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Old Jan 31, 12, 3:50 am
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
N702ML, are you sure it was US Air? They would seem the obvious choice, what with the hub at PIT, but I remember flying them between PIT and MSY in years past and always having to stop in MEM or BNA along the way. I was thinking United. It'll be interesting to see the answer...
I must admit, I thought this question may be a trick because it was so obvious. So, after you questioned it, I went and checked:

From 1981...

PIT-MSY 3 daily nonstops on USAir (two 727s and a DC-9-30)

In 1995....

PIT-MSY 3 daily non-stops on USAir (a 737-400, a Fokker 100, and an MD-80)
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Old Jan 31, 12, 8:45 am
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Originally Posted by tonywestsider View Post
I'll guess at this one for now:

1.) Delta (none on their L1011s, 767s and for awhile, none on their 747s in the 1970s or the ones operating today)
2.) Eastern (none on their L1011s, A300s and for awhile, none on their 747s)3.) Northwest (none on their DC-10s and 747s)
When Eastern introduced its L-1011 in 1972, the airplanes had both a First and Coach class lounge. I remember a full page ad that ran in the New York Times in April 1972 with a diagram of the L1011 interior. You could write away for it in poster form for just 50 cents. Which of course I did. In the meantime, HERE'S A LINK showing the seating configuration when Eastern introduced its L1011...
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Old Jan 31, 12, 9:20 am
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
6) What airline operated jet service into Ely, Nevada (ELY) and what was the aircraft type?

Are we talking scheduled or charter? I know Casino Express used to operate a 737-200 into Ely on behalf of one of the local casinos. United may have used a 737-200 on the route for awhile as well. Last I noticed though, they were using a wet leased Frontier Convair 580 for that service (SLC-ELY-ELKO-RNO-SFO) back in the 1970s.
Correct! United did use a B737-200 on this route prior to switching to the Convair 580.

And if you go way back to the very old days, I believe UA flew this route with a DC-6.
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Old Jan 31, 12, 9:50 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
Correct! United did use a B737-200 on this route prior to switching to the Convair 580. And if you go way back to the very old days, I believe UA flew this route with a DC-6.
They did. I have a 1966 OAG showing DC-6s on this route.

By the way, there's a couple of really old OAGs up for sale on ebay right now. They're not cheap! I've paid over $100.00 for some 1960s era OAGs, but they sure are fun to read through once you have them.
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Originally Posted by N702ML View Post
I must admit, I thought this question may be a trick because it was so obvious. So, after you questioned it, I went and checked:

From 1981...

PIT-MSY 3 daily nonstops on USAir (two 727s and a DC-9-30)

In 1995....

PIT-MSY 3 daily non-stops on USAir (a 737-400, a Fokker 100, and an MD-80)
You and Seat 2A are actually both right.

Prior to deregulation, this was a United route. In 1976, UA operated two (2) daily roundtrip nonstops PIT-MSY with B727-100 aircraft.

Then along came deregulation and also the rise of US Air hub at Pittsburgh. In addition to the flight data above, in 1994 US operated two (2) daily roundtrip nonstops PIT-MSY with Fokker 100 twinjets.
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
14) Eastern Airlines operated a considerable number of L-1011 flights into their San Juan, Puerto Rico (SJU) hub in the 70's. Name seven (7) U.S. cities that had nonstop EA L-1011 service to and from San Juan.

While flying an Unlimited Mileage Fare in 1977, I flew five of those routes aboard Eastern's L-1011s

PHL SJU EASTERN L-1011 N327EA 1580
SJU BOS EASTERN L-1011 N329EA 1670
MIA SJU EASTERN L-1011 N316EA 1050
ATL SJU EASTERN L-1011 N309EA 1520
ORD SJU EASTERN L-1011 N304EA 2070

I'm thinking that the other routes were

JFK-SJU
MCO-SJU
Not bad! And JFK-SJU is correct as well. The other EA L-1011 nonstops were:

Newark-San Juan
Baltimore-San Juan

So back in 1976, there were actually eight (8) nonstop EA L-1011 nonstop routes into SJU; however, I did not count the New York/Newark market twice.

