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Old Feb 24, 16, 7:31 am
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
65. This airline operates more 727-200s into London Heathrow than any other.
as I remember, there weren't altogether that many European carriers to take delivery of more than a dozen or so 72S jets ... how about Iberia?

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66. Identify the four airlines that operated nonstop 747 flights between Miami and London.
I'm kind of surprised our London colleague hasn't weighed in on this ...
I'll start with Pan Am (since we know from Q61 they didn't have TriStar 500s at LHR), and BA is of course a likely suspect at LHR also; Virgin Atlantic also seems reasonable as I believe MIA was one of their first destinations (service from LGW); drawing a total blank on #4, but maybe Tower Air tried the MIA-LHR route for a short time?
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WN to Cuba?

I had jokingly commented in a recent post that airfares between the U.S. and Cuba might become more affordable due to a possible "Southwest Effect", i.e. WN initiating new service to Cuba. Pure speculation on my part, of course, with no basis in fact at the time.

Well, Southwest CEO Gary Kelly has now stated that WN may begin service to Cuba this year via comments he recently made to the Dallas Morning News. The article also stated that any possible new international service could not be flown by Southwest (or by any carrier, for that matter) from Dallas Love Field as such scheduled international passenger flights from DAL are apparently prohibited (score one, perhaps, for AA). However, Houston Hobby Airport was mentioned. And, of course, HOU does have a bright and shiny new international terminal which I believe was recently constructed by Southwest (much to the apparent dismay of UA).

Stay tuned, amigos......
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76. Identify the two U.S. airlines that flew between New York JFK and Oslo Gardermoen GEN
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDNorthwest has been identified as one of the airlines...

Any chance this was a Tower Air 747, who had a shot at Oslo for a short while?

There's an excellent chance of this, WHBM. A 100% chance in fact! Here's the schedule:

FF 34 JFK-GEN 2359 - 1330 CY 747 Operates: Sunday only

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65. This airline operates more 727-200s into London Heathrow than any other.

As I remember, there weren't altogether that many European carriers to take delivery of more than a dozen or so 72S jets ... how about Iberia?

The 727 was operated by all of the national airlines from the four major southern European countries. However, per the schedule I have available to me, very few 727s from these airlines were operated into LHR - especially compared to the airline that operated the most.

Please - guess again!

66. Identify the four airlines that operated nonstop 747 flights between Miami and London.

I'm kind of surprised our London colleague hasn't weighed in on this ... I'll start with Pan Am (since we know from Q61 they didn't have TriStar 500s at LHR), and BA is of course a likely suspect at LHR also; Virgin Atlantic also seems reasonable as I believe MIA was one of their first destinations (service from LGW); drawing a total blank on #4, but maybe Tower Air tried the MIA-LHR route for a short time?

You're off to a great start, J! Pan Am, British Airways and Virgin Atlantic are all correct. Given Tower's presence at MIA, they're an excellent guess as well - though in this case an incorrect one. It was a different airline...Now then... which one was it?
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This new batch of questions focuses on schedules from the 1980s.

Over the course of our last batch of questions, the OTAQ&D thread had over 10000 hits. The interest is certainly out there. Thanks again to all of our core participants and welcome aboard to any and all who care to step in and attempt an answer or two.

While our core participants are all familiar with this by now, I would like to reiterate that we please limit our responses to no more than two or three questions at a time so that any and all – be they first time participants or regulars - might have an equal opportunity to participate.

BTW, though rare - mistakes occasionally happen. Please feel free to speak up. If, for example, I've said there are eight Canadian cities receiving nonstop flights from London and you think there are nine, I'm happy to check my schedules for you, up to and including transcribing or photographing those schedules. Keep in mind that I am limited to the schedules I have available. For example, an autumn schedule I'm referencing may not reflect a flight operated on a seasonal winter schedule.

THE TIMELINE FOR THE FOLLOWING 35 QUESTIONS IS 1987
LET'S CLEAR THESE PARTIALLY ANSWERED QUESTIONS OFF THE BOARD!!


