UA
Biak - GA
Christmas Island (Kiribati) - VK
Guam - CO HA
Johnson Island - CO
Majuro - CO
Manila - PR
Nagoya - JL
Nadi: TE CP QF
Pago Pago - HA
Papeete - Three airlines - the answer to #70
Taipei - CI
Tokyo - JL NW UA CI KE
Vancouver - CP TE CO QF

80. (1987) Three South American airlines fly DC-8-61/71s or DC-8-63/73s into Miami. Identify each airline and which South American airport each flies into Miami from.
PARTIALLY ANSWERED AeroPeru and Surinam Airways have been identified. We need just one more.

That would be LAP - Lineas Aeras Paraguayas

PZ 702 ASU-MIA 1520 - 2105 D8S Operates: 6
PZ 702 ASU-MIA 1730 - 2315 D8S Operates: 2
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Old Feb 26, 16, 11:51 pm
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Here are the remaining questions.

Go get 'em, boys!


THE TIMELINE FOR THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS IS 1987

46. You are enjoying the sand and surf in sunny Nassau when the boss calls and says he needs you to fly up to cloudy Akron, Ohio A.S.A.P. Turning to your trusty pocket flight guide, you’re surprised and delighted to discover that a single two stop direct flight is offered in this market. Identify the airline, the aircraft utilized and the two enroute stops you’ll make along the way

47. During the latter half of 1987 only one airline was operating scheduled nonstop flights between Canada and San Juan, Puerto Rico. Flights operated twice weekly from a single Canadian city, but with a different aircraft type each day. Identify the airline, the Canadian city it departed from and the two different aircraft types operated on the route.

48. Following yet another hectic commute into the city on the Long Island Expressway, you’re pleasantly surprised when you find a message on your answering machine from an old business associate asking if you can join her for a weekend of sunshine and golf at the exclusive Greenbrier Resort in White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia. A quick call to your travel agent reveals a thrice weekly jet flight from JFK into the nearby airport at Greenbrier (LWB). Identify the airline and the aircraft used on this flight.

49. If you wanted to fly out of Bakersfield, California aboard a McDonnell-Douglas DC-9-10, only one airline fits the bill with a single daily flight. Identify that airline and the city you’d be flying to.

51. Five airlines operate mainline jet service between Long Island’s MacArthur Airport (ISP) and the three Washington DC area airports. Three airlines serve Washington Dulles (IAD), one serves Washington National (DCA) and one serves Baltimore (BWI). Identify each airline and the airport it serves.

52. You’ve just won a porcupine grooming contest in Fredericksburg, Virginia! Awright!! Your prize: a pair of new gloves and a long weekend at the Hilton Rose Hall in Montego Bay, Jamaica. Unfortunately your prize doesn’t include airfare from your home in Alexandria, Virginia to Jamaica. Well, dang! Further complicating your travel plans is that your wife refuses to fly on Air Jamaica. It’s a long story… Imagine then your surprise and delight upon discovering an airline that flies nonstop between Washington Dulles and Montego Bay twice weekly on Thursdays and Sundays. The southbound flight on Thursday is operated in an all economy configuration while the northbound flight on Sunday uses a different aircraft type and offers both First Class and Coach. Identify the airline and the respective aircraft it employs on each flight.

55. Fresh off a snowy week of work in Edmonton, Alberta, you’ve been informed that your next assignment lies south of the border – two borders, in fact – way down yonder in sunny Monterrey, Mexico. Fully expecting a convoluted itinerary involving multiple connections, you’re flabbergasted when your travel department informs you that there’s a direct flight making three enroute stops from Edmonton all the way down to Monterrey. Additionally there’s a change of equipment at the first stop, from a smaller aircraft to a larger one. Identify the airline, the enroute stops and the two aircraft to be flown along the way.

56. For a time in 1987, this airline operated the only direct, one stop service between Palm Springs, CA and Vancouver, BC. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.
A N S W E R E D

60. When it comes to travel from England, Canada is well served with eight cities receiving nonstop flights from London. Identify each Canadian city and the airline(s) providing nonstop service to it from London.

62. The only nonstop service between Gran Canaria in the Canary Islands and London Gatwick is via a single weekly 767 flight. Identify the airline.

63. Three airlines each operate a single daily flight between Boston and London. Each flight is operated with a different widebodied jetliner, each built by a different manufacturer. Identify each airline and the respective widebody it flew.

70. You’ve just spent a week in Hawaii. It’s been fun but, with a week left in your vacation you’d like to go somewhere a bit less touristy. But only a bit. How about Tahiti? Consulting your trusty OAG, you discover not one, not two but THREE airlines that offer nonstop service between Honolulu and Papeete. Identify each airline and the respective aircraft it operated on this route.

73. Egyptair operated a one stop flight twice a week between Cairo and New York JFK. Where was the enroute stop made and what type of aircraft was used?

75. This airline operated an L-1011 every day except Tuesday and Thursday between Brussels and New York JFK. Which airline is it?

77. A planned ski vacation in the Catskills is rudely interrupted when you receive a call on Friday afternoon informing you that your services are required in Monrovia, Liberia. As soon as possible, please. Right. A quick call to your company travel department reveals a First Class seat is available aboard this airline’s once weekly nonstop service, departing JFK on Saturday afternoon. Identify the airline and the equipment used.

81. If you were to fly into Orlando on a DC-8-61/63 operated by a foreign carrier, which airline would you be flying on and from which foreign airport would your flight have originated?

82. Per the 1987 schedule I reference for these questions, one airline operated three different types of widebody jets - each built by a different manufacturer - into Montego Bay, Jamaica. Identify that airline and the three types it operated into MBJ.
A N S W E R E D

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57. In 1987 there were three cities in the state of Nevada that benefitted from scheduled jet flights. Identify the three cities and the single airline that served all three of them.
PARTIALLY ANSWERED: [COLOR="Blue"]The cities are Las Vegas, Reno and Elko. The airline wasn't United or Casino Express.

