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Old Feb 6, 2024, 2:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Herb687
How about a daily double of guesses involving Top Banana in the West?

#22: RW DC9 TVL-OAK connecting to AA 727 OAK-PHX-DFW-FLL

#23: RW F27 MFR-RDD-CIC-SMF-SFO connecting to OC 737 SFO-SNA
Well, folks, we've got a couple of terrific guesses here!

22. You are correct with regard to the connecting airport as it was indeed Oakland (OAK).

However, Hughes Airwest was no longer serving Lake Tahoe by 1978. It appears the last year of service by RW from TVL was around 1973 when the airline was operating nonstop flights to SFO with a Fairchild F-27. As we've discussed in the past, Hughes Airwest predecessor Pacific Air Lines did operate 727-100 service into Lake Tahoe at one point which subsequently resulted in a ban on scheduled passenger flights operated with jet equipment at TVL, probably due to noise issues. Thus, to the best of my knowledge, Hughes Airwest never served Lake Tahoe with either the DC-9-10 or DC-9-30. Meantime, the jet ban did not affect turboprop flights at the airport and it was many years until mainline jet aircraft were allowed to once again operate into TVL on a scheduled basis. And in fact, Lake Tahoe still did not have scheduled jet service in 1978 due to the ban so there's a hint for you concerning the equipment operated on the first flight.

And the second flight was not operated by American nor was the equipment a 727-100. Plus, the second flight did not stop in either Phoenix or Dallas/Fort Worth.

23. You are correct concerning Hughes Airwest operating the first flight and Air California operating the second flight.

However, the connection was not made in San Francisco although the RW flight indeed made stops in San Francisco as well as Sacramento. But it did not stop in Redding or Chico and was not operated with a Fairchild F-27. So that means it was operated with jet equipment and we are also looking for one more stop here besides SFO and SMF. And the nonstop Air California flight into Orange County John Wayne was not operated with a 737-100 or 737-200.

Please guess again, sir!

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Old Feb 6, 2024, 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
Well, folks, we've got a couple of terrific guesses here!

22. You are correct with regard to the connecting airport as it was indeed Oakland (OAK).

However, Hughes Airwest was no longer serving Lake Tahoe by 1978. It appears the last year of service by RW from TVL was around 1973 when the airline was operating nonstop flights to SFO with a Fairchild F-27. As we've discussed in the past, Hughes Airwest predecessor Pacific Air Lines did operate 727-100 service into Lake Tahoe at one point which subsequently resulted in a ban on scheduled passenger flights operated with jet equipment at TVL, probably due to noise issues. Thus, to the best of my knowledge, Hughes Airwest never served Lake Tahoe with either the DC-9-10 or DC-9-30. Meantime, the jet ban did not affect turboprop flights at the airport and it was many years until mainline jet aircraft were allowed to once again operate into TVL on a scheduled basis. And in fact, Lake Tahoe still did not have scheduled jet service in 1978 due to the ban so there's a hint for you concerning the equipment operated on the first flight.

And the second flight was not operated by American nor was the equipment a 727-100. Plus, the second flight did not stop in either Phoenix or Dallas/Fort Worth.

23. You are correct concerning Hughes Airwest operating the first flight and Air California operating the second flight.

However, the connection was not made in San Francisco although the RW flight indeed made stops in San Francisco as well as Sacramento. But it did not stop in Redding or Chico and was not operated with a Fairchild F-27. So that means it was operated with jet equipment and we are also looking for one more stop here besides SFO and SMF. And the nonstop Air California flight into Orange County John Wayne was not operated with a 737-100 or 737-200.

Please guess again, sir!
With 737s ruled out as the AirCal equipment, that must be a Lockheed L-188 Electra. But where was the connection made? Maybe they know the way to San Jose?

So, new guess for #23 has RW DC9 operating MFR-SMF-SFO-SJC connecting to an OC Electra for the nonstop SJC-SNA flight.

As for #22, another OC Electra on the trip down the Sierras TVL-OAK. Lots of possibilities for eastbound flights out of the Town but with PHX and DFW ruled out how about something much more northerly: UA standard DC8 routing OAK-DEN-CLE-FLL?
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Originally Posted by Herb687
With 737s ruled out as the AirCal equipment, that must be a Lockheed L-188 Electra. But where was the connection made? Maybe they know the way to San Jose?

So, new guess for #23 has RW DC9 operating MFR-SMF-SFO-SJC connecting to an OC Electra for the nonstop SJC-SNA flight.

