Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
Oct 5, 2022, 9:22 am
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Bonus questions: A) Was Air France permitted to carry traffic between SJU and MIA? B) The 737-200 aircraft operated on this Air France service was leased from another airline. What airline?
Continental is correct operating from MIA to TUS and stops were made at IAH, AUS and ELP. However, this flight did not stop at SAT and CO never operated the non-turbofan powered Boeing 720.
34. It wasn't Republic, the first stop wasn't made at LAS, the connection was not made at SLC and the equipment wasn't a DC-9-10.
Oct 5, 2022, 10:30 am
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31- Midland/Odessa (MAF) between AUS and ELP, and a 720B
34- PSA, MD-80s connecting at Los Angeles/LAX, first stop San Diego/SAN
34- PSA, MD-80s connecting at Los Angeles/LAX, first stop San Diego/SAN
Oct 5, 2022, 10:41 am
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34. It wasn't PSA, the first stop wasn't SAN, the flights did not connect at LAX and the MD-80 was not operated on these flights.
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Oct 5, 2022, 11:01 am
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34. Now it's 1985 and you are in Reno. You're off to Seattle for dinner with old friends and have found an interesting way to get there. You'll need to make a connection but will be flying with the same airline with the same aircraft type being operated on both flights. Your first flight will make one stop en route and your second flight will be nonstop with a quick one hour connection between both flights. Identify the air carrier, the stop made by the first flight, the connecting airport and the aircraft. It wasn't AirCal, United, Republic or PSA, the stop made by the first flight wasn't SJC, SMF, LAS or SAN, the connection was not made at PDX, SFO, SLC or LAX, and the equipment operated on both flights wasn't a 737-200, 727-100, DC-9-10 or MD-80.
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However, the air carrier in question wasn't Horizon Air nor was the equipment the Fairchild F-27. And the aircraft type we are looking for was actually a jet.
We now await the tap-in....
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34. Well, I was waiting for someone to mention Horizon Air! And your routing and connection airport are correct!
However, the air carrier in question wasn't Horizon Air nor was the equipment the Fairchild F-27. And the aircraft type we are looking for was actually a jet.
We now await the tap-in....
However, the air carrier in question wasn't Horizon Air nor was the equipment the Fairchild F-27. And the aircraft type we are looking for was actually a jet.
We now await the tap-in....
Oct 5, 2022, 12:27 pm
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At one point we wondered if the one flight number would at least guarantee your connection (i.e., they'd hold the connection for a late arrival). It didn't take long to experience firsthand that, in fact, they do not.
Oct 5, 2022, 1:26 pm
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I always thought that too. I remember in particular Northwest had a lot of these in their last years; my dad used to take one when traveling to China in the early 2000s. It was one flight number for MEM-SEA-NRT-PVG, but MEM-SEA was at first a 757 (later an A320), and while the other two segments were 747s, they weren't the same one - so it was effectively 2 connections despite no change of flight number.
At one point we wondered if the one flight number would at least guarantee your connection (i.e., they'd hold the connection for a late arrival). It didn't take long to experience firsthand that, in fact, they do not.
At one point we wondered if the one flight number would at least guarantee your connection (i.e., they'd hold the connection for a late arrival). It didn't take long to experience firsthand that, in fact, they do not.
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A similar aspect, I think also unique to the USA, of flight numbering is joining aircraft segments into and then out of a hub into one flight number as a "through" flight. It's something that regularly comes up in examples here. If it reflected commercial demand it would be understandable, but one has long found flights say (inventing here) Pittsburgh-Chicago-Oklahoma City. No through flight coming the other way, and by the next year it's separate flights Pittsburgh-Chicago-Memphis, and Toronto-Chicago-Oklahoma. It just seems that the technical operation in and out is joined up. Apparently having to transfer aircraft at the hub because of a decision of aircraft scheduling to do things differently is not unknown, and I presume the feature described above of late arrivals finding the continuing flight for the next sector had already left probably happens as well.
It's almost as if there was some tax on the quantity of flight numbers used !
It's almost as if there was some tax on the quantity of flight numbers used !
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third and last guesses of the day:
31- CO 727-224
34- not sure it's exactly a "tap-in" ... given the routing, the airlines and equipment that have been ruled out, and the fact that it's indeed a jet, I'll offer Cascade with a BAC 1-11
31- CO 727-224
34- not sure it's exactly a "tap-in" ... given the routing, the airlines and equipment that have been ruled out, and the fact that it's indeed a jet, I'll offer Cascade with a BAC 1-11
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American, and possibly others, use the same flight number for many round trips and this was thought to be that they were running out of flight numbers. Presumably five digit numbers would break things.
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34. Now it's 1985 and you are in Reno. You're off to Seattle for dinner with old friends and have found an interesting way to get there. You'll need to make a connection but will be flying with the same airline with the same aircraft type being operated on both flights. Your first flight will make one stop en route and your second flight will be nonstop with a quick one hour connection between both flights. Identify the air carrier, the stop made by the first flight, the connecting airport and the aircraft.
** Edit - Oh look, after all these days of this one being out there, just while distracted by Little Miss WHBM's bathtime ducks (seriously - one has a leak), jrl has just pipped me at the post with the same answer ...
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Oct 5, 2022, 3:55 pm
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CZ 022: Reno (RNO) 2:00p - 4:00p Boise (BOI) 4:30p - 4:25p Spokane (GEG)
Freq: Daily except Tuesdays & Wednesdays
Service class: Y
Meal service: None
Equip: BAC One-Eleven
Connecting to....
CZ 194: Spokane (GEG) 5:25p - 6:15p Seattle (SEA)
Freq: Daily except Saturdays
Service class: Y
Meal service: None
Equip: BAC One-Eleven
Cascade was reportedly planning to begin serving SFO with the BAC One-Eleven. However, financial difficulties finally caught up with the airline and after 17 years of scheduled passenger operations, Cascade went out of business in 1986. And I do not believe they ever served any destination in California.
Here's a link to a photo of a Cascade BAC One-Eleven at SEA....
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Casc...even/2508274/L
Note this particular airplane is identified in the photo caption as a series 401AK aircraft. If true, I would then think it was initially delivered new to American.
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Here's a link to a photo of a Cascade BAC One-Eleven at SEA....
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Casc...even/2508274/L
Note this particular airplane is identified in the photo caption as a series 401AK aircraft. If true, I would then think it was initially delivered new to American.
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Casc...even/2508274/L
Note this particular airplane is identified in the photo caption as a series 401AK aircraft. If true, I would then think it was initially delivered new to American.
I see Horizon, who operated in much the same territory, got mentioned about a possible answer here, and although they never actually operated the One-Eleven, they leased one of these aircraft from Cascade for a short while the year after this question, just as they were starting to build up their Fokker F.28 fleet, possibly when delivery of the latter had been delayed.