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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.

Old Jun 12, 22, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by JoeDTW View Post
41. (1987) With its acquisition of Republic Airlines, Northwest has an even larger presence in the Southeast. Its new hub in Memphis, Tennessee was never a hotbed of activity for widebody aircraft but Northwest has introduced MEM’s first 747 service along with DC-10 nonstops from four different U.S airports. With this question, we’re looking to identify those four airports. Are you up for it?
MSP and DTW identified thus far


For the other two NW DC 10 cities, I'll guess BOS, which was NW's primary transatlantic gateway, and LAX.

A quality guess, Joe, but nope - it wasn't either of those. Here's a hint though - think winter scheduling...
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Old Jun 12, 22, 1:33 pm
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39. (1973) Never one to take a simple online connection, you’ve found a great way to fly from Dallas to Vancouver, BC. It involves three nonstop flights on three different airlines with each flight operated by the same model of four engine jetliner. Can you provide all of the usual details?

Well, Monty, three times pays for all with regard to my wild guesses..... So let's depart on Delta from Dallas to Los Angeles. We'll then connect to TWA from Los Angeles to San Francisco. And our third flight from San Francisco to Vancouver will be operated by Qantas via fifth freedom route authority (I recall that SFO - YVR was a tag route for QF at one point). And the equipment? Let's go with that grand old queen of the skies: the mighty Boeing 747.

Everything about your above supposition is correct with the exception of Delta and the 747. Should be tap-in time now...

Speaking of CP Air and its predecessor Canadian Pacific, I just completed a bit of research after the fact. It appears Canadian Pacific had begun serving San Francisco by early 1967 with nonstop DC8 service to Vancouver....

https://www.timetableimages.com/ttim...u/cp67eu-6.jpg

Thanks for the sleuthing work, Detective Lemon!
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Old Jun 12, 22, 1:39 pm
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3. (From JoeDTW) Ozark 978 leaves DEN at 10:05 AM, and makes three stops before arriving at ORD at 2:45 PM. The 1st stop is Waterloo, Iowa; what are the other two stops?

36. (1986) You’ve just returned to Los Angeles and are looking forward to a few days of R&R back home when you get a call from your department head. Welcome back! Terribly sorry about this Mate, but it seems your technical skills are required to solve a wee problem in Pretoria, South Africa. The Travel Department has found you a great itinerary though - a couple of nonstop flights aboard two different widebodied jets with just a single connection, both on the same airline. Even better, you’ve been booked in Business Class on both flights. Identify the airline, route and both aircraft types involved.

37. (1992) Tahiti can be flown to from Stockholm via just two nonstop flights and a single connection? No way! Way, Dude… Two airlines are involved, each of them operating a different aircraft type. Your job now is to identify the two airlines, the connection airport and the aircraft types.
A N S W E R E D

38. (1987) Your Tennessee Vols are playing Alabama’s Crimson Tide in a major SEC showdown next weekend. A good buddy of yours has called to say he’s managed to procure a couple of tickets on the 40 yard line. Can you make it? Oh, you betcha! Better yet, if you fly down to Birmingham, he’ll pick you up and drive you back up to Knoxville after the game. As for the flight, this really must be your lucky day. There’s a daily nonstop from Knoxville straight down to Birmingham. Book it Danno! Name the airline and the aircraft please.
It's not UA or a BAe-146

39. (1973) Never one to take a simple online connection, you’ve found a great way to fly from Dallas to Vancouver, BC. It involves three nonstop flights on three different airlines with each flight operated by the same model of four engine jetliner. Can you provide all of the usual details?
A N S W E R E D

40. (1986) Following a productive three days in Abu Dhabi, it’s time to move on to your next assignment in Nairobi, Kenya. There is a once weekly nonstop ABU-NBO flight, but alas, not on the day you need. Thankfully, another airline offers a convenient online connection departing early tomorrow morning and arriving NBO in the early afternoon. The first flight to the connection point makes a single enroute stop, followed by a nonstop into Nairobi. It is the only airline offering an online connection where both flights are aboard vintage four engine jetliners of the same type. As an added bonus, First Class is available on both flights. Airline, routing and equipment please
It's not Saudia, Sudan Airways or Ethiopian, but it is a 707. The intermediate stop is in the country of the national airline involved

