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Old May 4, 2014, 2:39 pm
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6. In 1962, United Air Lines was operating five different aircraft types nonstop between Seattle (SEA) and Portland (PDX). Name them all.
1. DC-8
2. DC-6
3. DC-7
4. 720
5. Convair 340
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Old May 4, 2014, 2:49 pm
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Originally Posted by WHBM
This is actually a type which I think we have not covered before, the Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer (Twin Pin to its friends). They didn't sell too many, but it was quite popular in this part of Asia with the airlines, the local air forces, and the RAF when they still operated there. Think of it as a piston-engine Twin Otter and you're pretty much there, except it had a triple tail, like a little Connie. Scottish Aviation had a big repair and overhaul facility at Prestwick in Scotland, they didn't do many new aircraft designs but they did this one. Nowadays the buildings are part of Ryanair's main maintenance base, which is there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottis...n_Twin_Pioneer

It was the last type built in the UK, and one of the last in the world, with Radial engines, Alvis Leonides, built in Coventry. There's one left flying in the UK, immaculately kept and which turns up on the airshow circuit in the summer, where it always shows how extremely STOL it was, does overflights in the display at about 40 knots on full flap and high rpm (impressive when into a 35-knot headwind), and afterwards does 10 minute rides. I've never taken one yet, but must do, to get a rare type before they're all gone.
44. Absolutely correct! And certainly an interesting looking aircraft!
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Old May 4, 2014, 2:58 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
... 47. Also during the early 1960's, United introduced a version of the Douglas DC-8 which they called the "DC-8 Mark IV". What distinguished this model from earlier DC-8 aircraft operated by UA? ...
this would most likely have been the DC-8 Series 50 with JT3D turbofan engines; their first deliveries were turbojet-powered Series 10s and Series 20s (some of which were later re-engined and redesignated)

I have flown on fan-powered N8007U and N8009U (both of which were built as Series 10), and on N8012U (Series 20) with the JT4A smoke and noise generators
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Originally Posted by Icecat
50. In 1957, Canadian Pacific was serving only two airports in the U.S. One was Honolulu (HNL). Identify the other U.S. destination, describe the route and also name the aircraft type flown by CP on this service.

Fairbanks, DC-3. Whitehorse to Fairbanks with stops at Mayo and Dawson City on the 3rd Thursday of the month.
50. Correct!

And if you missed this flight which only operated once a month to Fairbanks from Whitehorse, you could then wait until the following Saturday and catch Pan American World Airways flight 905 operated with a Boeing 377 Super "Strato" Clipper (as described by PA). Actual routing of this flight was Seattle-Juneau-Whitehorse-Fairbanks operated on Tuesdays and Saturdays.

But what if you did not want to wait? Well, you could backtrack south to Vancouver with a choice of two departures, both operated by Canadian Pacific with Convair 240 equipment. There was the morning "milk run" from Whitehorse to YVR which made stops in Watson Lake, Fort Nelson, Fort St. John and Prince George, and there was also a late night red eye nonstop from YXY to YVR. Once in Vancouver, it was short hop to Seattle via a stop in Victoria on board a Trans-Canada Air Lines (TCA) Douglas DC-3 with up to six flights a day being operated on a YVR-YYJ-SEA round trip routing. And from Seattle, you could choose between the daily nonstop to Fairbanks flown by Alaska Airlines with a Douglas DC-6 or a Pan American World Airways Boeing 377 Super "Strato" Clipper operating nonstop from SEA to FAI (with continuing service to Nome (OME) twice a week but operated with a Douglas DC-4 between FAI and OME).

