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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion

Old Mar 4, 15, 4:14 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
Delta B747-132 aircraft could be seen at London Heathrow back around 1973-1974. There are eight photos of DL 747s at LHR on airliners.net from that time. I believe this was part of an interchange agreement Delta had back then with Pan Am in order to provide one stop thru plane service between Atlanta and London.....
The "interchange" flight, London to Washington on a Pan Am licence, continuing as Washington to Atlanta and New Orleans as a Delta flight, went through various iterations of aircraft arrangements in the about 10 years 1966-76 that it operated. Firstly it was wholly a Pan Am DC8, then the aircraft used were sold to Delta and it was always one of those. When the 747 came onto the route arrangements changed again and the two carriers operated it in proportion to their mileage, it would be all one for a while, then all the other. As far as I recall Delta aircraft did the summer service and Pan Am the winter. Crews were of the relevant licensed carrier for the sector so always changed over at Washington. In DC8 days the aircraft went right through to New Orleans, but with the 747 it stopped at Atlanta and Delta provided a change-gauge aircraft, sometimes as small as a DC9. Two aircraft were needed for the operation, one couldn't make the round trip within a day.
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Old Mar 6, 15, 4:53 am
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38) In the fall of 1993, the Faroe Islands (FAE) in the North Atlantic only received nonstop air service on two routes. Jet aircraft were flown by two airlines on one route and turboprop service was operated by one airline on the other route. Name all three airlines that served FAE at this time as well as the routes and also identify the respective equipment types these air carriers operated into this remote destination.
Let's have a shot at these. I'm guessing the turboprop was Icelandair (their Air Iceland domestic subsidiary), operating from Reykjavik with F-50s. Some years this continued to Copenhagen, and some years to Sumburgh, in the UK Shetland Islands to the south, but if just one route these presumably weren't operating, and when they did it was typically in high summer only.

Jets would likely be Maersk, which some years operated a codeshare with SAS on the flights from Copenhagen, using 737-300, and also the Faroe's own airline Atlantic Airways on the same route, with a BAe146 that was ex-PSA, and probably codeshared with Danish airline Cimber Air, who had the half share in Atlantic along with the Faroese government. Not to be confused with Air Atlantic, just across the ocean in Maritime Canada, who also had 146s at the time. Atlantic Airways later expanded their 146 fleet, not for services from their home airport, where the one aircraft was more than enough, but used on charters out of Copenhagen, which was their technical base. When BAe146s were common at London City their aircraft used to turn up there as subcharter substitutes there from time to time.

The runway at Vagar, 3,950 feet until the recent extension, was the shortest runway around for a scheduled 737 operation, and was why Atlantic Airways themselves went for the 146. Given the weather up there in the sub-Arctic open Atlantic, and that there was only one runway, and that the 737 would have to be carrying significant fuel reserves in case they could not get in, it must have been quite a challenge.

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Old Mar 6, 15, 12:46 pm
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Good Morning, All!

It's a beautiful sunny day here in the Great Land, with temperatures in the mid-20s. We're gaining an additional 7 minutes of sunshine each day and with Daylight Savings Time arriving this Sunday, it'll soon be light well past 900pm. Due to a lack of snow in Anchorage, the Iditarod Sled Dog Race will be starting in Fairbanks on Monday. I'll be there along with about 200 dogs and two thousand people. It should be a good time!

Following is a collection of 30 questions - all of them schedule based for you timetable hounds. I have another set I'm working on that will include a few questions of a historical nature. In the meantime, dig into these and as always - please limit your response to only two or three at a time so that others might also have a chance to participate.

NOTE: Both jlemon and myself will be leaving the country on extended travels next month. As such there'll be an extended period of no questions. Dry up those tears, though! This represents an excellent opportunity for one or more of you to step up and present a few questions of your own. If you start your research now, you should have an enviable batch of questions ready by mid-April. Good luck!


The following 12 questions are based upon schedules published in a 1975 Pocket Flight Guide

1. American offered flights from Chicago to six airports in New York state. Identify each of the airports, and then indicate which two were served with DC-10s.

2. Montana was perfectly suited for milk runs from airlines like Northwest and Frontier. As a result, many of the flights into or out of the state weren’t very long. Identify the longest route flown into/out of Montana. I’m looking for the city pair and the airline.