As for #22, another OC Electra on the trip down the Sierras TVL-OAK. Lots of possibilities for eastbound flights out of the Town but with PHX and DFW ruled out how about something much more northerly: UA standard DC8 routing OAK-DEN-CLE-FLL?
Well, you're getting closer on both!

22. Air California operating an L-188 Electra from Lake Tahoe nonstop to Oakland is correct!

However, United did not operate the second flight and the second stop made by this service wasn't Cleveland.

But back in the fast and correct lane, the equipment operated on the second flight was indeed a DC-8 and the first stop was made in Denver.

23. Ah, the connection was not made in San Jose (SJC) from first flight operated by Hughes Airwest to the second flight operated by Air California. Plus, we are looking for three en route stops made by the RW flight and you've listed just two. And the equipment operated on the first flight wasn't a DC-9-10.....which means the service was operated with a DC-9-30.

But back on the plus side of the column, the second flight was indeed operated with an L-188 Electra.

Please guess again!
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Old Feb 6, 2024, 3:57 pm
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A standard DC-8 operating OAK-DEN but not on UA has me stumped. All the majors of the time save UA seem wrong for that combination of city pair and equipment. So, I will go with something totally different...

#22: already identified OC Electra TVL-OAK connecting to Transamerica with a DC-8 routing OAK-DEN-BWI-FLL.

As for #23, RW D9S MFR-ACV-SFO-SJC-SMF with SMF being the connect point to OC's Electra to SNA.
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Originally Posted by Herb687
A standard DC-8 operating OAK-DEN but not on UA has me stumped. All the majors of the time save UA seem wrong for that combination of city pair and equipment. So, I will go with something totally different...

#22: already identified OC Electra TVL-OAK connecting to Transamerica with a DC-8 routing OAK-DEN-BWI-FLL.

As for #23, RW D9S MFR-ACV-SFO-SJC-SMF with SMF being the connect point to OC's Electra to SNA.
22. Transamerica is a great guess....but no!

We are looking for another airline operating a standard DC-8 model. And the flight in question did not stop in Baltimore.

23. Well, the order of the stops you've guessed is just a bit off. The Hughes Airwest flight in question actually operated a routing of Medford - Eureka/Arcata - San Francisco - Sacramento - (connection city) and thus did not stop in San Jose. Plus the connection was not made in San Jose as well.

And you might want to consider my statement concerning an "easy connection".....

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Old Feb 7, 2024, 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
22. Transamerica is a great guess....but no!

We are looking for another airline operating a standard DC-8 model. And the flight in question did not stop in Baltimore.

23. Well, the order of the stops you've guessed is just a bit off. The Hughes Airwest flight in question actually operated a routing of Medford - Eureka/Arcata - San Francisco - Sacramento - (connection city) and thus did not stop in San Jose. Plus the connection was not made in San Jose as well.

And you might want to consider my statement concerning an "easy connection".....
It was 1978. What connection wasn't easy back then?

Anyway, Fresno sounds very logical for an easy interline connection. So, for #23: RW MFR-ACV-SFO-SMF-FAT where the connection was made to the OC Electra.

As for #22, Braniff is probably the most likely remaining DC-8 operator to have served the East Bay, and Denver, and Florida in 1978. But with BN's hometown airport of DFW previously ruled out as a stop... Maybe BN's big operation at MCI? How about the BN DC-8 operating OAK-DEN-MCI-FLL?
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Dupe post....oops.

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Old Feb 7, 2024, 2:27 pm
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22. Braniff International operating a standard DC-8 is correct!

However, the second stop was not made in Kansas City.

So please guess again, sir, and I sense a tap-in is right around the corner.....


Well, the little ol' Fresno Air Terminal (FAT) was an exceptionally easy airport with regard to making connections back in the day. In late 1978, it was only served by two other air carriers operating mainline equipment besides Hughes Airwest and Air California: United and Pacific Southwest. I flew into and out of FAT a number of times back then and it always felt like a sleepy little airfield.

23. And you are correct! Here are the Hughes Airwest and Air California scheds...

RW 935: Medford (MFR) 11:10a - 11:43a Eureka/Arcata (ACV) 12:10p - 1:01p San Francisco (SFO) 1:30p - 2:01p Sacramento (SMF) 2:25p - 3:04p Fresno (FAT)
Freq: Daily
Service classes: C/Y
Meal service: Nope...
Equip: DC-9-30
Note: Complete routing for RW 935 was SEA-PDX-MFR-ACV-SFO-SMF-FAT-PHX

Connecting to....

