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Old Feb 21, 16, 3:50 pm
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London (LHR) to Rio de Janeiro (GIG) Depart: 2240 Arrive: 0810
That's one of the pair of -500s. Other Tristars didn't have the range.

Here's one of the pair leaving Heathrow for Bogota, Colombia in 1987. Some years later the favour was returned and some of the BA mainstream Tristars were leased long term to Air Lanka.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Briti...1b29c043a41d64

Air North does indeed still operate the venerable HS-748. In 1983 however, the aircraft shown to be operating nonstop between Fairbanks and Whitehorse is not the 748.
According to my notes here the first 748 that Air North got was later, in 1996, when they bought a couple from New Zealand, which they still operate 20 years later (do you ever see them S2A ?). They are coming up to 50 years old, which is some going. The 748 had a tremendous following in northern Canada, only reduced though not eliminated in recent years, because its undercarriage design suited gravel, ice or unmade runways better than just about any other type of aircraft this size.

Having looked at those notes (and courtesy of an Excel sort), out of over 60 of the aircraft operated in Canada over time, very many of which were passed on from one northern operator to the next, only one of them had ever been bought new by a Canadian airline. Real obscure bonus question, any guess by whom ?

concerning the long range Lockheed L-1011 series 500 Tristar, I seem to recall that BA operated the type into MSY at one point . I think the routing was London-New Orleans-Mexico City.
Had one flight on these, the original BA order. Summer 1982 and it was London-Seattle-Vancouver. We just stayed on board at Seattle (wouldn't get away with that nowadays) before the continuation, which I presume BA did not have traffic rights on. BA were just being late starters to the upper west coast, which nowadays has separate nonstop 747s to both places. It was only about a 30 minute tag flight, but this is BA and we departed about 4pm local time - so, even in Y, up came Afternoon Tea. Couple of sandwiches, slices of bread and butter with a little pot of jam, piece of chocolate cake, cup of tea (only time of day I drink the stuff). Just like when I used to get home from school, long ago and far away. Ah, the good old BOAC service traditions were a long time dying.

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Old Feb 21, 16, 3:51 pm
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50- I recall PBA (Provincetown-Boston Airways) with a number of DC-3 flights around south Florida ... that certainly satisfies both of the "well known" criteria
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
72. A thorough perusal of the OAG reveals nonstop service into Honolulu from fifteen different airports located on islands. Yes this question has been asked before, but covering a different time period and, as the saying goes, times have changed. Can you identify the fifteen airports?
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDAll but two have been identified. See post #8424

We are looking for the last two nonstops to HNL from airports on islands NOT in the state of Hawaii

"on the Air Mike network" ... the second closest island would be Majuro

"served by a DC-8" ... most likely a long-range DC-8-62 in JAL livery; we've identified Tokyo, Osaka, and Nagoya ... how about Okinawa?


Majuro is correct!

An interesting consideration on the JAL DC-8 but no - it wasn't JAL.

So - one down and one to go! Here's a hint: The DC-8 served a South Pacific destination.
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Re. Question 50 and the missing piston aircraft and airline between MIA and EYW:

I recall PBA (Provincetown-Boston Airways) with a number of DC-3 flights around south Florida ... that certainly satisfies both of the "well known" criteria

Dang - I made that hint too easy! Well done, J - Amazingly, Provincetown-Boston Airways (PT) operated 15 flights between MIA and EYW, all but two of them daily with the other two being X6 and X7.

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Originally Posted by Indelaware View Post
68. Baghdad was a veritable hotbed of activity for fans of Boeing 707s. Indelaware and I have found eight airlines that operated scheduled 707 flights into Baghdad as of late 1987. Can you identify them?

Here what we know so far...

1 Egypt Air Correct! From CAI
2 Iraqi Airways Correct! From CAI, DAC, FRA, KRT, FCO
3 JAT Correct! From BEG
4 Korean Airlines Correct! - From AUH
5 Royal Jordanian Correct! From AMM

Let's go with Sudan Air (they had one hijacked ex-SDA in 1985 or 1986) and Libyan Arab (although I was tempted to guess Air Algerie).

Sudan Air is correct, with nonstop once weekly service from Khartoum. ^

There was no nonstop or direct service to Baghdad from any city in either Libya or Algeria.

So - one down, two to go! (Hint: They are not airlines from the Mideastern region)
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
This new batch of questions focuses on schedules from the 1980s.