46. You are enjoying the sand and surf in sunny Nassau when the boss calls and says he needs you to fly up to cloudy Akron, Ohio A.S.A.P. Turning to your trusty pocket flight guide, you’re surprised and delighted to discover that a single two stop direct flight is offered in this market. Identify the airline, the aircraft utilized and the two enroute stops you’ll make along the way

47. During the latter half of 1987 only one airline was operating scheduled nonstop flights between Canada and San Juan, Puerto Rico. Flights operated twice weekly from a single Canadian city, but with a different aircraft type each day. Identify the airline, the Canadian city it departed from and the two different aircraft types operated on the route.

48. Following yet another hectic commute into the city on the Long Island Expressway, you’re pleasantly surprised when you find a message on your answering machine from an old business associate asking if you can join her for a weekend of sunshine and golf at the exclusive Greenbrier Resort in White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia. A quick call to your travel agent reveals a thrice weekly jet flight from JFK into the nearby airport at Greenbrier (LWB). Identify the airline and the aircraft used on this flight.

49. If you wanted to fly out of Bakersfield, California aboard a McDonnell-Douglas DC-9-10, only one airline fits the bill with a single daily flight. Identify that airline and the city you’d be flying to.

51. Five airlines operate mainline jet service between Long Island’s MacArthur Airport (ISP) and the three Washington DC area airports. Three airlines serve Washington Dulles (IAD), one serves Washington National (DCA) and one serves Baltimore (BWI). Identify each airline and the airport it serves.

52. You’ve just won a porcupine grooming contest in Fredericksburg, Virginia! Awright!! Your prize: a pair of new gloves and a long weekend at the Hilton Rose Hall in Montego Bay, Jamaica. Unfortunately your prize doesn’t include airfare from your home in Alexandria, Virginia to Jamaica. Well, dang! Further complicating your travel plans is that your wife refuses to fly on Air Jamaica. It’s a long story… Imagine then your surprise and delight upon discovering an airline that flies nonstop between Washington Dulles and Montego Bay twice weekly on Thursdays and Sundays. The southbound flight on Thursday is operated in an all economy configuration while the northbound flight on Sunday uses a different aircraft type and offers both First Class and Coach. Identify the airline and the respective aircraft it employs on each flight.

54. At present the Seattle to Portland route is served by Alaska/Horizon, Delta and United. Turboprops handle 80% of the flights. Back in 1987 there were 13 airlines operating mainline jet equipment on this 129 mile route. How many of them can you identify?
A N S W E R E D

55. Fresh off a snowy week of work in Edmonton, Alberta, you’ve been informed that your next assignment lies south of the border – two borders, in fact – way down yonder in sunny Monterrey, Mexico. Fully expecting a convoluted itinerary involving multiple connections, you’re flabbergasted when your travel department informs you that there’s a direct flight making three enroute stops from Edmonton all the way down to Monterrey. Additionally there’s a change of equipment at the first stop, from a smaller aircraft to a larger one. Identify the airline, the enroute stops and the two aircraft to be flown along the way.

56. For a time in 1987, this airline operated the only direct, one stop service between Palm Springs, CA and Vancouver, BC. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.
HINT: It wasn't Western but it was operated with a twinjet

57. In 1987 there were three cities in the state of Nevada that benefitted from scheduled jet flights. Identify the three cities and the single airline that served all three of them.
HINT: It wasn't United or Casino Express

58. Only one airline offered a flight into Belfast, Northern Ireland aboard a 727-200. What airline was it?
A N S W E R E D

59. Back in 1969, Darwin, Australia was well served from Sydney with five nonstop flights per week, all of them operated with 707s from either BOAC or Qantas. In late 1987, passengers desiring to fly between SYD and DRW had a choice of two flights per week operated by a single airline. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.
HINT: It wasn't Qantas

60. When it comes to travel from England, Canada is well served with eight cities receiving nonstop flights from London. Identify each Canadian city and the airline(s) providing nonstop service to it from London.

62. The only nonstop service between Gran Canaria in the Canary Islands and London Gatwick is via a single weekly 767 flight. Identify the airline.

63. Three airlines each operate a single daily flight between Boston and London. Each flight is operated with a different widebodied jetliner, each built by a different manufacturer. Identify each airline and the respective widebody it flew.