EA also offered one stop, direct L-1011 service at this time from Buffalo, Chicago (in addition to the nonstop), Detroit and Hartford. Two stop, direct L-1011 service was offered by EA from Toronto.
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Sorry to bump post 268. If you roll back to say, 1969 air service into MUE, I'd say Aloha operated BAC One Elevens there before Hawaiian started DC-9-30 service. I'm glad you both got Hawaiian's DC-9 service to MUE correct, though!
Ah, I stand corrected! I did not know that Aloha operated the BAC One-Eleven into Kamuela on the Big Island!
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3.) What airline used to offer nonstop service from New York to Fairbanks, Alaska?

5.) What U.S. airline has operated both the BAC-111 and the BAe-146?

6.) What airline, based in a major east coast city, used to offer scheduled service with a fleet of Fokker F28-4000s and McDonnell Douglas DC9-30s?


I'll attempt to answer these:

3) Pan Am. I think the service continued on to Asia, perhaps Tokyo?

5) Air Wisconsin has been mentioned above but how about US Air as well? BAC One-Eleven aircraft came from Mohawk in the merger/acquisition and additional BAC 1-11s were acquired used from other carriers. And the BAe 146 aircraft came from PSA.

6) Altair. I think they were based in PHL.
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4) What airline provided service into Marin County, CA (JMC) and what equipment did they use?

7) What airline operated jet service into Jackson, TN (MKL) and what type of aircraft did they use?

10) What airline operated DC-8 Super 60 series aircraft nonstop between New York and St. Maarten/St. Martin (SXM) in the Caribbean?

11) What airline operated B707 service nonstop between San Antonio (SAT) and Mexico City (MEX)?

12) What airline operated jet service into Santa Fe, New Mexico (SAF) in the 70's and what was the aircraft type?


I'll go ahead and answer these questions now (with the promise of more questions to come):

4) The clue here is the three letter airport code beginning with "J". Many heliports in the U.S. begin with "J" and such is the case here. The air carrier was SFO Helicopter Airlines operating the large (for a helicopter), twin turbine engine Sikorsky S-61 which I believe was configured with 19 passenger seats and also had a flight attendant on board. My first helicopter flight ever was on an SFO Helicopter Airlines S-61 across the SF Bay to SFO. On that day, I connected to my first flight ever on a B747 which was operated by American Airlines nonstop SFO-ORD (and this airplane even had a piano bar in the back of the coach section).

7) Southern Airways with the DC-9.

10) KLM Royal Dutch Airlines.

11) American Airlines. Typical routing was MEX-SAT-DFW-DTW.

12) Trans-Texas Airways (TTa) with a DC-9. I flew into Santa Fe with TTa in a DC-9 with a routing of HOU-DAL-MAF-ROW-ABQ-SAF.
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Old Jan 31, 12, 7:56 pm
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jlemon, you're right on with your answers to my questions. And of course Wally Bird as well. Now I have a couple of questions/comments on yours...

4) What airline provided service into Marin County, CA (JMC) and what equipment did they use?

Didn't New York Airways use the S-61 as well? I remember Pan Am also used to operate a helicopter service off the roof of the Pan Am building. I don't think they used S-61s though...

10) What airline operated DC-8 Super 60 series aircraft nonstop between New York and St. Maarten/St. Martin (SXM) in the Caribbean?

Were these flights operated as ALM some days of the week? And if so, were there ever any DC-8s painted up in ALM livery? (Basically KLM livery with ALM titles if it happened)

11) What airline operated B707 service nonstop between San Antonio (SAT) and Mexico City (MEX)?

I was gonna say Braniff. Did Braniff ever operate the SAT-MEX route with 707/720 equipment?

12) What airline operated jet service into Santa Fe, New Mexico (SAF) in the 70's and what was the aircraft type?

Just curious, did TTA ever offer First Class service? In a trip report written in Airliners International magazine back in 1974, David P. Morgan (The editor and also longtime editor of Trains magazine and also the man who inspired me to write trip reports) reported that he flew in First Class aboard a TTA DC-9. I've never seen F offered on TTA or Texas International in any of my old schedules.

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Old Jan 31, 12, 8:09 pm
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Here's a couple of questions:

1.) What two airlines operated DC-8 Super 60 series aircraft nonstop between New York and San Juan, Puerto Rico?

2. What happened to BWIA's fleet of 727-100s?

3. What happened to Allegheny's fleet of two 727-200s?

4.) What two U.S. airlines operated the Boeing 707-320, 720B and DC-8?
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Old Jan 31, 12, 8:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
jlemon, you're right on with your answers to my questions. And of course Wally Bird as well. Now I have a couple of questions/comments on yours...