Over the course of our last batch of questions, the OTAQ&D thread had over 10000 hits. The interest is certainly out there. Thanks again to all of our core participants and welcome aboard to any and all who care to step in and attempt an answer or two.

While our core participants are all familiar with this by now, I would like to reiterate that we please limit our responses to no more than two or three questions at a time so that any and all – be they first time participants or regulars - might have an equal opportunity to participate.

BTW, though rare - mistakes occasionally happen. Please feel free to speak up. If, for example, I've said there are eight Canadian cities receiving nonstop flights from London and you think there are nine, I'm happy to check my schedules for you, up to and including transcribing or photographing those schedules. Keep in mind that I am limited to the schedules I have available. For example, an autumn schedule I'm referencing may not reflect a flight operated on a seasonal winter schedule.

THE TIMELINE FOR THE FOLLOWING 35 QUESTIONS IS 1987


46. You are enjoying the sand and surf in sunny Nassau when the boss calls and says he needs you to fly up to cloudy Akron, Ohio A.S.A.P. Turning to your trusty pocket flight guide, you’re surprised and delighted to discover that a single two stop direct flight is offered in this market. Identify the airline, the aircraft utilized and the two enroute stops you’ll make along the way

47. During the latter half of 1987 only one airline was operating scheduled nonstop flights between Canada and San Juan, Puerto Rico. Flights operated twice weekly from a single Canadian city, but with a different aircraft type each day. Identify the airline, the Canadian city it departed from and the two different aircraft types operated on the route.

48. Following yet another hectic commute into the city on the Long Island Expressway, you’re pleasantly surprised when you find a message on your answering machine from an old business associate asking if you can join her for a weekend of sunshine and golf at the exclusive Greenbrier Resort in White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia. A quick call to your travel agent reveals a thrice weekly jet flight from JFK into the nearby airport at Greenbrier (LWB). Identify the airline and the aircraft used on this flight.

49. If you wanted to fly out of Bakersfield, California aboard a McDonnell-Douglas DC-9-10, only one airline fits the bill with a single daily flight. Identify that airline and the city you’d be flying to.

51. Five airlines operate mainline jet service between Long Island’s MacArthur Airport (ISP) and the three Washington DC area airports. Three airlines serve Washington Dulles (IAD), one serves Washington National (DCA) and one serves Baltimore (BWI). Identify each airline and the airport it serves.

52. You’ve just won a porcupine grooming contest in Fredericksburg, Virginia! Awright!! Your prize: a pair of new gloves and a long weekend at the Hilton Rose Hall in Montego Bay, Jamaica. Unfortunately your prize doesn’t include airfare from your home in Alexandria, Virginia to Jamaica. Well, dang! Further complicating your travel plans is that your wife refuses to fly on Air Jamaica. It’s a long story… Imagine then your surprise and delight upon discovering an airline that flies nonstop between Washington Dulles and Montego Bay twice weekly on Thursdays and Sundays. The southbound flight on Thursday is operated in an all economy configuration while the northbound flight on Sunday uses a different aircraft type and offers both First Class and Coach. Identify the airline and the respective aircraft it employs on each flight.

54. At present the Seattle to Portland route is served by Alaska/Horizon, Delta and United. Turboprops handle 80% of the flights. Back in 1987 there were 13 airlines operating mainline jet equipment on this 129 mile route. How many of them can you identify?
PARTIALLY ANSWERED All but one airline has been identified. See posts #8425 and 8428

55. Fresh off a snowy week of work in Edmonton, Alberta, you’ve been informed that your next assignment lies south of the border – two borders, in fact – way down yonder in sunny Monterrey, Mexico. Fully expecting a convoluted itinerary involving multiple connections, you’re flabbergasted when your travel department informs you that there’s a direct flight making three enroute stops from Edmonton all the way down to Monterrey. Additionally there’s a change of equipment at the first stop, from a smaller aircraft to a larger one. Identify the airline, the enroute stops and the two aircraft to be flown along the way.

56. For a time in 1987, this airline operated the only direct, one stop service between Palm Springs, CA and Vancouver, BC. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.
HINT: It wasn't Western but it was operated with a twinjet

57. In 1987 there were three cities in the state of Nevada that benefitted from scheduled jet flights. Identify the three cities and the single airline that served all three of them.
HINT: It wasn't United or Casino Express

58. Only one airline offered a flight into Belfast, Northern Ireland aboard a 727-200. What airline was it?

59. Back in 1969, Darwin, Australia was well served from Sydney with five nonstop flights per week, all of them operated with 707s from either BOAC or Qantas. In late 1987, passengers desiring to fly between SYD and DRW had a choice of two flights per week operated by a single airline. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.
HINT: It wasn't Qantas

60. When it comes to travel from England, Canada is well served with eight cities receiving nonstop flights from London. Identify each Canadian city and the airline(s) providing nonstop service to it from London.

