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Old Nov 5, 14, 8:18 am
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
Whew! Quite the trip there, J! I hope you were able to take advantage of Alaska's double mileage promotion on the DTW-SEA-ANC outbound. (Unless you were on a DL issued ticket...) With Alaska having more coastline than the rest of the U.S. combined, I'd say seafood would be perfectly representative of a good Alaskan meal.

Have you visited McMenamin's High Street Brewery & Café in Eugene?
I was indeed flying DL, and as I have a WA mailing address in anticipation of our return next year I was able to accrue double miles -- both redeemable and Medallion qualification -- on all DL flight segments that originate or terminate SEA ... so BWI-DTW-SEA, SEA-ANC-SEA, and SEA-JFK-BWI were all on separate tickets ...

we have been to McMenamin's East 19th St Cafe and North Bank in EUG, but not yet to High Street ... perhaps on next month's trip (which will get me to DL Platinum for next year)


as for this one:
10 In late 1981, this airline offered the only nonstop turboprop flights between New York’s JFK and Boston. Identify both the airline and the aircraft flown.

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I'm going to weigh in with one of my other possibilities: an Air New England FH-227
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We're getting closer. It wasn't an FH-227 though...
ah ... before they shut down in late 1981, didn't Air New England also run Convair 580s?


EDIT: I see our illustrious and always-well-informed colleague WHBM actually posted his guess -- as usual, with plenty of supporting information -- while I was crafting the less significant part of my reply

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Old Nov 5, 14, 9:48 am
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
10. This airline offered the only nonstop turboprop flights between New York’s JFK and Boston. Identify both the airline and the aircraft flown.

If it's Air New England I'll have a stab at a Convair 580. They had a shared operation around this time with Aspen Airways, ANE used to use the Convairs in the Cape Cod summer season, then when ski-ing time came along the aircraft went back to Aspen. This carried on over several years around 1977-82.

Winna! Winna! Chowdah dinna! (As said with that broad New England patois )

jrl767 scores an assist with his nice Air New England crossing pass ^

This brings back memories of a chowder tour I did through three New England states back in the eighties. Wicked good!

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Old Nov 5, 14, 3:28 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
WHBM ..... while I was crafting ..... my reply
Oh dear, I do apologise. it's quite unfair of me to be some 5-8 hours ahead of the rest of you in time zones.
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I, on the other hand, apparently did not provide sufficient supporting detail to make it clear that "crafting the less significant part of my reply" took less than 10 minutes from reading Seat 2A's response with the additional clue ...
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Old Nov 5, 14, 11:33 pm
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I am presently in Needles, California (staying in a wonderful old Route 66 era motel built in 1950) in preparation for tomorrow's trek to Sin City where First Class seats await aboard a pair of Alaska Airlines 737-800s up to Seattle and on to Alaska.

Given my location, here's a bonus question for y'all:

Where is the closest of the five major southwestern airliner graveyards? (All in Arizona and California)
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Old Nov 5, 14, 11:42 pm
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48. June 1963, this U.S. airline served 46 cities in 10 countries and was the 10th largest airline in the world.

49. The Boeing 720 was designed to offer increased performance on short-to-medium range routes. Per schedules published in early 1965, what was the longest route operated by the 720 within the continental United States? Which airline operated it? A N S W E R E D

53. If you want to fly on a jet between Kingston, Jamaica and San Juan, PR in early 1965, only one airline fits the bill with twice weekly service (Tue/Thu). Which airline would this be and what type of jet would you be flying upon? For a cyber pat on the back, identify the only other airline and aircraft (Propeller) that offered nonstop flights on this route. P A R T I A L L Y A N S W E R E D
HINT: We know about the BWIA/BOAC Viscount. We're looking for the jet service, which was operated by a four engine jetliner...

57. Following a delicious luncheon 38000 feet over New Mexico and Arizona, you decide to while away an hour or two in the International Lounge. Name the airline and aircraft upon which you’d be flying.
HINT: New Mexico and Arizona are flown over in order. ...

58. What airline and aircraft would you be flying upon if you were enjoying the company of your fellow travelers in the “Cloud Club”?

61. Upon what airline and aircraft would you find a lounge called the “Teahouse of the Sky”?

62. You’re sipping rum based cocktails in the Oceania Lounge. What airline and aircraft would you be flying upon?
HINT: When this aircraft was delivered, this lounge was known by a different name. A pat on the back if you can also identify that name...