3. A thorough perusal of the pocket flight guide revealed eight Michigan cities that enjoyed jet service in late 1975. Can you identify them all? (Answers such as “Well I can identify six of them” will be summarily ignored) A N S W E R E D (It turns out there are 11 cities, three not listed in my pocket flight guide - Thanks to Icecat for the update!)

4. What was the longest scheduled flight into or out of Santa Ana, California (SNA)? A N S W E R E D

5. Interestingly, almost all of the widebodied jet service into New Orleans came from the east or the west. Places like Houston, Miami, the west coast, Dallas. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the route served by the only widebodied flight into New Orleans from the North. It wasn’t Atlanta. A N S W E R E D

6. What was the largest aircraft offering scheduled flights out of Grand Rapids, Michigan? A N S W E R E D

7. You live in beautiful Zelienople, Pennsylvania and have an opportunity to join a couple of college buddies for a ski weekend in Colorado. A quick perusal of the schedules indicates only a single nonstop flight between Pittsburgh and Denver. Identify the airline and aircraft offering this flight. A N S W E R E D

8. This foreign airline enjoys 5th freedom rights with a flight between Los Angeles and Mexico City every Monday, Wednesday and Friday evening. Identify the airline and the aircraft.

9. A thorough perusal of the pocket flight guide revealed seven Illinois cities that enjoyed jet service in late 1975. Can you identify them all? (Once again, partial answers will be elicit little more than a dismissive snort from yours truly)

10. Oh No! A flat tire enroute to the airport has caused you to miss your flight aboard 747 Braniff Place between Dallas and Honolulu. Thankfully it’s Thursday and another airline just happens to offer a nonstop to HNL departing just four hours later. In fact, a check of the schedules indicates that this airline operates two flights a week between Dallas and Honolulu, departing on Thursdays and Saturdays. Identify the airline and the aircraft used on both flights. A N S W E R E D

11. San Diego enjoyed a few widebodied flights from a variety of airlines. Interestingly though, only two of these widebodied flights came from cities east of San Diego. One of them was a United DC-10 from Chicago. Identify the airline, aircraft and route of the other widebody serving San Diego from the east.

12. Most cities in Alabama and Mississippi cities were served via milk runs. Identify the city pair, the airline and the aircraft representing the longest flight into either Mississippi or Alabama. I'm looking for just one city pair operating into a city that's either in Mississippi or Alabama.


The following 8 questions are based upon schedules published in a 1970 OAG

13. This airline offers the only widebodied service between New York and Chicago. Identify the airline and equipment used.

14. Identify the longest nonstop flight being operated out of Burbank, California. I’m looking for route, airline and equipment.

15. Alphabetically, this was the last city in the North American OAG receiving jet service. Identify the city, and if you like the airline, aircraft and two cities it was served from.

16. In terms of capacity, identify the largest aircraft operating between St. Louis and Denver. I’m looking for airline and aircraft.

17. Between Mexico’s two largest cities, two airlines operate flights with five different types of aircraft – two propeller driven airplanes and three jets. One airline operates two types of equipment, the other three. Each aircraft type is unique to that airline. Identify the airline and the aircraft types operated between Guadalajara y Ciudad de Mexico.

18. Identify the only intrastate airline and equipment operating into California’s Lake Tahoe airport.

19. This airline operated the only direct flight between Sioux Falls, S. Dakota and New York. First Class was available and the flight made three enroute stops. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stops.

20. A perusal of the OAG has turned up four airlines that operated 727-100s into San Juan, Puerto Rico from regional airports. Can you identify them?


The following 10 questions are based upon schedules published in a 1983 Pocket Flight Guide

21. Once well served by Continental and Texas International, the Albuquerque to Los Angeles route is now served by two different airlines – one offering two daily flights, the other just one. Identify each airline. A N S W E R E D

22. This airline operates a single almost daily (X23) all-economy configured aircraft between Chicago and Miami. Identify the airline and the aircraft used. A N S W E R E D

23. Identify the airline and aircraft operating the longest distance flight scheduled out of Memphis. A N S W E R E D

24. If you live in Saskatoon and want to fly upon Boeing’s new 767, there’s only one place you can fly to from your hometown airport. Identify the airline and the route.