62. The only nonstop service between Gran Canaria in the Canary Islands and London Gatwick is via a single weekly 767 flight. Identify the airline.

63. Three airlines each operate a single daily flight between Boston and London. Each flight is operated with a different widebodied jetliner, each built by a different manufacturer. Identify each airline and the respective widebody it flew.

65. This airline operates more 727-200s into London Heathrow than any other.

66. Identify the four airlines that operated nonstop 747 flights between Miami and London

67. All but two of the multitude of flights being operated between New York JFK/EWR and London by nine different airlines are operated with 747s. Identify the other two aircraft types you’ll find on this route and which airline(s) operated them.
HINT: One of the aircraft was an L-1011

68. Baghdad was a veritable hotbed of activity for fans of Boeing 707s. Indelaware and I have found eight airlines that operated scheduled 707 flights into Baghdad as of late 1987. Can you identify them?
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDAll but two have been identified. See post #8464

70. You’ve just spent a week in Hawaii. It’s been fun but, with a week left in your vacation you’d like to go somewhere a bit less touristy. But only a bit. How about Tahiti? Consulting your trusty OAG, you discover not one, not two but THREE airlines that offer nonstop service between Honolulu and Papeete. Identify each airline and the respective aircraft it operated on this route.

72. A thorough perusal of the OAG reveals nonstop service into Honolulu from fifteen different airports located on islands. Yes – this question has been asked before, but covering a different time period and, as the saying goes, times have changed. Can you identify the fifteen airports?
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDAll but one has been identified. See post #8463

73. Egyptair operated a one stop flight twice a week between Cairo and New York JFK. Where was the enroute stop made and what type of aircraft was used?

75. This airline operated an L-1011 every day except Tuesday and Thursday between Brussels and New York JFK. Which airline is it?

76. Identify the two U.S. airlines that flew between New York JFK and Oslo GEN (Gardermoen)
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77. A planned ski vacation in the Catskills is rudely interrupted when you receive a call on Friday afternoon informing you that your services are required in Monrovia, Liberia. As soon as possible, please. Right. A quick call to your company travel department reveals a First Class seat is available aboard this airline’s once weekly nonstop service, departing JFK on Saturday afternoon. Identify the airline and the equipment used.

79. You’ve got business in Birmingham (BHX). Resigned to making a connection in either Heathrow or Gatwick, you’re surprised to find that there’s a once weekly direct (one-stop) flight departing New York’s Newark Airport every Friday evening. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, the aircraft and the intermediate stop.
A N S W E R E D

80. Three South American airlines fly DC-8-61/71s or DC-8-63/73s into Miami. Identify each airline and which South American airport each flies into Miami from.
PARTIALLY ANSWERED AeroPeru and Surinam Airways have been identified. We need just one more.

81. If you were to fly into Orlando on a DC-8-61/63 operated by a foreign carrier, which airline would you be flying on and from which foreign airport would your flight have originated?

82. Per the 1987 schedule I reference for these questions, one airline operated three different types of widebody jets - each built by a different manufacturer - into Montego Bay, Jamaica. Identify that airline and the three types it operated into MBJ.


THE TIMELINE FOR THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS IS 1983


86. Laredo, Texas enjoyed twice daily (except Saturday) jet service with nonstop flights from this single city. Identify the city, the airline and the aircraft operating these flights.
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88. You are in Fairbanks, Alaska and need to fly across the border to Whitehorse in Canada’s Yukon Territory. Four years earlier, yours truly flew this route aboard a Wien 737-200. How times have changed! These days a different airline offers a single daily nonstop between FAI and YXY. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDAir North has been identified as the airline of record. Now all we need is the aircraft type. It wasn't a DC-3, a DC4, an HS-748 or a Beech 99
See post #8475

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Old Feb 21, 16, 4:49 pm
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According to my notes here the first 748 that Air North got was later, in 1996, when they bought a couple from New Zealand, which they still operate 20 years later (do you ever see them S2A?). They are coming up to 50 years old, which is some going. The 748 had a tremendous following in northern Canada, only reduced though not eliminated in recent years, because its undercarriage design suited gravel, ice or unmade runways better than just about any other type of aircraft this size.