OC 48: Fresno (FAT) 5:20p - 6:10p Orange County (SNA)
Freq: Daily
Service class: S daily except Sat., K on Sat. only
Meal service: Nope...
Equip: L-188 Electra
Note: Complete routing for OC 48 was TVL-FAT-SNA
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Old Feb 8, 2024, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by Herb687
It was 1978. What connection wasn't easy back then?

Anyway, Fresno sounds very logical for an easy interline connection. So, for #23: RW MFR-ACV-SFO-SMF-FAT where the connection was made to the OC Electra.

As for #22, Braniff is probably the most likely remaining DC-8 operator to have served the East Bay, and Denver, and Florida in 1978. But with BN's hometown airport of DFW previously ruled out as a stop... Maybe BN's big operation at MCI? How about the BN DC-8 operating OAK-DEN-MCI-FLL?
22. Please see post # 28973 above!
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THIS SECTION UPDATED WITH THE LATEST INFO AS OF FRIDAY, FEB. 9

Please limit your response to two quiz questions per day so as many folks as possible can participate. And as always, please provide complete answers to include specific aircraft types where requested.

1. It's the summer of 1963 and you are in Houston. However, you do not have flowers in your hair and you are not heading to San Francisco. Instead, you will be departing to Chicago from Hobby Airport and have found an interesting milk run flight which operates daily and makes four intermediate stops en route. Identify the airline, all four stops in the order in which they will be made, the aircraft type and the specific airport you will arrive into in Chicago. It was Eastern operating an L-188 Electra. Routing was HOU - MSY - MOB - BHM - ___ - ORD. The flight in question did not stop in BNA, SDF or CVG. So all we need here is the fourth stop.

3. In 1971, two airlines were operating a joint service involving a through flight three days a week between Jamaica and Miami with one intermediate stop being made en route. And at this stop, flight crews from one of the air carriers were replaced with flight crews from the other airline with the same aircraft operating no change of plane service on the route. However, this wasn't a typical interchange service as the equipment was provided by just one of the air carriers in question 100% of the time. So with all this in mind, identify the airport this service used in Jamaica as well as both airlines, the intermediate stop where the flight crews were changed and the aircraft type. Plus, also identify which air carrier provided the equipment with your answer.

4. In 1972, this South American air carrier was serving several domestic destinations in its home country with a twin engine jet aircraft type that was specifically designed to operate into unimproved airports with unpaved gravel runways. The equipment in question was a version of an existing type with this airplane featuring components from several other existing models. Identify this aircraft type by its specific model number and also name the South American airline that operated it.

5. Now it's 1973 and you are in Kingston, Jamaica. You are on your way to Barbados on a flight which will make one stop en route. Identify the air carrier, the stop and the equipment.

6. In 1974, this airline was operating a "midnight flyer" service from Los Angeles to Sacramento which made one stop en route. The one way fare from LAX to SMF was $17.90. Name this air carrier, the stop and the aircraft type.
ANSWERED - Please see post # 28985

The next three quiz questions all have a time line of 1979.....

8. You are on your way from Los Angeles to Winnipeg. Two airlines are involved with your journey with each operating different equipment built by the same manufacturer. Your first flight will make two stops en route from LAX to your connection airport and your second flight will make one stop en route to YWG. Identify both air carriers, the two stops made by the first flight, the connection airport, the stop made by the second flight and the different aircraft types. Western operated the first flight....but not with a 707-320 or 727-200. One of the stops made by the first flight was SLC....but this flight did not stop in LAS or DEN. The connection was made at YYC. The second flight was operated with a 737-200 and made at stop at YQR....but it was not operated by CP Air.

11. From Casper, Wyoming you need to travel to Birmingham, Alabama. And you need to arrive into BHM in time to prepare for an early business dinner. You'll be traveling with two airlines with the same aircraft type being on operated on each flight. Your first flight will be nonstop and your second flight will make two stops en route. Name both air carriers, the connection airport, the two stops made by the second flight and the aircraft type.

12. According to the OAG, this small, obscure airline was operating nonstop service between Miami (MIA) and Key West (EYW) at this time with three different equipment types including the Douglas DC-3, the Convair 440 and the Boeing 737. And none of these flights were indicated in the OAG as code sharing services. They were all operated by the same specific air carrier on an independent basis. Name this airline. It wasn't Provincetown-Boston (PBA)

The next three quiz questions all have a time line of 1985.....