4) What airline provided service into Marin County, CA (JMC) and what equipment did they use?

Didn't New York Airways use the S-61 as well? I remember Pan Am also used to operate a helicopter service off the roof of the Pan Am building. I don't think they used S-61s though...

10) What airline operated DC-8 Super 60 series aircraft nonstop between New York and St. Maarten/St. Martin (SXM) in the Caribbean?

Were these flights operated as ALM some days of the week? And if so, were there ever any DC-8s painted up in ALM livery? (Basically KLM livery with ALM titles if it happened)

11) What airline operated B707 service nonstop between San Antonio (SAT) and Mexico City (MEX)?

I was gonna say Braniff. Did Braniff ever operate the SAT-MEX route with 707/720 equipment?

12) What airline operated jet service into Santa Fe, New Mexico (SAF) in the 70's and what was the aircraft type?

Just curious, did TTA ever offer First Class service? In a trip report written in Airliners International magazine back in 1974, David P. Morgan (The editor and also longtime editor of Trains magazine and also the man who inspired me to write trip reports) reported that he flew in First Class aboard a TTA DC-9. I've never seen F offered on TTA or Texas International in any of my old schedules.
I believe that New York Airways did fly the S-61 at one point; however, this helicopter air carrier is perhaps better known for flying another helicopter type, being the twin rotor Boeing Vertol BV-107. Some of these BV-107s are still flying to this day for Columbia Helicopters (with this company being based in Oregon) but they do not normally transport passengers. They are instead used for firefighting, heavy lifting and other utility applications. BTW, the BV-107 is the civil version of the CH-46 "Sea Knight" military helicopter used by the U.S. Marines and the U.S. Navy.

I'm not sure if ALM operated these flights. Referencing the February 1976 OAG, these flights appear to be operated solely by KLM with the airline designation "KL" (for KLM) instead of "LM" (for ALM) appearing before the flight numbers (KL 980 & KL 989). So here's a question: did ALM ever operate the stretched DC-8 Super 60 series?

Braniff operated in direct competition with American on the SAT-MEX route flying two (2) daily nonstops with B727-100 or B727-200 aircraft. And Mexicana competed on this route as well with two (2) daily onestop, direct flights using B727-200 aircraft in an all coach configuration. So back in 1976, there were five (5) flights a day beween San Antonio and Mexico City.

When I flew on TTa, their DC-9s were in an all coach configuration. However, I believe I've read somewhere that when TTa first initiated DC-9 service, these aircraft did indeed have a first class cabin.
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Old Jan 31, 12, 9:35 pm
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When Eastern introduced its L-1011 in 1972, the airplanes had both a First and Coach class lounge. I remember a full page ad that ran in the New York Times in April 1972 with a diagram of the L1011 interior. You could write away for it in poster form for just 50 cents. Which of course I did. In the meantime, HERE'S A LINK showing the seating configuration when Eastern introduced its L1011...
I stand to be corrected! Memory fail. Weren't one of these lounges on the L-1011 called the Ionosphere Lounge? As opposed to the Ionosphere Club at airport locations?

So, to return to the original question, if not Eastern, was it Pan Am?
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Old Feb 1, 12, 12:01 am
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As to the original question: Name three airlines, operating domestic U.S. flights in the 1970s, that never installed coach lounges on their widebodied aircraft.

Delta
National
Northwest
Western


I suppose you could also throw in The Hawaii Express and possibly World Airways, historically a supplemental carrier but post deregulation in 1980 I flew a scheduled flight on World aboard a DC-10-30 between LAX and OAK. I just don't know if World was running scheduled flights in the 1970s or I'd add their name to the mix for sure.

As to the name of the lounge, I don't remember if it had a name or not but Ionosphere Lounge sounds as good as anything. I'm wondering now how many of these lounges had names other than The Coach Lounge. Continental's was The Polynesian Pub, but I don't think UA, AA or TW actually had a name for their lounges.
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Some answers-----
BWIA 727-100s went to Braniff in trade for 707s.

The short time span of 727-200s with Allegheny (1970-71) ended when they went to Braniff.

Two U.S Airlines using 707, 720B and DC-8---Braniff and Pan Am?
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