I saw Air North's HS-748 parked at FAI on a couple of occasions last Summer. Flying between Whitehorse and Fairbanks aboard Air North is an option for cruise passengers whose land packages have them disembarking at Skagway, traveling overland to Whitehorse via the WP&YR and bus and then continuing on to Fairbanks. (Or in reverse) Between Whitehorse and Fairbanks they can either travel by motorcoach - a 600 mile journey - or fly. Enough of them opt for the latter that we're more likely to see Air North's 737s in Fairbanks than the 748.
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86. Laredo, Texas enjoyed twice daily (except Saturday) jet service with nonstop flights from this single city. Identify the city, the airline and the aircraft operating these flights.


The except Saturday clue points to Southwest Airlines using the 737 as their only type flown except for some 727's leased from Braniff in the early 70's. I believe the model was -100. The flights were to/from Dallas Love Field as the airline was restricted to Texas and surrounding states due to the Wright Amendment.
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
80. Three South American airlines fly DC-8-61/71s or DC-8-63/73s into Miami. Identify each airline and which South American airport each flies into Miami from.
I know VARIG and VIASA operated various DC-8 aircraft, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if these are two of the three ... VARIG from Rio, VIASA from Caracas

the third ... how about Surinam Airways from Paramaribo
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I know VARIG and VIASA operated various DC-8 aircraft, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if these are two of the three ... VARIG from Rio, VIASA from Caracas

the third ... how about Surinam Airways from Paramaribo
I remember AeroPeru flying into MIA in the 80's from Lima, Peru on DC-8's, but I do not remember exactly when.
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Old Feb 21, 16, 6:31 pm
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Originally Posted by teddybear99 View Post
86. Laredo, Texas enjoyed twice daily (except Saturday) jet service with nonstop flights from this single city. Identify the city, the airline and the aircraft operating these flights.

The except Saturday clue points to Southwest Airlines using the 737 as their only type flown except for some 727's leased from Braniff in the early 70's. I believe the model was -100. The flights were to/from Dallas Love Field as the airline was restricted to Texas and surrounding states due to the Wright Amendment.

An excellent guess, TB99, but no - per the 1983 OAG I referenced for this question, Southwest is not shown as flying into Laredo. Additionally, the flights in question did not come out of either Dallas airport.

So - we're looking for a different airline. If it's of any help, both flights were operated with a twinjet powered by the ubiquitous Pratt & Whitney JT8D!
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80. Three South American airlines fly DC-8-61/71s or DC-8-63/73s into Miami. Identify each airline and which South American airport it flies into Miami from.

I know VARIG and VIASA operated various DC-8 aircraft, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if these are two of the three ... VARIG from Rio, VIASA from Caracas. The third ... how about Surinam Airways from Paramaribo

VARIG and VIASA did indeed operate DC-8s, but had long since divested their fleets of those aircraft by 1987. Don't hold me to this but I believe VARIG retired its last DC-8-33 in 1974 or 75. It never operated the stretched 61/63 model.

VIASA held on to its DC-8-63s a while longer but per the 1987 OAG I reference for this question there is no indication of any flights being operated into Caracas by VA with DC8 or D8S equipment. By then VIASA's long haul flights were operated with DC-10s and high traffic regional routes also saw A300s in addition to smaller aircraft such as the 727-200.

Now in Surinam Airways you've definitely picked a winner! Its DC-8-63s flew into Miami twice a week from Paramaribo - nonstop on Mondays and one stop service via Port Au Prince on Fridays.

One down - Two to go!
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I remember AeroPeru flying into MIA in the 80's from Lima, Peru on DC-8's, but I do not remember exactly when.

We're not talking college level exams here (Thank goodness or I'd've flunked out!) so this'll do. Your memory serves you well, teddybear99. AeroPeru operated both the DC-8-61 and DC-8-62. The OAG indicates that PL operated daily D8S flights between Lima and Miami. The flight operated nonstop five days a week (X16) and via Guayaquil and Panama City the other two days of the week.

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Re. Australian Cars:

BMC and it various incarnations made cars in Zetland, Sydney, and in other places, until about 1982. Some were the exactly same as UK and others were variations. Want a 6 cylinder (in line) 2 door Marina or a Mini Moke (1275cc & 12" wheels). Even the Mini K (for Kangaroo) was a little different to UK.