14. Now you are in Geneva and are planning to depart to Albuquerque. Uh oh.....the Swissair 747-300 nonstop from GVA to JFK is completely sold out! And you've also discovered there is no nonstop service offered from any New York City area airport to ABQ. So you are going to have to be creative with your itinerary. Ah, here's a solution! You will have to make two connections. Your journey will involve two air carriers with the first airline operating two nonstop flights and the second airline operating a direct one stop flight. Different aircraft types will be operated on each flight. Identify the air carrier operating the first two flights as well as the first connection airport along with the second connection airport and the second airline with your answer including the stop made by this flight. And, of course, name all three aircraft types. The first two flights were operated by KLM Royal Dutch. The equipment operated on the first flight wasn't a DC-9-30 or any aircraft type manufactured by Boeing. The first connection was made at AMS and the second flight was operated with a 747-200. The second connection was not made at BOS, IAD, JFK, LAX or ORD. The third flight was not operated by American, Continental, TWA, United or Western and this flight did not stop at DEN, DFW, ORD, SLC or STL.

15. What airline was operating Pan Am Express service on a code sharing basis on behalf of Pan Am with Convair 580 turboprop equipment in the U.S. at this time? It wasn't Air New England, Empire or Pacific Express. Hints: the air carrier in question was quite a bit larger than Air New England. The connection airport for this Pan Am Express Convair 580 service was not located on the east coast but elsewhere in the U.S.

16. A very good friend has invited you up for a visit up to the wilds of Alaska. Your current location is London. But no, you're not in London, England. You are actually in London, Ontario. You need to travel from Canada to Alaska on a Monday and the closest airport to your friend's cabin is located in Fairbanks. And you've found a great routing from YXU to FAI involving two airlines each operating a different aircraft type. Your first flight will be nonstop and your second flight will make two stops en route. Identify both air carriers, the connection airport, the two stops made by the second flight and the different equipment operated on each service.

19. By 1986, Virgin Atlantic Airways had doubled the size of their 747 fleet. And that meant the airline was now operating two 747 aircraft instead of just one. What were the names for these airplanes given by the airline? And for extra special bonus points, identify the specific 747 model Virgin Atlantic was operating at this time.

21. It's 1988. You've successfully concluded the deal for a sailboat in Green Bay, Wisconsin and are now in the process of delivering the vessel to her new owner who is located in Duluth, Minnesota. Your old sailing buddy from Santa Barbara and his crew are on board assisting you with the delivery. The weather has been great, sailing conditions on Lake Michigan and Lake Huron have been optimal and all is well. However, while transiting the Soo Locks on the international border waterway between Sault St. Marie, Ontario and Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan, you receive an urgent message requesting your presence for a crucial business meeting in Seattle as soon as possible. So how to get to SEA? Well, you know there are two commercially served airports in the area with each being located on either side of the border in this part of the world.....and you quickly ascertain that your journey will require two nonstop flights operated by different airlines with each operating a different aircraft type built by different manufacturers. Plus, depending on the day of the week, the second flight is actually operated with two different aircraft types built by the same manufacturer. So identify the specific airport you will depart from on your first flight, both air carriers, the connection airport and the different equipment types operated on each flight. And also be sure to include the two different aircraft types operated on the second flight with your answer.
And as we get closer to the big Mardi Gras weekend down here in south Louisiana, we are still looking for answers for the above....

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22. It's the winter of 1978 and you've been enjoying a skiing vacation with good friends in the Lake Tahoe area. However, as it usually does when one is having a good time, business intrudes. And that means traveling to Fort Lauderdale to take a look at a superb catamaran that has just been offered for sale. So off you go to the Lake Tahoe Airport. You'll be flying with two airlines on your journey from TVL to FLL. The first flight will be nonstop and the second flight will make two intermediate stops en route. Different aircraft types built by different manufacturers will be operated on each service. Identify both air carriers, the airport where you'll make your connection, the two stops made by the second flight and the different equipment.
ANSWERED - Please see post # 28990

33. It's 1991 and you're in the Bahamas about to depart to Detroit from Nassau. Two airlines will be involved concerning your pair of nonstop flights with these services being operated with different equipment types built by different manufacturers. And one of these flights will be on board a wide body aircraft. You will have almost four hours to make your connection; however, this will enable you to have a late lunch with an old friend who works at the airport in question. Identify both air carriers, the connection airport and the different aircraft types. The first flight was operated with a 727-200....but not by American, Continental, Delta, Northwest, Laker or Kiwi International. The connection was made at CLE. The second flight was operated by Pan Am with an A310. So all we are looking for here is the air carrier that operated the first flight....and that airline was based in the U.S. but is no longer around.

