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Old Feb 20, 16, 4:08 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
61. A thorough perusal of the OAG has revealed six airlines that operated L-1011-500s into London in 1987. How many can you identify?

I can certainly guess six; whether they're the right ones remains to be seen:
  1. Air Canada Correct!
  2. Alia Royal Jordanian Correct!
  3. British Incorrect!
  4. Delta Correct!
  5. Pan Am Incorrect!
  6. TWA Incorrect!

I don't believe BA had taken delivery of its -500s as of 1987 and so far as I know, TWA never flew the -500. No Pan Am -500s show up on the schedule.

So - not a bad start and we're still looking for three more...
More responses to come. Got a plane to catch!
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And a lovely sight here in the LFT area just a few moments ago....

American Eagle 5626 on departure from our local airport chasing the sunset to DFW.

And the aircraft?

A Canadair CRJ900 operated by Mesa (and using the call sign "Air Shuttle").

So what's so special about this flight?

Ah, I'm glad you asked! For the very first time out of LFT on AA Eagle, we now actually have an airplane that has a first class cabin up front.

Finally! And we are looking forward to our flight on this aircraft in F!
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Old Feb 20, 16, 7:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
68. Baghdad was a veritable hotbed of activity for fans of Boeing 707s. I have found seven airlines that operated scheduled 707 flights into Baghdad as of late 1987. Can you identify them?
Here is a mix of know, educated guesses, and wild guesses:

1 Egypt Air
2 Iraqi Airways
3 JAT
4 Korean Airlines - which famously lost one on their SDA-AUH-BKK-ICN run to a North Korean bomb
5 Middle East Airlines
6 Royal Jordanian
7 Syrian Arab Airlines
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Old Feb 20, 16, 8:55 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
67. All but two of the multitude of flights being operated between New York JFK/EWR and London by nine different airlines are operated with 747s. Identify the other two aircraft types you’ll find on this route and which airline(s) operated them.

I'll guess BCAL and CO ran DC-10s, and at least one of TWA's flights was with a TriStar

Remember, we're talking a total of two flights here. Thus, no more than two airlines.

An L-1011 was one of the aircraft, but not in the service of TWA. As to the other aircraft/airline - we're still looking...

When I get home I think I'll post a photo of the NYC-LON schedule if only for entertainment purposes...

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Old Feb 20, 16, 9:13 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
56. For a time in 1987, this airline operated the only direct, one stop service between Palm Springs, CA and Vancouver, BC. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.

Western operating a B727-200 with an en route stop at SFO.

It should be noted that I haven't said specifically what month the OAG I referenced for these questions is from, but suffice it to say that it's post April 1st when the DL/WA merger was consolidated. As such, while Western is a good guess, the search continues for a different carrier...

57. In 1987 there were three cities in the state of Nevada that benefitted from scheduled jet flights. Identify the three cities and the single airline that served all three of them.

Wild guess time (and probably incorrect)...... Casino Express with B737-200 service into Elko, Las Vegas and Reno.

Well you've got the cities right. Did Casino Express ever have any scheduled flights though? I remember some friends of my sister got picked up by the colorful Casino Express 737-200in Fort Collins, CO - made a stop in Akron, CO - and then continued on to Elko. But for our question, we continue to look for the airline... Please guess again!

88. You are in Fairbanks, Alaska and need to fly across the border to Whitehorse in Canada’s Yukon Territory. Four years earlier, yours truly flew this route aboard a Wien 737-200. How times have changed! These days a different airline offers a single daily nonstop between FAI and YXY. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.

Hmmmmm.....well, it's probably either a recip or a turboprop, I think. Let's go with a DC-4 operated by Air North.


Oh I wish! Air North did have at least one DC-4 though I believe it was used solely for freight. In this instance we're looking for a twin engine turboprop...
BTW, FAI still has a couple of DC-4s parked on the north tarmac. I believe they're used for firefighting duties. We had over 5 million acres burn last summer...
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I wrote here a while ago about how, as a small child in south-west England at the end of the 1950s, I would hear late evenings from my bedroom in the far distance the rumble of large propeller aircraft, which I later determined were Constellations etc headed from Paris to Shannon and points west. Well, just early this morning was a reprise. At about 2 am I was woken by a distant but distinct heavy prop aircraft noise, so I just had to come downstairs and look at FR24, and there in otherwise deserted airspace was shown a 4-engined, Belarus-registered, Antonov 12 rumbling and resonating directly overhead London City, north-eastwards at 20,000 feet, it seems it had started from somewhere in Spain and was heading back through the night towards the Baltic and maybe eastwards to home in Minsk. Shame it was cloudy, I would have liked to have seen its lights. Whether Mrs WHBM would have approved of me going barefoot into the back garden in the middle of the night is a different matter !

