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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion

Old Feb 15, 16, 9:17 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
64. There were three trans-Atlantic routes between the U.S. and London that were flown with 767s. Identify the routes and the airline(s) that flew them.

I'm reasonably certain TWA operated to London from St Louis, as I took the SEA-STL leg of that flight aboard a 767-231ER on a couple occasions. As for the others, let's go with Boston on American, and Philadelphia on BA

My 3" thick International OAG agrees with you on the STL-LHR flight. However, it shows no evidence of AA or BA operating 767s across the pond at that time. So - one down, two to go!

Originally Posted by RoyalFlush
I believe Piedmont operated the B767 CLT-LGW, around '87.

Way to step in and bat clean up, RF! So now we've just one route left.

Here's a hint: It was operated by TWA.
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89. Seven airlines provide jet flights into Toledo, Ohio but only one offers nonstop jet service to the world’s busiest airport in Chicago, Illinois with two almost daily (X6) departures. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.

Air Wisconsin seems a likely suspect, with a BAe 146

Good call, J - Air Wisconsin it is, with the BAe-146 no less.
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This new batch of questions focuses on schedules from the 1980s.

Over the course of our last batch of questions, the OTAQ&D thread had over 10000 hits. The interest is certainly out there. Thanks again to all of our core participants and welcome aboard to any and all who care to step in and attempt an answer or two.

While our core participants are all familiar with this by now, I would like to reiterate that we please limit our responses to no more than two or three questions at a time so that any and all – be they first time participants or regulars - might have an equal opportunity to participate.[/I]

BTW, though rare - mistakes occasionally happen. Please feel free to speak up. If, for example, I've said there are eight Canadian cities receiving nonstop flights from London and you think there are nine, I'm happy to check my schedules for you, up to and including transcribing or photographing those schedules. Keep in mind that I am limited to the schedules I have available. For example, an autumn schedule I'm referencing may not reflect a flight operated on a seasonal winter schedule.

THE TIMELINE FOR THE FOLLOWING 35 QUESTIONS IS 1987


46. You are enjoying the sand and surf in sunny Nassau when the boss calls and says he needs you to fly up to cloudy Akron, Ohio A.S.A.P. Turning to your trusty pocket flight guide, you’re surprised and delighted to discover that a single two stop direct flight is offered in this market. Identify the airline, the aircraft utilized and the two enroute stops you’ll make along the way

47. During the latter half of 1987 only one airline was operating scheduled nonstop flights between Canada and San Juan, Puerto Rico. Flights operated twice weekly from a single Canadian city, but with a different aircraft type each day. Identify the airline, the Canadian city it departed from and the two different aircraft types operated on the route.

48. Following yet another hectic commute into the city on the Long Island Expressway, you’re pleasantly surprised when you find a message on your answering machine from an old business associate asking if you can join her for a weekend of sunshine and golf at the exclusive Greenbrier Resort in White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia. A quick call to your travel agent reveals a thrice weekly jet flight from JFK into the nearby airport at Greenbrier (LWB). Identify the airline and the aircraft used on this flight.

49. If you wanted to fly out of Bakersfield, California aboard a McDonnell-Douglas DC-9-10, only one airline fits the bill with a single daily flight. Identify that airline and the city you’d be flying to.

50. Passengers flying between Miami and Key West, Florida in 1987 have an enviable choice of flights. Two airlines offer jet flights while another offers piston powered propeller driven flights. Identify each airline and its respective aircraft operated.

51. Five airlines operate mainline jet service between Long Island’s MacArthur Airport (ISP) and the three Washington DC area airports. Three airlines serve Washington Dulles (IAD), one serves Washington National (DCA) and one serves Baltimore (BWI). Identify each airline and the airport it serves.

52. You’ve just won a porcupine grooming contest in Fredericksburg, Virginia! Awright!! Your prize: a pair of new gloves and a long weekend at the Hilton Rose Hall in Montego Bay, Jamaica. Unfortunately your prize doesn’t include airfare from your home in Alexandria, Virginia to Jamaica. Well, dang! Further complicating your travel plans is that your wife refuses to fly on Air Jamaica. It’s a long story… Imagine then your surprise and delight upon discovering an airline that flies nonstop between Washington Dulles and Montego Bay twice weekly on Thursdays and Sundays. The southbound flight on Thursday is operated in an all economy configuration while the northbound flight on Sunday uses a different aircraft type and offers both First Class and Coach. Identify the airline and the respective aircraft it employs on each flight.