37. You are on your way on a Saturday morning in 1996 to Seattle from Halifax . You need to arrive into SEA in time for your cousin's wedding and reception in the late afternoon and have found a way to travel from Nova Scotia to Washington state via three different airlines each operating a different aircraft type with each being built by a different manufacturer. Your first flight from YHZ will be nonstop, your second flight will make one stop en route and your third flight will be nonstop. Name all three air carriers, the two connection airports, the stop made by the second flight and the three different airplanes you'll be traveling on board.
ANSWERED - Please see post # 28988

42. Now it's 2001 and you are on your way from Vancouver, BC to Milwaukee. You'll be flying with two different airlines with both flights being nonstop services operated with the same equipment type. Identify both air carriers, the connecting airport and the aircraft type. The first flight was not operated by Northwest and the second flight was not operated by Midwest Express. The DC-9-10 was not operated on either flight and the connection was not made at MSP. Hint: the equipment was a small narrow body jet.
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22. It's the winter of 1978 and you've been enjoying a skiing vacation with good friends in the Lake Tahoe area. However, as it usually does when one is having a good time, business intrudes. And that means traveling to Fort Lauderdale to take a look at a superb catamaran that has just been offered for sale. So off you go to the Lake Tahoe Airport. You'll be flying with two airlines on your journey from TVL to FLL. The first flight will be nonstop and the second flight will make two intermediate stops en route. Different aircraft types built by different manufacturers will be operated on each service. Identify both air carriers, the airport where you'll make your connection, the two stops made by the second flight and the different equipment. The first flight was operated by Air California with an L-188 Electra nonstop to OAK where the connection was made. The second flight was operated by Braniff International with a standard DC-8. The first stop made by the second flight was DEN. The second stop made by the second flight wasn't BWI, CLE, DFW or MCI. So all we need here is the second stop made by the second flight.

33. It's 1991 and you're in the Bahamas about to depart to Detroit from Nassau. Two airlines will be involved concerning your pair of nonstop flights with these services being operated with different equipment types built by different manufacturers. And one of these flights will be on board a wide body aircraft. You will have almost four hours to make your connection; however, this will enable you to have a late lunch with an old friend who works at the airport in question. Identify both air carriers, the connection airport and the different aircraft types. The first flight was operated with a 727-200....but not by American, Continental, Delta or Northwest. The connection was made at CLE. The second flight was operated by Pan Am with an A310. So all we are looking for here is the air carrier that operated the first flight.
#22 TPA for the missing stop.
#33 How about Laker as the 727-200 operator on NAS-CLE?
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6. In 1974, this airline was operating a "midnight flyer" service from Los Angeles to Sacramento which made one stop en route. The one way fare from LAX to SMF was $17.90. Name this air carrier, the stop and the aircraft type.

Ah'mon take a wild guess at this one and go with Western running a 737-200 via OAK

Meanwhile, I've just booked myself my first ever flights aboard Sri Lankan Airlines in Business Class CGK-CMB-KWI. Moving inexorably toward my 300th airline flown... for what that's worth (NOTHING!)

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#22 TPA for the missing stop.

#33 How about Laker as the 727-200 operator on NAS-CLE?
22. Close....but no cigar! And the stop we are looking for is indeed located in Florida.

33. Great guess! However, it wasn't Laker.....and the air carrier in question was based in the U.S. but is no longer around.
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6. In 1974, this airline was operating a "midnight flyer" service from Los Angeles to Sacramento which made one stop en route. The one way fare from LAX to SMF was $17.90. Name this air carrier, the stop and the aircraft type.

Ah'mon take a wild guess at this one and go with Western running a 737-200 via OAK

Meanwhile, I've just booked myself my first ever flights aboard Sri Lankan Airlines in Business Class CGK-CMB-KWI. Moving inexorably toward my 300th airline flown... for what that's worth (NOTHING!)


6. Well, sir, it wasn't Western, the stop was not made in Oakland and the equipment wasn't a 737-200. And in fact, the aircraft we are looking for is quite a bit larger.

Please guess again!

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