61. A thorough perusal of the OAG has revealed six airlines that operated L-1011-500s into London in 1987. How many can you identify?

Originally Posted by jrl767

I can certainly guess six; whether they're the right ones remains to be seen:

Air Canada Correct!
Alia Royal Jordanian Correct!
British Incorrect!
Delta Correct!
Pan Am Incorrect!
TWA Incorrect!
I don't believe BA had taken delivery of its -500s as of 1987 and so far as I know, TWA never flew the -500. No Pan Am -500s show up on the schedule.

So - not a bad start and we're still looking for three more...
Can I have a shot at this one.

Air Canada, Alia and Delta are already accounted for. I'll add BWIA as a fourth, coming from various Caribbean points.

I believe BA was operating them, although quite possible they were just shown in OAG as an L10, so that might actually make 7. BA had a poor history with the -500. They originally bought a fleet around 1980, then found they had no real use for them so after just a few years they were sold to the RAF. No sooner was that done than they started services to South America in a route swap arranged by the UK government to try and avoid British Caledonian's bankruptcy, which the -500s would have been ideal for, so BA leased the two aircraft which Sri Lankan carrier Air Lanka had recently supplemented their standard Tristar fleet with. What aircraft is shown on the BA nonstop service from London to Rio/Sao Paolo ? If it's a Tristar that would be beyond all except the -500. The ones sold to the RAF were to replace their VC-10s - which in the event ran on together and the VC-10s lasted well over a further 25 years in service

Remaining two are a bit of a challenge. TAP of Portugal were regulars with them into Heathrow on odd flights, whether shown as such in the timetable or not. Alia had too many of them, and regularly operated Sudan Airways services to Europe with one, which might be timetabled as such. Finally, I don't know whether the OAG regarded RAF Brize Norton as a London airport. It's about 60 miles west, and is base for the quite well known RAF-operated public service from the UK to the Falklands, run at the time with those ex-BA aircraft (nowadays the service still runs from here but with chartered commercial aircraft).

I'll finally add (not one of the 6) that German charter operator LTU had a couple, used pretty constantly on holiday flights from Dusseldorf to the Caribbean, which if you craned your neck on a clear day and had a good pair of binoculars you could see transiting overhead London regularly. There weren't a lot of -500 operators, but goodness, you could see most of them here.

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Old Feb 21, 16, 12:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post

88. You are in Fairbanks, Alaska and need to fly across the border to Whitehorse in Canada’s Yukon Territory. Four years earlier, yours truly flew this route aboard a Wien 737-200. How times have changed! These days a different airline offers a single daily nonstop between FAI and YXY. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.
PARTIALLY ANSWEREDAir North has been identified as the airline of record. Now all we need is the aircraft type. It wasn't a DC-3
88. Take three....

Air North operating the venerable Hawker Siddeley 748. I believe Air North still operates the HS 748 to this day.

And to add to WHBM's comments above concerning the long range Lockheed L-1011 series 500 Tristar, I seem to recall that BA operated the type into MSY at one point . I think the routing was London-New Orleans-Mexico City.

Also concerning Casino Express (XP) and their B737-200 service into Elko (EKO) back in the day with regard to the inquiry from Seat 2A: their schedules did indeed appear in the OAG with the code "SPEC" (for "Special") denoted in the frequency section with the actual date of operation included. The majority of the flights operated by Casino Express were flown on a one time basis on a specific date.

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Old Feb 21, 16, 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
50. Passengers flying between Miami and Key West, Florida in 1987 have an enviable choice of flights. Two airlines offer jet flights while another offers piston powered propeller driven flights. Identify each airline and its respective aircraft operated.
I will try the following

Eastern Airlines Boeing 737
Piedmont Airlines Boeing 737
US Air Fokker 50 turboprop
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Old Feb 21, 16, 2:09 pm
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Ahh... it's good to be home! Cloudy and 10F - a beautiful February day, especially after having spent a hot and muggy day wandering amidst the urban forest of the Sherwood Arboretum in Brisbane just two calendar days ago.

Interestingly, the A380 that I flew upon between Brisbane and Dubai was c/n #13, the second oldest 380 in Emirates fleet, having been delivered on October 24, 2008. At 7.9 years old, it's close to becoming an "older airplane" by Emirates standards. It'll be interesting to see how long Emirates keeps this plane as well as who its new operator will be someday.