63. A wide, comfortable seat awaits you in the California Room. Name the airline and aircraft upon which you'd be flying.

66. It's 1967 and you're enjoying a cold beer and a good conversation around the table with your fellow travelers in the Voyageur Lounge. Which airline and aircraft would you be flying upon?

67. Your boarding pass indicates that you are seated in the Kabuki Room. What airline and aircraft are you about to board?

69. It's twenty-two minutes into the flight and you've just received a nicely chilled glass of top flight Champagne. Now you can begin to truly relax in anticipation of the wonderful Blue Diamond Service you'll enjoy over the next ten hours to London. What airline are you flying?

70. What airline would you be flying if you were seated in a Kosmo Suite?

71. As a First Class passenger on this airline, you’re entitled to relax in the Golden Wing Club prior to your flight. Which airline are you flying? A N S W E R E D

72. Your company has finally decided to pay for a better class of travel on your upcoming trip overseas. This time you’ll be enjoying the larger seat and enhanced catering of this airline’s “Cloud Nine Service”. Which airline would this be?

74. It’s 1983 and since you’ve got an hour and a half before your flight to New York departs, you decide to head over to your airline’s airport lounge known as the President’s Suite. Which airline are you flying?

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Old Nov 6, 14, 8:06 am
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
I am presently in Needles, California (staying in a wonderful old Route 66 era motel built in 1950) in preparation for tomorrow's trek to Sin City where First Class seats await aboard a pair of Alaska Airlines 737-800s up to Seattle and on to Alaska.

Given my location, here's a bonus question for y'all:

Where is the closest of the five major southwestern airliner graveyards? (All in Arizona and California)
Kingman AZ (IGM) ... about 55 miles straight line, 70 by road
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Old Nov 6, 14, 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
49. The Boeing 720 was designed to offer increased performance on short-to-medium range routes. Per schedules published in early 1965, what was the longest route operated by the 720 within the continental United States? Which airline operated it?
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49 - I have to believe this was JFK-SEA (approx 2400 miles), with a red-tailed Northwest 720B
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Per the schedule I referenced, there were two flights operated with 720s that were longer than the JFK-SEA run. Please - guess again!
49 - the only TCON operators in 1963 were American, Northwest, TWA, and United; since TW didn't fly the 720, and since I wasn't given partial credit for NW, we are left with AA and UA

I'm going to speculate that UA ran a couple of 720 trips to JFK from LAX (approx 2500 miles) and SFO (approx 2600 miles); it would have been impractical to schedule the westbound routes, against prevailing winds, as nonstops
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
If it's Air New England I'll have a stab at a Convair 580. They had a shared operation around this time with Aspen Airways, ANE used to use the Convairs in the Cape Cod summer season, then when ski-ing time came along the aircraft went back to Aspen. This carried on over several years around 1977-82.


I thought that question was about a STEAK dinner........

Very interesting information concerning the shared use of Convair 580 turboprops by Aspen and Air New England.....were these actually Aspen aircraft that were flown on a seasonal basis by ANE? If so, I'm inclined to think the Aspen livery would have remained unchanged while they were operated in the northeast U.S. (perhaps a name change only to "Air New England" on the fuselage?).....

Meantime, I am unsure whether Frontier operated the B727-100 or B727-200 on the aforementioned Petroleum Club Service between Dallas and Denver. If I remember correctly, I believe Frontier operated both the 727 and 72S into Love Field during the late 1960's. So perhaps both types were flown on this DAL-DEN service.

And if I had been presented with a chicken entree rather than a steak dinner on one of these FL operated flights, I would have promptly changed my return flight to Braniff International, complimentary Mateus not withstanding.....

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Old Nov 6, 14, 11:43 am
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Very interesting information concerning the shared use of Convair 580 turboprops by Aspen and Air New England.....were these actually Aspen aircraft that were flown on a seasonal basis by ANE? If so, I'm inclined to think the Aspen livery would have remained unchanged while they were operated in the northeast U.S. (perhaps a name change only to "Air New England" on the fuselage?).....
It looks like no two aircraft had the same livery

Joint titles :

http://airlinersgallery.smugmug.com/...ir/i-Z7SZxTC/A

Air NE :

http://airlinersgallery.smugmug.com/...ir/i-HhZPsMd/A

Aspen livery, ANE titles

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/14053839996/

I think both companies leased the aircraft, from a dealer.