25. If you want to fly a Lockheed L-1011-500 from the U.S. to Honolulu, there’s only a single flight each day. Identify the airline and the route. A N S W E R E D

26. As of summer 1983, there was only one 757 flight into all of Canada. It originated in the U.S. Identify the airline and the route. A N S W E R E D

27. In what just might be the greatest variety of airlines operating over a single north American route, the Portland to Seattle route is served by no less than thirteen airlines. Care to have a go at all thirteen? Answers offering less than thirteen airlines will be scoffed at and ignored. A N S W E R E D

28. The Los Angeles to Seattle route is served by four airlines, two of which offer widebodied jet service. Identify all four airlines as well as the two which offer widebody jet service. A N S W E R E D

29. Once well served with nonstop jet flights from American and Western, in the summer of 1983 the Los Angeles to Palm Springs route is served by just a single daily jet flight. Identify the airline and equipment serving this route. A N S W E R E D

30. In 1983 Atlanta is the second busiest airport in the U.S. and yet there’s only a single almost daily (X3) flight operating with a BAC-111. Identify the airline and the route flown.

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Old Mar 6, 15, 1:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post

5. Interestingly, almost all of the widebodied jet service into New Orleans came from the east or the west. Places like Houston, Miami, the west coast, Dallas. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the route served by the only widebodied flight into New Orleans from the North. It wasn’t Atlanta.

10. Oh No! A flat tire enroute to the airport has caused you to miss your flight aboard 747 Braniff Place between Dallas and Honolulu. Thankfully it’s Thursday and another airline just happens to offer a nonstop to HNL departing just four hours later. In fact, a check of the schedules indicates that this airline operates two flights a week between Dallas and Honolulu, departing on Thursdays and Saturdays. Identify the airline and the aircraft used on both flights.
Another excellent set of quiz items from Seat 2A! I'll kick this off.....

5. I'll guess this was Delta operating a nonstop service with a Lockheed L-1011 from LGA.

10. Let's go with Pan Am with a Boeing 707.
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Old Mar 6, 15, 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
5. Interestingly, almost all of the widebodied jet service into New Orleans came from the east or the west. Places like Houston, Miami, the west coast, Dallas. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the route served by the only widebodied flight into New Orleans from the North. It wasn’t Atlanta.

I'll guess this was Delta operating a nonstop service with a Lockheed L-1011 from LGA.

An excellent guess, Sir! As likely an originating point as LaGuardia would seem to be, surprisingly in this instance it was not. Please guess again!


10. Oh No! A flat tire enroute to the airport has caused you to miss your flight aboard 747 Braniff Place between Dallas and Honolulu. Thankfully it’s Thursday and another airline just happens to offer a nonstop to HNL departing just four hours later. In fact, a check of the schedules indicates that this airline operates two flights a week between Dallas and Honolulu, departing on Thursdays and Saturdays. Identify the airline and the aircraft used on both flights.

Let's go with Pan Am with a Boeing 707.

Correct! Here's the schedule:

PA 827 DFW-HNL Dep. 1000a Arr. 220p Eq. 707 Freq. Saturday only

PA 825 DFW-HNL Dep. 515p Arr. 935p Eq. 707 Freq. Thursday only
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
1983 ...
28. The Los Angeles to Seattle route is served by four airlines, two of which offer widebodied jet service. Identify all four airlines as well as the two which offer widebody jet service. ...
Alaska and United with narrow-body service; Western and Pan Am with wide-bodies (DC-10 and 747, respectively) ... if this is only half right, I've probably reversed UA and WA

PA was a 2x (3x?) a week extension of the London flight, and it also operated SEA<-->SFO a couple days a week ... we flew each of those routes several times between 1981 and 1987 ($59-$79 for SFO, $69-$89 for LAX)
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Old Mar 6, 15, 2:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post

22. This airline operates a single almost daily (X23) all-economy configured aircraft between Chicago and Miami. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.
22. I think this was a little airline operating a big jet: Capitol Air with a stretched Super DC8.
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
(In the summer of 1983) The Los Angeles to Seattle route is served by four airlines, two of which offer widebodied jet service. Identify all four airlines as well as the two which offer widebody jet service.

Alaska and United with narrow-body service; Western and Pan Am with wide-bodies (DC-10 and 747, respectively) ... if this is only half right, I've probably reversed UA and WA

PA was a 2x (3x?) a week extension of the London flight, and it also operated SEA<-->SFO a couple days a week ... we flew each of those routes several times between 1981 and 1987 ($59-$79 for SFO, $69-$89 for LAX)

Longtime LAX-SEA operators Western and United flew this route at the time. Pan Am and Alaska didn't. Let's restart from there.

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Old Mar 6, 15, 3:11 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
22. This airline operates a single almost daily (X23) all-economy configured aircraft between Chicago and Miami. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.

