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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion

Old Mar 8, 15, 5:26 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767
So to clarify the linguistics:
•a NONSTOP flight operates on a ROUTE
•a DIRECT or THROUGH flight operates on a ROUTING

Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
For me, route is the overall end-to-end operation. So we do indeed refer to the "Britain to Australia route" of British AW and Qantas, where there are no nonstops. I think this is terminology common inside the industry. Crews stopped at Singapore or Sydney on the way are referred to as "being downroute". It might, of course, be nonstop, or it might not.

Routing is what a specific flight does. So the old Qantas flight from London to Australia was "routing through Bermuda, Nassau, Mexico, etc".

Direct is a flight you don't need to get off from between origin and destination, so again the BA flight from London to Sydney is direct, because you don't need to get out at Singapore, although many choose to.

Nicely described, jrl767 and WHBM, and thank you. I think I could have worded question 2 a bit better regardless. In the future if the answer I'm looking for is a nonstop flight, I will refer to it as such..

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Old Mar 8, 15, 5:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Icecat View Post
8. This foreign airline enjoys 5th freedom rights with a flight between Los Angeles and Mexico City every Monday, Wednesday and Friday evening. Identify the airline and the aircraft.

By any chance would that be Japan Air Lines with a 747?

An interesting choice and yet I don't believe JAL ever flew into MEX out of a US gateway. For many years they operated a 747 out of Vancouver - a flight I always wanted to get on yet never quite could manage a workable combination of time and money.

But no - we're looking for a different airline and aircraft here...


19. This airline operated the only direct flight between Sioux Falls, S. Dakota and New York. First Class was available and the flight made three enroute stops. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stops.

Sure sounds like a Ozark DC-9 milk run to me. How about after leaving Sioux Falls, we decide to drop in to see the cousins in Waterloo, then hop over to watch the big yellow machines being built in Peoria, stop to see the sights in Washington DC (Dulles?) and then onto the Big Apple.

Good call, Icecat! It was OZ 908, a DC-9-30 operating along the routing you described. Truth be known, the flight originated in Sioux City but I figured it'd be a dead giveaway if I used that departure point. Anyway, here's the routing: SUX-FSD-ALO-PIA-IAD-LGA
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Old Mar 8, 15, 5:38 pm
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Any thoughts on why PW went with the 767 in the first place? Were they considering expansion to the south or perhaps summer charters to Europe and winter charters to the US/Mexico?
You are correct. PWA had a number of Boeing 707s in the 1970s, that operated on the "usual" Canadian charter mix, of Europe in the summer and the Caribbean etc in the winter. The 767s were ordered to continue with this market, but something happened, the charterer went out of business or whatever, and they were stuck with them for a couple of years until they were sold to Air Canada.

Transatlantic ETOPS was known to be coming when they arrived, although these restrictions were actually those of the FAA, other countries like Canada had the more relaxed ICAO requirements (think of those Danish-registered Sterling Caravelles doing transatlantic flights in the 1970s), Canadian airports are generally better aligned for crossing the Atlantic keeping within range of somewhere, and the summer-only nature of the charters overcame the principal issue with such flights of the en-route alternates in Iceland and Greenland being closed by the weather. That's the main reason why such large ETOPS ranges are needed, as otherwise the flight cannot depart if the en-route alternate you are relying on has bad weather forecast or happening.
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Old Mar 8, 15, 5:51 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
11. San Diego enjoyed a few widebodied flights from a variety of airlines. Interestingly though, only two of these widebodied flights came from cities east of San Diego. One of them was a United DC-10 from Chicago. Identify the airline, aircraft and nonstop route of the other widebody serving San Diego from the east.

Ah....this may well be: Western Airlines....the only way to fly!.....with a DC-10 nonstop from Denver.

Indeed it was. This was a one-stop direct flight from Denver to Honolulu routing through San Diego. Here's the schedule:

WA 553 DEN-SAN 1200n - 106p DC-10 Lunch
WA 553 SAN-HNL 205p - 550p DC-10 Lunch

I had the good fortune to fly First Class to/from Hawaii aboard Western DC-10 Spaceships on a number of occasions. WA always put on a nice service, highlighted by the volcano punch and really good steaks - sirloin, not tenderloin.

12. Most cities in Alabama and Mississippi cities were served via milk runs. Identify the city pair, the airline and the aircraft representing the longest flight into either Mississippi or Alabama. I'm looking for just one city pair operating into a city that's either in Mississippi or Alabama.