The airline was Royal West. It served LAS, RNO & EKO with a fleet of BAe-146 aircraft as well as a single 727-51 leased from Pacific Interstate Airlines (Picture HERE) Las Vegas and Reno saw service from a variety of predominantly Pacific coastal cities. Elko was served via a single daily nonstop from Las Vegas.
Ah, but was this LAS-EKO flight operated with a 727 or 146? And out of curiosity, what month was this in 1987? BTW, I remember seeing a Royal West 146 at BUR back in the day being readied for departure to LAS.
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82. Per the 1987 schedule I reference for these questions, one airline operated three different types of widebody jets - each built by a different manufacturer - into Montego Bay, Jamaica. Identify that airline and the three types it operated into MBJ.
Well, what the heck......here's yet another wild guess:

Pan Am operating A300, B747 and L-1011 aircraft.
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57. In 1987 there were three cities in the state of Nevada that benefitted from scheduled jet flights. Identify the three cities and the single airline that served all three of them.

The airline was Royal West. It served LAS, RNO & EKO with a fleet of BAe-146 aircraft as well as a single 727-51 leased from Pacific Interstate Airlines (Picture HERE) Las Vegas and Reno saw service from a variety of predominantly Pacific coastal cities. Elko was served via a single daily nonstop from Las Vegas.

Ah, but was this LAS-EKO flight operated with a 727 or 146? And out of curiosity, what month was this in 1987? BTW, I remember seeing a Royal West 146 at BUR back in the day being readied for departure to LAS.

I must admit to holding back a bit on this answer because I saw potential for some future questions, so I kept it to the basics. Suffice it to say that The LAS-EKO flight was operated by the 146. So far as I can tell, the 727 was used only between LAX, LAS and JFK. The OAG is from the first half of 1987.

Here's the schedule on Las Vegas to Elko r/t:

YM 151 LAS-EKO 745p - 900p 146 Daily
YM 511 EKO-LAS 1100a - 1220p 146 Daily

That's quite a long layover in little Elko. I can't find any evidence of scheduled flights with YM into/out of there besides these though...

82. Per the 1987 schedule I reference for these questions, one airline operated three different types of widebody jets - each built by a different manufacturer - into Montego Bay, Jamaica. Identify that airline and the three types it operated into MBJ.

Well, what the heck......here's yet another wild guess: Pan Am operating A300, B747 and L-1011 aircraft.

I like it - except the L15. I'm not so sure that PA ever operated those in the Caribbean... did they?

In any event, given a full sized L-1011, you've got all the aircraft right but the wrong airline. Which one izzit?!

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82. Perhaps this was Air Jamaica.
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82. Perhaps this was Air Jamaica.

Perhaps, indeed. I have a postcard of a 747 wearing a hybrid Aer Lingus/Air Jamaica livery. Ugly airplane. I would love to have seen it wearing only the Air Jamaica livery but unfortunately that never happened.

Air Jamaica actually placed an order for a pair of L-1011s back in the late 60s. That order was never taken up and the airline ended up leasing one instead. I believe the A300s were also leased (JM also operated the A310, though it doesn't show up in my schedules) Here's a sampling of schedules involving these three aircraft...

JM 040 BWI-MBJ 925a - 1225p L10 Operates: 1567 Note: All Y class

JM 054 LAX-MBJ 1130p - 700a AB3 Operates: 567

JM 010 JFK-MBJ 1015a - 100p 747 Operates: Daily
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56. For a time in 1987, this airline operated the only direct, one stop service between Palm Springs, CA and Vancouver, BC. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.
HINT: It wasn't Western but it was operated with a twinjet
56. Let's go with American operating a former Air Cal B737-200 via San Jose (SJC).
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Perhaps, indeed. I have a postcard of a 747 wearing a hybrid Aer Lingus/Air Jamaica livery. Ugly airplane. I would love to have seen it wearing only the Air Jamaica livery but unfortunately that never happened.
They leased an Aer Lingus 747 for a few months (so not worth proper repainting) over the winter 86-87, when that had to go back they got one from Tower Air, which lasted through the following winter. These were the only 747 operations Air Jamaica had. The aircraft would have operated with crews from the supplying airline.

I don't see they ever operated the L1011 Tristar themselves, but they did a lot of leasing-in over time. Wonder who did it for them. All-economy looks like a charter-configured aircraft. American Trans Air maybe ?

But was that the last domestic scheduled flight in the British Isles that required a flight engineer and a 3-man crew ? No, there was one other route that continued so, for quite some years afterwards. So, bonus question, which service was that.

Was this possibly operated with a Trident? Perhaps BEA's last flight with the type...
No, the last Trident ran in 1985, a nice little finale where the last two aircraft in the fleet touched down absolutely simultaneously on the two parallel runways at Heathrow, one an enthusiast's final charter and the other from Manchester. Furthermore the Trident had a crew of three but didn't have a flight engineer, all three were pilots, something from BEA days. No, that last domestic operation had proper flight engineers. A bit of a clue, the aircraft involved has been mentioned in recent posts here.
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Air Jamaica......

I don't see they ever operated the L1011 Tristar themselves, but they did a lot of leasing-in over time. Wonder who did it for them. All-economy looks like a charter-configured aircraft. American Trans Air maybe ?
I've wondered about this myself. The Dec. 15, 1989 OAG lists nonstops operated by JM from both KIN (once a week) and MBJ (twice a week) to LAX with both services flown with the Tristar. But was Air Jamaica really the operator of these L10 flights? I don't have a clue.
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