Or, if all else failed, one could simply stroll over to the Alaska Highway in Whitehorse, stick out the old thumb and hope for the best! Sound familiar, Seat 2A ?
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Originally Posted by Icecat
46. In 1962, United Air Lines was operating five different aircraft types nonstop between Seattle (SEA) and Portland (PDX). Name them all.
1. DC-8
2. DC-6
3. DC-7
4. 720
5. Convair 340
46. Correct!
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... 42. This airline was operating nonstop jet service every weekday on the short hop from Dallas Love Field to Greater Southwest Airport (GSW). However, the return flight from GSW to DAL was operated with non jet equipment. Identify the air carrier and the respective aircraft types it operated in each direction. ...
I think there are two airline contenders here, both with the same set of equipment possibilities ...

airlines: American, Braniff
jet service: BAC 1-11, Boeing 727
non-jet service: Convair, DC-6, Electra

so there are twelve permutations ... first guess is BN, BAC, Electra
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Originally Posted by jrl767
this would most likely have been the DC-8 Series 50 with JT3D turbofan engines; their first deliveries were turbojet-powered Series 10s and Series 20s (some of which were later re-engined and redesignated)

I have flown on fan-powered N8007U and N8009U (both of which were built as Series 10), and on N8012U (Series 20) with the JT4A smoke and noise generators
47. According to a United Air Lines system timetable at the time.....

"The MARK IV is United Air Lines' designation of the advanced DC-8 model equipped with more powerful JT-4 turbofan engines."
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Originally Posted by jlemon
47. According to a United Air Lines system timetable at the time.....

"The MARK IV is United Air Lines' designation of the advanced DC-8 model equipped with more powerful JT-4 turbofan engines."
well ... the JT4A was in fact a two-spool (low pressure and high pressure) engine, but since it was zero bypass (i.e., all the low flow went into the high system for combustion) it isn't technically a "turbofan"

the JT3D had an enlarged low-pressure compressor (aka "fan") and a bypass ratio of approximately 1.4 ... in other words, approx 40% of the low flow didn't go into the high system
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Originally Posted by jrl767
I think there are two airline contenders here, both with the same set of equipment possibilities ...

airlines: American, Braniff
jet service: BAC 1-11, Boeing 727
non-jet service: Convair, DC-6, Electra

so there are twelve permutations ... first guess is BN, BAC, Electra
42. Braniff International with the BAC One-Eleven is correct! The actual routing was DAL-GSW-HOU. Return service with a routing of HOU-GSW-DAL was operated by BN with a Lockheed L-188 Electra.
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well ... the JT4A was in fact a two-spool (low pressure and high pressure) engine, but since it was zero bypass (i.e., all the low flow went into the high system) it isn't technically a "turbofan"
I merely quoted what United said about the aircraft.....
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... 3. Avianca was operating direct service once a week between Bogota and New York where two intermediate stops were made en route with both being located on the same island. Name these two stops and also the aircraft type operated on the service. ...
"same island" is the giveaway here ... Kingston and Montego Bay, Jamaica

in 1962 AV probably operated a 707 on this route
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Originally Posted by jlemon
I merely quoted what United said about the aircraft.....
no one should really be too surprised to see that less-than-fully-accurate advertising and marketing "spin" on technical minutiae has been around for a long time

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Originally Posted by jrl767
no one should really be too surprised to see that less-than-fully-accurate advertising and marketing "spin" on technical minutiae has been around for a long time
A recent real classic was the hugely expensive British Airways TV ad showing them from their earliest days to today, with a 747-400 at London Heathrow. For some bizarre reason the ad agency had taken film of a Virgin 747 and electronically changed the livery to BA (it's not as if the latter doesn't have enough 747s around Heathrow, is it .....?). Of course as soon as it was shown on TV all the cognoscenti said "GE engines - nonsense", and the game was up. BA PR had to make an apology

However, it gives me the chance to link to one of the best airline ads ever. The 747 blunder is at the 1:00 point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XozHLoqwp_4

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gin-plane.html

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Originally Posted by jrl767
"same island" is the giveaway here ... Kingston and Montego Bay, Jamaica

in 1962 AV probably operated a 707 on this route
3. Kingston (KIN) and Montego Bay (MBJ) are indeed correct.....however, as for the aircraft type, you are close.....but no cigar!
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3. Kingston (KIN) and Montego Bay (MBJ) are indeed correct.....however, as for the aircraft type, you are close.....but no cigar!
well neither Colombia nor Jamaica are noted for cigars ...

I'd venture that the only thing "close" to a 707 is a 720
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