By contrast, the A380 I flew upon yesterday from Dubai to San Francisco - A6-EOM, c/n 187, was delivered on August 3rd, 2015. Amazingly, Emirates have taken delivery of a further nine A380s since then! It was on this flight that I crossed the 5 million miles flown threshold - probably out over the Barents Sea, a few miles east of Svalbard.

On to the next 5 Million!

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68. Baghdad was a veritable hotbed of activity for fans of Boeing 707s. I have found eight airlines that operated scheduled 707 flights into Baghdad as of late 1987. Can you identify them?

Here is a mix of know, educated guesses, and wild guesses:

1 Egypt Air Correct! From CAI
2 Iraqi Airways Correct! From CAI, DAC, FRA, KRT, FCO
3 JAT Correct! From BEG
4 Korean Airlines Correct! - From AUH
5 Middle East Airlines Incorrect!
6 Royal Jordanian Correct! From AMM
7 Syrian Arab Airlines Incorrect!

You're off to a great start, Del ~ I pulled out the relevant OAG and reviewed all of the flights into Baghdad. You've added one 707 flight I missed - Egyptair - so we're looking at eight 707 operators at Baghdad (BGW).

MEA is surprising in its absence, having been a major 707 operator well into the 1990s. Still, per the 1987 OAG I reference there were neither nonstop nor direct flights between Beirut and Baghdad. The same holds true for Damascus.

Following the correct entries, I have listed the city from which that airline flew its 707 into Baghdad.

So - we are still missing three 707 operators and I am going to amend the question to reflect 8 airlines rather than 7.
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72- we are looking for the last two nonstops to HNL from airports on islands NOT in the state of Hawaii

"on the Air Mike network" ... the second closest island would be Majuro
"served by a DC-8" ... most likely a long-range DC-8-62 in JAL livery; we've identified Tokyo, Osaka, and Nagoya ... how about Okinawa?
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Old Feb 21, 16, 4:03 pm
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
Can I have a shot at this one.

Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
61. A thorough perusal of the OAG has revealed six airlines that operated L-1011-500s into London in 1987. How many can you identify?

I can certainly guess six; whether they're the right ones remains to be seen:
  1. Air Canada Correct!
  2. Alia Royal Jordanian Correct!
  3. British Correct!
  4. Delta Correct!
  5. Pan Am Incorrect!
  6. TWA Incorrect!

I don't believe BA had taken delivery of its -500s as of 1987 (Incorrect!) and so far as I know, TWA never flew the -500. No Pan Am -500s show up on the schedule.

So - not a bad start and we're still looking for three more...
Air Canada, Alia and Delta are already accounted for. I'll add BWIA as a fourth, coming from various Caribbean points.

I believe BA was operating them, although quite possible they were just shown in OAG as an L10, so that might actually make 7. BA had a poor history with the -500. They originally bought a fleet around 1980, then found they had no real use for them so after just a few years they were sold to the RAF. No sooner was that done than they started services to South America in a route swap arranged by the UK government to try and avoid British Caledonian's bankruptcy, which the -500s would have been ideal for, so BA leased the two aircraft which Sri Lankan carrier Air Lanka had recently supplemented their standard Tristar fleet with. The ones sold to the RAF were to replace their VC-10s - which in the event ran on together and the VC-10s lasted well over a further 25 years in service

Remaining two are a bit of a challenge. TAP of Portugal were regulars with them into Heathrow on odd flights, whether shown as such in the timetable or not. Alia had too many of them, and regularly operated Sudan Airways services to Europe with one, which might be timetabled as such. Finally, I don't know whether the OAG regarded RAF Brize Norton as a London airport. It's about 60 miles west, and is base for the quite well known RAF-operated public service from the UK to the Falklands, run at the time with those ex-BA aircraft (nowadays the service still runs from here but with chartered commercial aircraft).

I'll finally add (not one of the 6) that German charter operator LTU had a couple, used pretty constantly on holiday flights from Dusseldorf to the Caribbean, which if you craned your neck on a clear day and had a good pair of binoculars you could see transiting overhead London regularly. There weren't a lot of -500 operators, but goodness, you could see most of them here
.

Great commentary as always Sir, and of course you are spot on as to the remaining L15 operators, those being BWIA, TAP and Sudan Airways.
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What aircraft is shown on the BA nonstop service from London to Rio/Sao Paolo ? If it's a Tristar that would be beyond all except the -500.