65. This airline operates more 727-200s into London Heathrow than any other.
A N S W E R E D

66. Identify the four airlines that operated nonstop 747 flights between Miami and London
A N S W E R E D

67. All but two of the multitude of flights being operated between New York JFK/EWR and London by nine different airlines are operated with 747s. Identify the other two aircraft types you’ll find on this route and which airline(s) operated them.
A N S W E R E D

68. Baghdad was a veritable hotbed of activity for fans of Boeing 707s. Indelaware and I have found eight airlines that operated scheduled 707 flights into Baghdad as of late 1987. Can you identify them?
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDAll but two have been identified. Those airlines are not regional mid-eastern airlines. See post #8464

70. You’ve just spent a week in Hawaii. It’s been fun but, with a week left in your vacation you’d like to go somewhere a bit less touristy. But only a bit. How about Tahiti? Consulting your trusty OAG, you discover not one, not two but THREE airlines that offer nonstop service between Honolulu and Papeete. Identify each airline and the respective aircraft it operated on this route.

72. A thorough perusal of the OAG reveals nonstop service into Honolulu from fifteen different airports located on islands. Yes – this question has been asked before, but covering a different time period and, as the saying goes, times have changed. Can you identify the fifteen airports?
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDAll but one has been identified. See post #8463

73. Egyptair operated a one stop flight twice a week between Cairo and New York JFK. Where was the enroute stop made and what type of aircraft was used?

75. This airline operated an L-1011 every day except Tuesday and Thursday between Brussels and New York JFK. Which airline is it?

77. A planned ski vacation in the Catskills is rudely interrupted when you receive a call on Friday afternoon informing you that your services are required in Monrovia, Liberia. As soon as possible, please. Right. A quick call to your company travel department reveals a First Class seat is available aboard this airline’s once weekly nonstop service, departing JFK on Saturday afternoon. Identify the airline and the equipment used.

80. Three South American airlines fly DC-8-61/71s or DC-8-63/73s into Miami. Identify each airline and which South American airport each flies into Miami from.
PARTIALLY ANSWERED AeroPeru and Surinam Airways have been identified. We need just one more.

81. If you were to fly into Orlando on a DC-8-61/63 operated by a foreign carrier, which airline would you be flying on and from which foreign airport would your flight have originated?

82. Per the 1987 schedule I reference for these questions, one airline operated three different types of widebody jets - each built by a different manufacturer - into Montego Bay, Jamaica. Identify that airline and the three types it operated into MBJ.


88. (1983) You are in Fairbanks, Alaska and need to fly across the border to Whitehorse in Canada’s Yukon Territory. Four years earlier, yours truly flew this route aboard a Wien 737-200. How times have changed! These days a different airline offers a single daily nonstop between FAI and YXY. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.
A N S W E R E D

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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post

B]54[/B]. At present the Seattle to Portland route is served by Alaska/Horizon, Delta and United. Turboprops handle 80% of the flights. Back in 1987 there were 13 airlines operating mainline jet equipment on this 129 mile route. How many of them can you identify?
PARTIALLY ANSWERED All but one airline has been identified. See posts #8425 and 8428

65. This airline operates more 727-200s into London Heathrow than any other.
54. I was tempted to guess Republic (RC); however, let's go with America West (HP) with a B737-200 instead.

65. Wild guess time: Pan Am.
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54. At present the Seattle to Portland route is served by Alaska/Horizon, Delta and United. Turboprops handle 80% of the flights. Back in 1987 there were 13 airlines operating mainline jet equipment on this 129 mile route. How many of them can you identify?

I was tempted to guess Republic (RC); however, let's go with America West (HP) with a B737-200 instead.

Yes!!! Good on ya, JL! Thanks for finally finishing this one off!

65. This airline operates more 727-200s into London Heathrow than any other.

Wild guess time: Pan Am.

Not so wild. In fact, spot on. Per the 1987 schedule I reference Pan Am served Amsterdam, Brussels, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich and Oslo with 72S equipment from LHR. Some of these flights continued on to other destinations such as Berlin and Helsinki.
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65. Yep, I finally remembered this classic "change of gauge" service operated by Pan Am with the B727-200 in Europe. As we have previously discussed, PA operated the B737-200 in the same type of service in Europe as well.