I think this was a little airline operating a big jet: Capitol Air with a stretched Super DC8.

I think you're right. Here's the schedule:

CL 235 ORD-MIA Dep. 920a Arr. 120p Eq. D8S Freq. X23
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Old Mar 6, 15, 4:26 pm
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
Let's have a shot at these. I'm guessing the turboprop was Icelandair (their Air Iceland domestic subsidiary), operating from Reykjavik with F-50s. Some years this continued to Copenhagen, and some years to Sumburgh, in the UK Shetland Islands to the south, but if just one route these presumably weren't operating, and when they did it was typically in high summer only.

Jets would likely be Maersk, which some years operated a codeshare with SAS on the flights from Copenhagen, using 737-300, and also the Faroe's own airline Atlantic Airways on the same route, with a BAe146 that was ex-PSA, and probably codeshared with Danish airline Cimber Air, who had the half share in Atlantic along with the Faroese government. Not to be confused with Air Atlantic, just across the ocean in Maritime Canada, who also had 146s at the time. Atlantic Airways later expanded their 146 fleet, not for services from their home airport, where the one aircraft was more than enough, but used on charters out of Copenhagen, which was their technical base. When BAe146s were common at London City their aircraft used to turn up there as subcharter substitutes there from time to time.

The runway at Vagar, 3,950 feet until the recent extension, was the shortest runway around for a scheduled 737 operation, and was why Atlantic Airways themselves went for the 146. Given the weather up there in the sub-Arctic open Atlantic, and that there was only one runway, and that the 737 would have to be carrying significant fuel reserves in case they could not get in, it must have been quite a challenge.
Correct with one minor exception: the October 1, 1993 OAG indicates that Maersk (DM) was operating a Boeing 737-500 on the Copenhagen (CPH)-Faroe Islands (FAE) route with one daily round trip. Meantime, Atlantic Airways (RC) was also operating daily round trip service between FAE and CPH with its BAe 146 while Icelandair (FI) was operating Fokker F50 service twice a week between Reykjavik (REK) and the Faroe Islands.

BTW, speaking of the Boeing 737-500 compared to the B737-300 model, an old buddy of mine flew both types as a Captain with Shuttle by United (he now flies 757/767 aircraft as a PIC with UA). He always preferred the 735 to the 733 when operating into airports with shorter runways as it was his experience that the series 500 had better short field performance.

And thanks again for your excellent commentary!
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
25. If you want to fly a Lockheed L-1011-500 from the U.S. to Honolulu, there’s only a single flight each day. Identify the airline and the route.
PA from SFO.
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Old Mar 6, 15, 4:57 pm
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The following 10 questions are based upon schedules published in a 1983 Pocket Flight Guide

21. Once well served by Continental and Texas International, the Albuquerque to Los Angeles route is now served by two different airlines – one offering two daily flights, the other just one. Identify each airline.

23. Identify the airline and aircraft operating the longest distance flight scheduled out of Memphis.

26. As of summer 1983, there was only one 757 flight into all of Canada. It originated in the U.S. Identify the airline and the route.
21. PS & TW
23. UA MEM-SFO with 727-100
26. EA MIA-YYZ; but I might have the US city wrong.
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3. A thorough perusal of the pocket flight guide revealed eight Michigan cities that enjoyed jet service in late 1975. Can you identify them all? (Answers such as “Well I can identify six of them” will be summarily ignored)
And all of these were served by North Central DC-9-30's
1. Marquette
2. Escabana
3. Houghton
4. Iron Mountain
5. Grand Rapids
6. Lansing
7. Detroit
and there was Traverse City.

MQT-ESC-(GRB)-GRR-LAN-DTW was the morning milk run. TVC-GRR- (ORD). CMX-IMT- (GRB) ; there might have been a PLN-TVC NC flight also.


Then we have United serving Flint and Saginaw to ORD along with LAN and GRR. I'm wondering if the Upper Peninsula cities didn't show up in the pocket guide.

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4. What was the longest scheduled flight into or out of Santa Ana, California (SNA)? °

If I recall right, there was a limit to the distance of a non-stop flight out of SNA at that time.
Therefore, I think it was Air California to Sacramento. (404 miles)
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29. Once well served with nonstop jet flights from American and Western, in the summer of 1983 the Los Angeles to Palm Springs route is served by just a single daily jet flight. Identify the airline and equipment serving this route.
Pacific Express with a BAC-111.

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