12. Well, I can think of two city pairs here, both operated nonstop by United with Boeing 727-100 equipment: Los Angeles (LAX)-Birmingham (BHM) and Los Angeles (LAX)-Huntsville (HSV). So which one is the longest flight? They are darned close: I think LAX-HSV is 1,813 miles while LAX-BHM is 1,815 miles.

BHM-LAX is correct. According to webflyer's mileage calculator, the distance between BHM and LAX is 1810 miles, ten more than HSV-LAX.
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Old Mar 8, 15, 5:58 pm
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17- MEX<-->GDL ... I'll guess the other AM jet was the DC-9-10; as far as any other prop or turboprop equipment, the qualifier that "each type was unique to the airline" is hanging me up here, as I can only place the Brit and DC-6 in the AM fleet, and we have already associated the Six with MX ... unless you're distinguishing between a DC-6 and a 6B?

or << really wild-arse guess >> was it perhaps one of the last hurrahs for the DC-3?

8- LAX<-->MEX fifth freedom operation ... VARIG with a DC-8?
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An interesting choice and yet I don't believe JAL ever flew into MEX out of a US gateway. For many years they operated a 747 out of Vancouver - a flight I always wanted to get on yet never quite could manage a workable combination of time and money.

But no - we're looking for a different airline and aircraft here...
Oh goodness, I had Vancouver on my mind..
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13. This airline offers the only widebodied service between New York and Chicago. Identify the airline and equipment used.

In 1970 the only wide-bodied aircraft was the 747 and JFK was a important international hub for TWA, so therefore my final answer is TWA.
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Old Mar 8, 15, 7:09 pm
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Here in Alaska's Interior, we have received almost as much snow over the past three days as we have all winter. I've had to put my truck into 4WD just to safely navigate the local roads. In town things are a bit better, though icy.

Here are the remainder of the unanswered questions from batch one plus a few more from batch two:



8. (In 1975) This foreign airline enjoyed 5th freedom rights with a flight between Los Angeles and Mexico City every Monday, Wednesday and Friday evening. Identify the airline and the aircraft.

9. A thorough perusal of the pocket flight guide revealed seven Illinois cities that enjoyed jet service in late 1975. Can you identify them all? (Partial answers will not be accepted)


The following 6 questions are based upon schedules published in a 1970 OAG

13. This airline offers the only widebodied service between New York and Chicago. Identify the airline and equipment used.

14. Identify the longest nonstop flight being operated out of Burbank, California. I’m looking for route, airline and equipment.

15. Alphabetically, this was the last city in the OAG receiving jet service. Identify the city, and if you like the airline, aircraft and two cities it was served from.

16. In terms of capacity, identify the largest aircraft operating between St. Louis and Denver. I’m looking for airline and aircraft.

17. Between Mexico’s two largest cities, two airlines operate flights with five different types of aircraft – two propeller driven airplanes and three jets. One airline operates two types of equipment, the other three. Each aircraft type is unique to that airline. Identify the airline and the aircraft types operated between Guadalajara y Ciudad de Mexico. Partially answered. We're looking for the two types of equipment that AM used on this route

20. A perusal of the OAG has turned up four airlines that operated 727-100s into San Juan, Puerto Rico from regional airports. Can you identify them?


24. (In 1983) If you live in Saskatoon and want to fly upon Boeing’s new 767, there’s only one place you can fly to from your hometown airport. Identify the airline and the route. (We know the airline is Pacific Western. We're looking for the nonstop route flown)


The following 5 questions are based upon schedules published in a 1986 OAG

31. Tired of flying small and mid-sized jets between the Los Angeles and Las Vegas, you’ve decided to try out this airline which offers decently sized prop-jet service between Burbank and Las Vegas. Identify the airline and the aircraft type used on this route.

32. Two airlines operate nonstop flights between Edmonton, Alberta and Yellowknife – way up there in the Northwest Territories. One airline operates a jet only schedule, the other a turboprop only schedule. Identify each airline and the respective equipment operated.

33. Here you are looking forward to a nice weekend in Miami when an old friend calls and says she’s managed to come up with a pair of tickets to see Emmylou Harris on Saturday night at the famous Ryman Theater in Nashville, Tennessee. Can you make it? A quick search of your trusty OAG indicates a single nonstop flight between Miami and Nashville. Moments later you’re booked and ready to go. Identify the airline and aircraft operating this route.