And if memory serves me correctly, I think TWA and United also operated 72S aircraft in "change of gauge" services in Europe. WHBM, please correct me if my memory is faulty!
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... if memory serves me correctly, I think TWA and United also operated 72S aircraft in "change of gauge" services in Europe. WHBM, please correct me if my memory is faulty!
TW certainly did ...
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65. Yep, I finally remembered this classic "change of gauge" service operated by Pan Am with the B727-200 in Europe. As we have previously discussed, PA operated the B737-200 in the same type of service in Europe as well.

And if memory serves me correctly, I think TWA and United also operated 72S aircraft in "change of gauge" services in Europe. WHBM, please correct me if my memory is faulty!
Per the OAG I've referenced for this question, there were no Pan Am 737-200 operations out of London (LHR) in late 1987. I think perhaps those 73S flights may have been a few years earlier...?

United of course purchased Pan Am's London routes in 1990 and so took over those intra-European flights out of LHR, though to what extent they kept all of PA's 1990 LHR-Europe routes versus expanding into other cities later on I don't know.
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65. Yep, I finally remembered this classic "change of gauge" service operated by Pan Am with the B727-200 in Europe. As we have previously discussed, PA operated the B737-200 in the same type of service in Europe as well.

And if memory serves me correctly, I think TWA and United also operated 72S aircraft in "change of gauge" services in Europe. WHBM, please correct me if my memory is faulty!
Per the OAG I've referenced for this question, there were no Pan Am 737-200 operations out of London (LHR) in late 1987. I think perhaps those 73S flights may have been a few years earlier...?

United of course purchased Pan Am's London routes in 1990 and so took over those intra-European flights out of LHR, though to what extent they kept all of PA's 1990 LHR-Europe routes versus expanding into other cities later on I don't know.
I don't believe Pan Am scheduled any of their German-based 737s over to London, but used all 727s to the end, dating back to when 727-100s were the German type. The corridor services radiated from Berlin, but the maintenance base for this fleet was at Frankfurt, and the 727s which came through London linked here and some other principally German cities, in what was a rather loose hub arrangement at Heathrow. Their aircraft used to be scattered each morning all over various Terminal 3 stands, rather than being grouped together, and the 727s (and United's later as well) as often as not were on the remote stands facing the north runway with transfer bus to/from the terminal, an arrangement which I know those from the US LOVE

Pan Am sold their European routes in two separate parts, the Heathrow routes to United (though not Miami, which had to transfer to Gatwick), and the rest, principally based on Frankfurt, to Delta immediately after their bankruptcy. As Perestroika came along at the same time the Berlin routes had been sold to Lufthansa the moment this was possible. If I remember correctly they got more for the Heathrow routes than was paid for all the rest added together.

United maintained a couple of tag-ons from Heathrow for some time, the last one to Brussels with a 767, only stopping a few years ago. I can recall United 727s there for a short while after the changeover, I don't believe the TWA European fleet were scheduled in there, and Delta would not have been permitted. Somewhat earlier, US 727 charter operators like American Flyers used to be summer regulars at Gatwick, but these had pretty much disappeared by the late 1980s.

If you read Alex Frater's book "Beyond the Blue Horizon", his stop-everywhere journey from the UK to Australia in 1984, he travelled from Rome to Athens on a TWA 727, which was to connect with the incoming 747 from JFK, but which was so late that day that the 727 was sent off to time with just four passengers, originating from Rome, on board.

Right at the start of ETOPS with twins across the Atlantic, when any engine issue meant diversion into absolutely the nearest available airport, a Pan Am A310 got a failure off Scotland, and diverted into Stornoway in the Scottish Western Isles, the nearest although obscure point with a 7,000 foot runway. This was soon followed by a Pan Am 727 from Frankfurt with engineers and customer service personnel, a Monarch A300 (of all things) chartered on the spot from London Luton to get the passengers onward to destination, and then a commercial C-130 with a spare engine. It must have been Stornoway's finest hour; at the time the ramp typically held maybe a BA HS748 and a Cessna !

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58. Only one airline offered a flight into Belfast, Northern Ireland aboard a 727-200. What airline was it?
This one has me musing. I know that JAT did summer holiday flights from there to Yugoslavia with them for many years, but these were not in the OAG, likewise Dan-Air's holiday flights on the type. I'll have a complete guess at Iberia, to Barcelona.
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58. Only one airline offered a flight into Belfast, Northern Ireland aboard a 727-200. What airline was it?