And if I had been presented with a chicken entree rather than a steak dinner
I think this is a USA usage of entrée, meaning the main dish, rather than the original French (and UK/Australian etc) usage of it being the entrance, that is a starter. Wonder how that transposition happened. Because, of course you could have a little bonne bouche chicken entrée, followed by a steak (wonder if Air France have ever managed steak frites on board). If we ever have an FT OTAAQ in London, as sometimes threatened, I'll lead the way to my favourite French steak frites place, not far from London City airport.

http://www.relaisdevenise.com/canarywharf/

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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post

It looks like no two aircraft had the same livery

Joint titles :

http://airlinersgallery.smugmug.com/...ir/i-Z7SZxTC/A

Air NE :

http://airlinersgallery.smugmug.com/...ir/i-HhZPsMd/A

Aspen livery, ANE titles

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/14053839996/

I think both companies leased the aircraft, from a dealer.

If we ever have an FT OTAAQ in London, as sometimes threatened, I'll lead the way to my favourite French steak frites place, not far from London City airport.

http://www.relaisdevenise.com/canarywharf/
Ah, I can just hear the color commentary offered by some airline passenger at, say, LaGuardia following the sighting of the CV-580 with both airline's names on the aircraft..... "Yes, indeed, I know exactly what that's all about: it's a joint Air New England/Aspen Airways service from New York City nonstop to Aspen, Colorado only offered during the summer months......"

And good Lord, sir! It appears you'll have us dining and imbibing on the Isle of the Dogs! Of course, we shall have a howling good time.....
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Old Nov 6, 14, 6:17 pm
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Winner Winner Steak Dinner?

Legend has it that years ago most every casino in Las Vegas had a three-piece chicken dinner with potato and veggies for $1.79. A standard bet back then was $2, hence when you won a bet you had enough for a chicken dinner. Thus, it was not at all uncommon to hear the call of glorious victory ring out “Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!"

I probably should have used this phrase in response to a correct answer for flights to Las Vegas but alas, neither Frontier nor any other airline that I'm aware of offered special catering specifically designed for the Las Vegas market.
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Old Nov 6, 14, 6:36 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
Given my location in Needles, California, here's a bonus question for y'all:

Where is the closest of the five major southwestern airliner graveyards?


Kingman AZ (IGM) ... about 55 miles straight line, 70 by road.

Correct! I was there a few months ago and I spotted most of the old Comair fleet of CRJ-200s as well as a large number of American Eagle and Continental Express ERJ-135s. Kingman was once served by Bonanza F27s. These days I believe Great Lakes Airlines provides service with Beech 1900s...
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Old Nov 6, 14, 6:37 pm
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I wonder if anyone will know the answer to this trivia question....

What was Delta's pet name for the Boeing 727?
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Old Nov 6, 14, 6:56 pm
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49. The Boeing 720 was designed to offer increased performance on short-to-medium range routes. Per schedules published in early 1965, what was the longest route operated by the 720 within the continental United States? Which airline operated it?
HINT: Per the schedule I referenced, there were two flights operated with 720s that were longer than the JFK-SEA run.

The only TCON operators in 1963 were American, Northwest, TWA, and United; since TW didn't fly the 720, and since I wasn't given partial credit for NW, we are left with AA and UA

I'm going to speculate that UA ran a couple of 720 trips to JFK from LAX (approx 2500 miles) and SFO (approx 2600 miles); it would have been impractical to schedule the westbound routes, against prevailing winds, as nonstop

TWA did operate four 720-051Bs for a short time in 1961/62. The aircraft were destined for Northwest but I believe NW wasn't quite ready for them just yet and so they provided TWA extra capacity (as well as TWA's first experience with fan-jet powered aircraft) for about a year. So far as I know they were returned to Boeing in late 1962.

Getting back to our question which covers operations in 1965, United was not one of the airlines involved.

Using mileage provided by webflyer.com, I can tell you that based upon schedules published in the 1965 OAG I referenced for this question, two airlines operated scheduled 720 services over two different routes (one per airline) and each route was the exact same distance (over 2500 miles). One of the routes started in the Continental United States but ended outside of the 48 states.

So - care to have another gander at this?

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