34. Well aren’t you popular this week! Now the boss has called and says he needs you in Denver by noon on Monday. Well I’ll be – one airline operates a single daily nonstop flight that’ll get you into the Mile High City by 10:30am. Identify the airline and aircraft operating this route.

35. Now you’re needed in Calgary, Alberta. It turns out that the single daily nonstop out of Denver is sold out, however just down the road in Colorado Springs there is a single daily flight that makes two stops enroute to Calgary. Identify the airline, aircraft and the intermediate stops between COS and YYC.


Miscellaneous Questions
I have made note of my reference sources for each of these questions in case there should be answers different from those I have. Debate and further discussion over any of the topics mentioned in this thread is always welcome!

36. What was the first airline to fly its own jets into each of the 50 U.S. states?

37. What did the airline in question 36 do to promote its status as the only airline to fly into each of the 50 U.S. states?

38. What was the first airline to introduce seat back tv's on every seat?

39. When was the first pilot’s strike of a large airline in the U.S.? What airline was involved?

40. What was the first airline to offer video games inflight? What year was it?

41. This U.S. airline once ousted its longtime president and replaced him with the brother of the president of its chief rival airline. Which U.S. airline was this?

42. What U.S. airline introduced ETOPs flights across the Atlantic? What type of aircraft was used?

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Old Mar 8, 15, 7:23 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
17. Between Mexico’s two largest cities, two airlines operate flights with five different types of aircraft – two propeller driven airplanes and three jets. One airline operates two types of equipment, the other three. Each aircraft type is unique to that airline. Identify the airline and the aircraft types operated between Guadalajara y Ciudad de Mexico.

MEX<-->GDL ... I'll guess the other AM jet was the DC-9-10; as far as any other prop or turboprop equipment, the qualifier that "each type was unique to the airline" is hanging me up here, as I can only place the Brit and DC-6 in the AM fleet, and we have already associated the Six with MX ... unless you're distinguishing between a DC-6 and a 6B?

or << really wild-arse guess >> was it perhaps one of the last hurrahs for the DC-3?

You've got the jet right, but not the prop. In 1970 the DC-3 would probably not be well received for a flight between such large cities - even in Mexico. Go a little larger...


8. This foreign airline enjoys 5th freedom rights with a flight between Los Angeles and Mexico City every Monday, Wednesday and Friday evening. Identify the airline and the aircraft.

LAX<-->MEX fifth freedom operation ... VARIG with a DC-8?

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Old Mar 8, 15, 7:29 pm
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36. What was the first airline to fly its own jets into each of the 50 U.S. states?
United

39. When was the first pilot’s strike of a large airline in the U.S.? What airline was involved?
1932 - Century Airlines

42. What U.S. airline introduced ETOPs flights across the Atlantic? What type of aircraft was used?
TWA with a 767-200
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Old Mar 8, 15, 7:33 pm
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34. Well aren’t you popular this week! Now the boss has called and says he needs you in Denver by noon on Monday. Well I’ll be – one airline operates a single daily nonstop flight that’ll get you into the Mile High City by 10:30am. Identify the airline and aircraft operating this route.
Let's go with Piedmont and a 727-200.
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Old Mar 8, 15, 7:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Icecat View Post
Oh goodness, I had Vancouver on my mind...

Sorry to get off track there, Icecat - I was just musing on JAL's operations into MEX at the time. See jrl767's post above for a bit more assistance with this question... It wasn't VARIG...


13. (In 1970) This airline offered the only widebodied service between New York and Chicago. Identify the airline and equipment used.

In 1970 the only wide-bodied aircraft was the 747 and JFK was a important international hub for TWA, so therefore my final answer is TWA.

TWA would seem a likely choice, especially given a feed to its international operations out of JFK. Surprisingly however, the airline was not TWA... Please guess again!
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Old Mar 8, 15, 7:39 pm
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36- United
37- anyone flying to or from all 50 states in a (90-day?) introductory period received a year of unlimited First Class travel ... I seem to recall our intrepid Quizmeister Seat 2A mentioning that he was one of maybe 40 who accomplished this
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Old Mar 8, 15, 7:44 pm
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17- "a little larger" might be a DC-4, but I think AM had retired their Skymasters in the early or mid 60s ... and as I said earlier I can't seem to place anything else (e.g., a Convair) with them
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13- Northwest with a 747, continuing to Tokyo?
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