54. At present the Seattle to Portland route is served by Alaska/Horizon, Delta and United. Turboprops handle 80% of the flights. Back in 1987 there were 13 airlines operating mainline jet equipment on this 129 mile route. How many of them can you identify?
PARTIALLY ANSWERED All but four have been identified. See post #8394

55. Fresh off a snowy week of work in Edmonton, Alberta, you’ve been informed that your next assignment lies south of the border – two borders, in fact – way down yonder in sunny Monterrey, Mexico. Fully expecting a convoluted itinerary involving multiple connections, you’re flabbergasted when your travel department informs you that there’s a direct flight making three enroute stops from Edmonton all the way down to Monterrey. Additionally there’s a change of equipment at the first stop, from a smaller aircraft to a larger one. Identify the airline, the enroute stops and the two aircraft to be flown along the way.

56. For a time in 1987, this airline operated the only direct, one stop service between Palm Springs, CA and Vancouver, BC. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.

57. In 1987 there were three cities in the state of Nevada that benefitted from scheduled jet flights. Identify the three cities and the single airline that served all three of them.

58. Only one airline offered a flight into Belfast, Northern Ireland aboard a 727-200. What airline was it?

59. Back in 1969, Darwin, Australia was well served from Sydney with five nonstop flights per week, all of them operated with 707s from either BOAC or Qantas. In late 1987, passengers desiring to fly between SYD and DRW had a choice of two flights per week operated by a single airline. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.
HINT: It wasn't Qantas

60. When it comes to travel from England, Canada is well served with eight cities receiving nonstop flights from London. Identify each Canadian city and the airline(s) providing nonstop service to it from London.

61. A thorough perusal of the OAG has revealed six airlines that operated L-1011-500s into London in 1987. How many can you identify?

62. The only nonstop service between Gran Canaria in the Canary Islands and London Gatwick is via a single weekly 767 flight. Identify the airline.

63. Three airlines each operate a single daily flight between Boston and London. Each flight is operated with a different widebodied jetliner, each built by a different manufacturer. Identify each airline and the respective widebody it flew.

64. There were three trans-Atlantic routes between the U.S. and London that were flown with 767s. Identify the routes and the airline(s) that flew them.
PARTIALLY ANSWERED TWA operated a 767 on the STL-LHR run, while Piedmont also operated a 767 on the CLT-LGW run.
HINTThe other route was operated by TWA
HINTThe departure city is on the east coast

65. This airline operates more 727-200s into London Heathrow than any other.

66. Identify the four airlines that operated nonstop 747 flights between Miami and London

67. All but two of the multitude of flights being operated between New York JFK/EWR and London by nine different airlines are operated with 747s. Identify the other two aircraft types you’ll find on this route and which airline(s) operated them.

68. Baghdad was a veritable hotbed of activity for fans of Boeing 707s. I have found seven airlines that operated scheduled 707 flights into Baghdad as of late 1987. Can you identify them?

69. Cold war era legal restrictions meant that no German airlines provided scheduled service on domestic flights between West Berlin and the rest of Germany’s cities. Not including Templehof Airways USA (CL) and Berlin Regional U.K. (WZ), both of which operated small commuter aircraft on some domestic routes into TXL, identify the four non-German airlines that operated larger aircraft on these domestic flights.
A N S W E R E D

70. You’ve just spent a week in Hawaii. It’s been fun but, with a week left in your vacation you’d like to go somewhere a bit less touristy. But only a bit. How about Tahiti? Consulting your trusty OAG, you discover not one, not two but THREE airlines that offer nonstop service between Honolulu and Papeete. Identify each airline and the respective aircraft it operated on this route.

71. Garuda Indonesian Airlines operated a twice weekly flight from Jakarta to Los Angeles. Two stops were made enroute. Identify the two stops and the aircraft used.
A N S W E R E D

72. A thorough perusal of the OAG reveals nonstop service into Honolulu from fifteen different airports located on islands. Yes – this question has been asked before, but covering a different time period and, as the saying goes, times have changed. Can you identify the fifteen airports?