This one has me musing. I know that JAT did summer holiday flights from there to Yugoslavia with them for many years, but these were not in the OAG, likewise Dan-Air's holiday flights on the type. I'll have a complete guess at Iberia, to Barcelona.

Given the OAG as our reference, we are indeed looking only for scheduled flights. Again, the flight in question was the only scheduled 727-200 into BFS. It was a short flight, too (1515 - 1630) with no change of time zone...

If you read Alex Frater's book "Beyond the Blue Horizon", his stop-everywhere journey from the UK to Australia in 1984, he travelled from Rome to Athens on a TWA 727, which was to connect with the incoming 747 from JFK, but which was so late that day that the 727 was sent off to time with just four passengers, originating from Rome, on board.

It is tempting to revisit the old 1939 schedule between Southampton and Sydney viv-a-vis the flights reflected in my 1987 OAG. Someday... A quick check shows no more service between Southampton and France. That's unfortunate as that Cambrian Airways Viscount was a great way to get this trip started.

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58. Only one airline offered a flight into Belfast, Northern Ireland aboard a 727-200. What airline was it?

This one has me musing. I know that JAT did summer holiday flights from there to Yugoslavia with them for many years, but these were not in the OAG, likewise Dan-Air's holiday flights on the type. I'll have a complete guess at Iberia, to Barcelona.
Given the OAG as our reference, we are indeed looking only for scheduled flights. Again, the flight in question was the only scheduled 727-200 into BFS. It was a short flight, too (1515 - 1630) with no change of time zone...
OK. Honour is at stake here. A flight of 75 minutes sounds like a UK domestic. The only UK airline with 727-200s then (and pretty much any time) was Dan-Air. And we all know Dan-Air only used them on holiday flights and charters.

Don't we ?

But then a 75 minute jet flight takes you from Belfast to London, not really anywhere else. Now the Heathrow flights were in the hands of BA (still) and British Midland, the latter having moved from Gatwick when allowed. So who had replaced that old British Midland Viscount service from Gatwick to Belfast ?

Dan-Air.

And what schedule time did they used to allow for the flight ?

75 minutes. That was of course with One-Elevens, and even BAe146s. In fact it seems they allowed everything 75 minutes. Which given their propensity to change aircraft types at will, was probably reasonable.

And who used to run holiday flights from Belfast to the Med ?

Dan-Air.

So if they were somehow ferrying the aircraft back and forth between their Gatwick base and BFS, they could use this service. And possibly even advertise the aircraft type. It would be good to know what days of the week it ran, and what the times were the other way.

But come on. If I say there was a Dan-Air scheduled 727-200 and it's wrong, I'll look foolish for ever after and have to resign from the thread.

But then again, look at all that "Danno" stuff up above. Was this some sort of cryptic clue ? OK then, go for it.

Dan-Air on a 727-200 from Belfast International to London Gatwick. Possibly DA222 or similar flight number.
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Per the OAG I've referenced for this question, there were no Pan Am 737-200 operations out of London (LHR) in late 1987. I think perhaps those 73S flights may have been a few years earlier...?
Yep, I did not include a time line with my comment (as I did not remember exactly when Pan Am actually operated the Boeing 737-200 into London Heathrow); I merely mentioned they did do so at one point.

And you are correct: PA did operate 73S service from LHR a few years earlier, in 1985 to be a bit more precise, according to their fall timetable at the time.

Here are a couple of sched examples involving no less than three different aircraft types being operated by Pan Am with the same through service flight number......

PA 2: Corpus Christi (CRP) 11:25a - 12:35p Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) 1:05p - 5:13p New York (JFK) 7:00p - 6:40a London (LHR) 9:55a - 12:00n Amsterdam (AMS) 12:35p - 1:35p Hamburg (HAM)
Op: Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays only
Equip: B727-200 CRP-DFW-JFK, B747 JFK-LHR, B737-200 LHR-AMS-HAM
Note: No local traffic permitted LHR-AMS

PA 2: Corpus Christi (CRP) 11:25a - 12:35p Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) 1:05p - 5:13p New York (JFK) 7:00p - 6:40a London (LHR) 9:55a - 12:20p Hamburg (HAM)
Op: Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays only
Equip: B727-200 CRP-DFW-JFK, B747 JFK-LHR, B737-200 LHR-HAM

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