Here's the schedule:

BA 245
Equipment: L10
Frequency: 246

London (LHR) to Rio de Janeiro (GIG) Depart: 2240 Arrive: 0810
Rio de Janeiro (GIG) to Sao Paulo (GRU) Depart: 0915 Arrive: 1015

Looking at the schedule between Rio and Sao Paulo back then, I can't help but daydream a bit and consider that if it were me flying to from London to Sao Paulo back then, I would've deplaned in Rio and then boarded the daily Trans Brazil 707 departing GIG for GRU at 1025. Another great option would've been to head over to the much smaller Santos Dumont Airport (SDU) where I could have connected to my choice of Electras from Varig or Vasp down to Sao Paulo's Congonhas Airport
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Well, thought I'd look this up....

According to the Feb. 2007 OAG, RAF Brize North (BZZ) is not listed as a London area airport.

Same thing in the Oct. 1, 1993 OAG as well.

However, the OAG does say that BZZ is 22 km (or 13.5 miles) away from Oxford.
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88. You are in Fairbanks, Alaska and need to fly across the border to Whitehorse in Canada’s Yukon Territory. Four years earlier, yours truly flew this route aboard a Wien 737-200. How times have changed! These days a different airline offers a single daily nonstop between FAI and YXY. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.

Take three.... Air North operating the venerable Hawker Siddeley 748. I believe Air North still operates the HS 748 to this day.

Air North does indeed still operate the venerable HS-748. In 1983 however, the aircraft shown to be operating nonstop between Fairbanks and Whitehorse is not the 748.

Here's a few things to mull over...

Per the 1983 schedules I reference for this question, the airline code for Air North is XG

Interestingly, a check of the my 1985 OAG shows no service at all between FAI and YXY. Further, a check of the Whitehorse listings doesn't show any operations at all by Air North.

A check of my 1987 OAG shows that Air North has returned to service - or at least a company calling itself Air North as its airline code has now changed to 4N - and is operating a one stop DC-3 between Whitehorse and Fairbanks via Dawson City (YDA).

In any event, we are still looking for that mysterious twin engine turboprop that shows up in the 1983 schedule between FAI and YXY.

Please - guess again!
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68. Baghdad was a veritable hotbed of activity for fans of Boeing 707s. I have found eight airlines that operated scheduled 707 flights into Baghdad as of late 1987. Can you identify them?

Here is a mix of know, educated guesses, and wild guesses:

1 Egypt Air Correct! From CAI
2 Iraqi Airways Correct! From CAI, DAC, FRA, KRT, FCO
3 JAT Correct! From BEG
4 Korean Airlines Correct! - From AUH
5 Middle East Airlines Incorrect!
6 Royal Jordanian Correct! From AMM
7 Syrian Arab Airlines Incorrect!

You're off to a great start, Del ~ I pulled out the relevant OAG and reviewed all of the flights into Baghdad. You've added one 707 flight I missed - Egyptair - so we're looking at eight 707 operators at Baghdad (BGW).

MEA is surprising in its absence, having been a major 707 operator well into the 1990s. Still, per the 1987 OAG I reference there were neither nonstop nor direct flights between Beirut and Baghdad. The same holds true for Damascus.

Following the correct entries, I have listed the city from which that airline flew its 707 into Baghdad.

So - we are still missing three 707 operators and I am going to amend the question to reflect 8 airlines rather than 7.
Let's go with Sudan Air (they had one hijacked ex-SDA in 1985 or 1986) and Libyan Arab (although I was tempted to guess Air Algerie).
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Old Feb 21, 16, 4:44 pm
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50. Passengers flying between Miami and Key West, Florida in 1987 have an enviable choice of flights. Two airlines offer jet flights while another offers piston powered propeller driven flights. Identify each airline and its respective aircraft operated.

I will try the following

Eastern Airlines Boeing 737
Piedmont Airlines Boeing 737
US Air Fokker 50 turboprop


Good afternoon and welcome back, teddybear99! You've got two of the airlines right but alas - none of the aircraft.

As I'm sure you know, Eastern didn't operate 737s (The new Eastern does though...) so I'm going to assume this was a typo and what you really meant was a 727 - specifically a 727-100.

Piedmont is correct, but it did not operate its 737s down to EYW. I could leave this one open for further rumination but honestly, with Piedmont there really aren't a lot of options for an airport the size of Key West's. So - let's cut to the chase and acknowledge that PI flew its Fokker F.28 on this route.

Alright then, that takes care of the jet powered flights. Now for piston powered flights, we're looking for a well known airline operating a well known aircraft. What ever could it be...?

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