73. Egyptair operated a one stop flight twice a week between Cairo and New York JFK. Where was the enroute stop made and what type of aircraft was used?

75. This airline operated an L-1011 every day except Tuesday and Thursday between Brussels and New York JFK. Which airline is it?

76. Identify the two U.S. airlines that flew between New York JFK and Oslo GEN (Gardermoen)

77. A planned ski vacation in the Catskills is rudely interrupted when you receive a call on Friday afternoon informing you that your services are required in Monrovia, Liberia. As soon as possible, please. Right. A quick call to your company travel department reveals a First Class seat is available aboard this airline’s once weekly nonstop service, departing JFK on Saturday afternoon. Identify the airline and the equipment used.

78. Nine airlines offer nonstop service between New York and London. Identify the six which fly into Heathrow and the three which fly into Gatwick.

79. You’ve got business in Birmingham (BHX). Resigned to making a connection in either Heathrow or Gatwick, you’re surprised to find that there’s a once weekly direct (one-stop) flight departing New York’s Newark Airport every Friday evening. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, the aircraft and the intermediate stop.

80. Three South American airlines fly DC-8-61/71s or DC-8-63/73s into Miami. Identify each airline and which South American airport each flies into Miami from.

81. If you were to fly into Orlando on a DC-8-61/63 operated by a foreign carrier, which airline would you be flying on and from which foreign airport would your flight have originated?

82. Per the 1987 schedule I reference for these questions, one airline operated three different types of widebody jets - each built by a different manufacturer - into Montego Bay, Jamaica. Identify that airline and the three types it operated into MBJ.


THE TIMELINE FOR THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS IS 1983


86. Laredo, Texas enjoyed twice daily (except Saturday) jet service with nonstop flights from this single city. Identify the city, the airline and the aircraft operating these flights.

88. You are in Fairbanks, Alaska and need to fly across the border to Whitehorse in Canada’s Yukon Territory. Four years earlier, yours truly flew this route aboard a Wien 737-200. How times have changed! These days a different airline offers a single daily nonstop between FAI and YXY. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.

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Overheard in the BA Galleries Lounge at JFK this morning...

"I do dread these trans-Atlantic crossings. They're soooo long!"

Departing from New York, I figure a good tailwind might get you into London in about six hours. By contrast, my upcoming flight - departing in two hours, is scheduled for 16 hours and five minutes nonstop. Needless to say, I'm looking forward to it!

Which brings us to my current predicament. This is a rather sudden trip - I didn't even know I was going until a day ago. It won't be long - just five days - but it does mean I won't have access to schedules as part of my response to your answers - if so desired. I will however have internet access - including inflight upon my return aboard Emirates - so aside from the next 24 hours, I shall endeavor to provide timely responses to your responses.

On a positive note, thanks to an abundance of miles this trip will be First Class all the way - including a flight aboard one of the last remaining Cathay Pacific 747-400s, now relegated to intra-Asia flights. As an added bonus, I'll log my 5 millionth mile flown while somewhere over the polar regions aboard an Emirates A380 enroute to SFO from Dubai.

So - keep those answers coming and - if you'll allow me twenty-one hours of flying plus a bit of sleep at the end - I'll be back with responses tomorrow.
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64- I also know that TW was operating BOS/PHL<-->LHR, so relying on the absence of Seat 2A's "partial credit" paradigm I will offer ORD as the other US gateway city with a 767 flight
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71. Garuda Indonesian Airlines operated a twice weekly flight from Jakarta to Los Angeles. Two stops were made enroute. Identify the two stops and the aircraft used.
71. This flight was probably operated with a DC-10-30 with the two intermediate stops being Denpasar (DPS) and Honolulu (HNL). At least, that's the schedule Garuda was operating when I worked as the Director of Marketing for Mahalo Air with my office located at HNL.

Garuda was not known for their punctuality back in those days with regard to their transpacific flight schedules. Some days, their flight would not even show up at HNL. I remember walking by their ticket counter and seeing a crudely hand lettered sign which read: "No flight today. You try again tomorrow."