In terms of cars I see while walking around Australia these days, I could just as easily be walking around the U.S. what with all the predominantly Asian manufactured vehicles as well as Australian makes like Holden that look like most any US manufactured car (Of course, Holden is a subsidiary of GM).

Now back in the 70s and even into the 80s - particularly in rural areas - I remember seeing all kinds of older British cars such as Vauxhall, Morris, Land Rover, etc.. Tasmania in particular was like a living museum of 1950/60s era British automobiles.
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BMC and it various incarnations made cars in Zetland, Sydney, and in other places, until about 1982. Some were the exactly same as UK and others were variations. Want a 6 cylinder (in line) 2 door Marina or a Mini Moke (1275cc & 12" wheels). Even the Mini K (for Kangaroo) was a little different to UK.

In terms of cars I see while walking around Australia these days, I could just as easily be walking around the U.S. what with all the predominantly Asian manufactured vehicles as well as Australian makes like Holden that look like most any US manufactured car (Of course, Holden is a subsidiary of GM).

Now back in the 70s and even into the 80s - particularly in rural areas - I remember seeing all kinds of older British cars such as Vauxhall, Morris, Land Rover, etc.. Tasmania in particular was like a living museum of 1950/60s era British automobiles.
Yes, the UK manufacturers concentrated on the smaller cars, while Australian brands were the larger like Holden and Ford. It also seemed that many trucks, and almost all buses, from older times were British brands, quite a number shipped over secondhand after some years of service in the UK.

The concept of separate overseas assembly plants was widely used worldwide by BMC and others, in the 1960s even Ireland ran to its own assembly plant for Morris. Partly this was due to the cost of transporting full vehicles, partly to overcome additional taxes often levied on imported whole vehicles but not on components for assembly with local labour, but also to overcome the amount of damage that occurred with traditional shipping methods where they were just lifted on/off the decks of ships by crane. I read that the Land-Rover dealer in Zambia in the 1960s, who did import whole vehicles from the UK, never received a vehicle without significant damage that had to be fixed before sale, in a few cases they were beyond economical repair.

I visited Perth, Western Australia in 1999, and at the weekend right outside my hotel the MG Car Club of WA were holding their annual get-together. I couldn't believe how many MG sports cars were on hand, it would be difficult to get that many together in the UK. There was a whole row of 1930s MGs at the front, and numerous examples of what had been my first ever car, a white (originally) MG Midget of 1963. Ah, 966 FM, alas you were in a lot more corrosive atmosphere, and didn't last like these ones.
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88. Take four....

Air North operating a Beech 99 YXY-FAI.
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88. You are in Fairbanks, Alaska and need to fly across the border to Whitehorse in Canada’s Yukon Territory. Four years earlier, yours truly flew this route aboard a Wien 737-200. How times have changed! These days a different airline offers a single daily nonstop between FAI and YXY. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.
PARTIALLY ANSWERED Air North has been identified as the airline of record. Now all we need is the aircraft type. It wasn't a DC-3, a DC4 or an HS-748

Take four... Air North operating a Beech 99 YXY-FAI.

The current version of Air North (4N) operates a Beech 1900, but back in 1983 I see no evidence of a Beech 99 in the airline's schedules.

Remember a couple of posts back (#8458) I mentioned the airline code for the Air North we're looking for is XG? Back in 1983, there was no airline using the two-letter identifier 4N, the code currently used by Yukon based Air North.

So I did a little further investigation. Here's an interesting discovery I made in the process of delving into XG's schedules: The Air North we're looking for was apparently a Fairbanks, Alaska based airline. There's no Wikipedia entry for it though I did find a couple of references to it while trolling the internet.

In any event, a check of schedules out of Fairbanks indicates Air North operated a variety of aircraft to destinations all over interior Alaska. Consider the following routes:

Barter Island, AK to Fairbanks XG 862 11:15a - 1:45p DC-3 Freq. X67

Bettles, AK to Fairbanks XG 882 12:20p - 1:45p CNA Freq. X67

Circle Hot Springs, AK to Fairbanks XG 846 3:35p - 4:25p BNI Freq. 135

Ft. Yukon, AK to Fairbanks XG 806 2:30p - 3:30p DC-3 Daily

Whitehorse, YT to Fairbanks XG 890 4:10p - 4:20p _________ Daily

It appears the aircraft type used on the Whitehorse route was unique to that flight. It was larger than a DC-3 and it was a turboprop.

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