Meantime, safe travels Seat 2A! And we look forward to hearing about your latest intercontinental itinerary when you have time to tell us about it!
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Garuda was not known for their punctuality back in those days with regard to their transpacific flight schedules.
Garuda. Ghastly Airline Ruined Under Dutch Administration.

This gross unpunctuality was what Biman of Bangladesh was known for about 10 years ago, when they were the last DC-10 operator into Heathrow, which is of course very tightly slot controlled. Often 24 hours or more late, sometimes indeed not at all. It didn't help that each passenger on Biman seemed to need about 10 family members to come to Heathrow to greet them, who all hung around until arrival, which was a bit of an issue if the aircraft hadn't even left the Dubai refuelling stop at scheduled arrival time. They also more than once had a delayed departure from London until funds for handling and any engineering needed were wired across from Dhaka. They got served a "final warning" notice about how they would have their slot entitlement cancelled, which caused a gross diplomatic incident and the UK Foreign Secretary (probably Jack Straw at the time) had to have the Chairman of Heathrow and the Slot Regulator into his office to offer government "advice".

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69. Cold war era legal restrictions meant that no German airlines provided scheduled service on domestic flights between West Berlin and the rest of Germany’s cities. Not including Tempelhof Airways USA (CL) and Berlin Regional U.K. (WZ), both of which operated small commuter aircraft on some domestic routes into TXL, identify the four non-German airlines that operated larger aircraft on these domestic flights.
British Airways. By 1987 pretty much cut over from One-Elevens to 737-200s.

Pan Am. Also have changed their onetime 727 totality to 737-200s as well.

Dan-Air. Whenever there was a chance of running an oddball route, Dan-Air were there. They based an HS748 in Berlin to operate some routes. Was Saarbrucken one of the points ?

Air France. Flights to Paris routed through West German points.
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Overheard in the BA Galleries Lounge at JFK this morning...

"I do dread these trans-Atlantic crossings. They're soooo long!"
Currently over South Wales, so they are nearly here. I'll wave to their aircraft on finals for Heathrow in a few minutes as I'm driving home along the M4.
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72. A thorough perusal of the OAG reveals nonstop service into Honolulu from fifteen different airports located on islands. Yes – this question has been asked before, but covering a different time period and, as the saying goes, times have changed. Can you identify the fifteen airports?
as WHBM might say, "Let's have a go at this!"

first off, I'll set a ground rule that I'm NOT considering Australia, even though it's sometimes referred to as the "Island Continent," as an island for purposes of this answer

let's start with reasonably obvious destinations -- major cities (and some not-so-major ones) in Hawaii; we know the two Tokyo airports are on islands, as is Vancouver; I think the Continental Micronesia "Island-Hopper" ran nonstop to Guam most days but made a (maybe 2x/week) stop at Johnston

so we have
  1. Hilo (ITO)
  2. Kahului (OGG)
  3. Kapalua/West Maui (KPL?)
  4. Kaunakakai(?)(MKK)
  5. Kona (KOA)
  6. Lihue (LIH)
  7. Haneda (HND)
  8. Narita (NRT)
  9. Vancouver (YVR)
  10. Guam (GUM)
  11. Johnston Atoll (JON)

    and as for the others, perhaps

  12. Auckland NZ (AKL)
  13. Kiritimati (aka Christmas Island) (CXI)
  14. Nadi Fiji (NAN)
  15. Papeete Tahiti (PPT)
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64. There were three trans-Atlantic routes between the U.S. and London that were flown with 767s. Identify the routes and the airline(s) that flew them.
PARTIALLY ANSWERED TWA operated a 767 on the STL-LHR run, while Piedmont also operated a 767 on the CLT-LGW run.
HINTThe other route was operated by TWA

I also know that TW was operating BOS/PHL<-->LHR, so relying on the absence of Seat 2A's "partial credit" paradigm I will offer ORD as the other US gateway city with a 767 flight

It was not Chicago. The city we're looking for is located on the eastern seaboard and is famous for a delicious seafood based delicacy...
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71. Garuda Indonesian Airlines operated a twice weekly flight from Jakarta to Los Angeles. Two stops were made enroute. Identify the two stops and the aircraft used..

This flight was probably operated with a DC-10-30 with the two intermediate stops being Denpasar (DPS) and Honolulu (HNL). At least, that's the schedule Garuda was operating when I worked as the Director of Marketing for Mahalo Air with my office located at HNL.

Garuda was not known for their punctuality back in those days with regard to their transpacific flight schedules. Some days, their flight would not even show up at HNL. I remember walking by their ticket counter and seeing a crudely hand lettered sign which read: "No flight today. You try again tomorrow.
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You would think, wouldn't you? I certainly would. But no! It was another stop - in Indonesia but not Denpasar. In fact, it's a place I've never even heard of. Perhaps you have - but here's a hint nonetheless: The stop is located at an airport in the Papua province of Indonesia...


Meantime, safe travels Seat 2A! And we look forward to hearing about your latest intercontinental itinerary when you have time to tell us about it!

I'm enjoying as good an internet connection as I've had in some time here in muggy Singapore. I flew in aboard an old friend, 747 B-HKT. This is the third flight I've logged on this aircraft since 2010 and I feel like I've come to know her well. My name is still carved in the wall panel beside seat 2K ! Just kidding of course!

The aircraft has quite an interesting history. It was delivered fresh from the factory to Singapore Airlines back in 1993. Following eight years of faithful service it was sold or leased to El Al for whom it toiled until September of 2005 when it was parked in the Sonoran Desert at Marana, Arizona. In March of 2006, Cathay Pacific showed up, kicked the tires and decided to buy it third hand. Today this twenty-three year old airplane looks a bit worn on the outside, but inside she looks good - sort of a living museum as the old Cathay First and Business Class suites are still in place. Everything works well though and the "Refreshment" served between Hong Kong and Singapore turned out to be the best meal of the trip.

So then, following an early lunch with friends, it's back to the airport to continue on to Brisbane aboard Emirates' much more youthful 777-300ER. Suite 1K should provide a nice sunset enroute...

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71. Ah......perhaps the first en route stop on this Garuda service from CGK to LAX was Biak (BIK) and then on to HNL.

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71. Ah......perhaps the first en route stop on this Garuda service from DPS to LAX was Biak (BIK) and then on to HNL.
Right on, JL! I can't find any information on Biak as a tourism destination worthy of service with an aircraft the size of a DC-10. Was it a question of range and/or prevailing winds? I thought the -30s had the range for a Jakarta to Honolulu nonstop but given Biak's geographical location in eastern Indonesia, a fuel stop makes sense.

Biak Airport is slated to receive a 14000+ foot runway soon.
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69. Cold war era legal restrictions meant that no German airlines provided scheduled service on domestic flights between West Berlin and the rest of Germany’s cities. Not including Tempelhof Airways USA (CL) and Berlin Regional U.K. (WZ), both of which operated small commuter aircraft on some domestic routes into TXL, identify the four non-German airlines that operated larger aircraft on these domestic flights.

British Airways. By 1987 pretty much cut over from One-Elevens to 737-200s.

Pan Am. Also have changed their onetime 727 totality to 737-200s as well.

Dan-Air. Whenever there was a chance of running an oddball route, Dan-Air were there. They based an HS748 in Berlin to operate some routes. Was Saarbrucken one of the points ?

Air France. Flights to Paris routed through West German points.


Spot on, WHBM. Per the 1987 OAG I reference I recall the schedules still showing Pan Am still operating 72S aircraft into Berlin. Dan Air operated HS-748s and Air France served the airport with - amongst other aircraft - an A310 drum I believe DUS. This is one response I'd like to provide a little further information on when I get home later this week.
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
64. There were three trans-Atlantic routes between the U.S. and London that were flown with 767s. Identify the routes and the airline(s) that flew them.
PARTIALLY ANSWERED TWA operated a 767 on the STL-LHR run, while Piedmont also operated a 767 on the CLT-LGW run.
HINTThe other route was operated by TWA
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64- I also know that TW was operating BOS/PHL<-->LHR, so relying on the absence of Seat 2A's "partial credit" paradigm I will offer ORD as the other US gateway city with a 767 flight
It was not Chicago. The city we're looking for is located on the eastern seaboard and is famous for a delicious seafood based delicacy...
even though I can't ever recall seeing it in OAGs or timetables, given your propensity for said seafood delicacy on your numerous peregrinations to this coast, I am without hesitation going to say Baltimore (BWI)
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