41. (1987) With its acquisition of Republic Airlines, Northwest has an even larger presence in the Southeast. Its new hub in Memphis, Tennessee was never a hotbed of activity for widebody aircraft but Northwest has introduced MEM’s first 747 service along with DC-10 nonstops from four different U.S airports. With this question, we’re looking to identify those four airports. Are you up for it?
MSP, DTW and MIA have been correctly identified. The other two airports do not include BOS, LAX, MKE, PHX or TPA

42. (1973) Based upon schedules published in the January 1st, 1973 North American OAG, Miami is served by twelve 747 flights most days. Seven of those flights are offered by one airline, flying into Miami from four different cities. Name the airline and the four airports.
A N S W E R E D

Bonus Question 42B
: A total of twelve 747 flights into Miami were offered per the 1973 North American OAG employed to reference this question. Aside from Delta's seven flights, can you identify the airlines and origin airports of the other five flights?
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43. (1986) Nairobi is a huge city but unfortunately there is a real dearth of good German restaurants in the CBD. Thankfully your next project has you working in Frankfurt, so you can practically taste that delicious German spaetzle accompanying your freshly grilled brat as you ponder your upcoming travel options. There are many, available on many airlines, but the most affordable one appears to be with an airline that operates all Y configured equipment and offers a single online connection featuring two nonstop flights - one aboard a jet and one aboard a turboprop. It is the only airline offering service between NBO and FRA that meets these parameters. Identify the airline, the routing and the two aircraft types.
A N S W E R E D

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39. (1973) Never one to take a simple online connection, you’ve found a great way to fly from Dallas to Vancouver, BC. It involves three nonstop flights on three different airlines with each flight operated by the same model of four engine jetliner. Can you provide all of the usual details?
39. Good Lord, this has been a very interesting quiz question! So here's one last hopefully not so wild guess...

American operating from Dallas to Los Angeles, TWA operating from Los Angeles to San Francisco, and Qantas operating from San Francisco to Vancouver with all flights featuring the venerable Boeing 707.
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Old Jun 12, 22, 8:09 pm
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39. (1973) Never one to take a simple online connection, you’ve found a great way to fly from Dallas to Vancouver, BC. It involves three nonstop flights on three different airlines with each flight operated by the same model of four engine jetliner. Can you provide all of the usual details?

Good Lord, this has been a very interesting quiz question! So here's one last hopefully not so wild guess... American operating from Dallas to Los Angeles, TWA operating from Los Angeles to San Francisco, and Qantas operating from San Francisco to Vancouver with all flights featuring the venerable Boeing 707.

Yes! Success at last! Here's the itinerary -

American AA 603 Dallas (DAL) 215p-315p L Los Angeles (LAX) 707 Daily
Trans World TW 744 Los Angeles (LAX) 425p-530p San Francisco (SFO) 707 Daily
Qantas QF 530 San Francisco (SFO) 715p-925p D Vancouver (YVR) 707 Su
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Old Jun 12, 22, 9:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
40. (1986) Following a productive three days in Abu Dhabi, it’s time to move on to your next assignment in Nairobi, Kenya. There is a once weekly nonstop ABU-NBO flight, but alas, not on the day you need. Thankfully, another airline offers a convenient online connection departing early tomorrow morning and arriving NBO in the early afternoon. The first flight to the connection point makes a single enroute stop, followed by a nonstop into Nairobi. It is the only airline offering an online connection where both flights are aboard vintage four engine jetliners of the same type. As an added bonus, First Class is available on both flights. Airline, routing and equipment please
It's not Saudia or Sudan Airways, but it is a 707. The intermediate stop is in the country of the national airline involved.
40- the only other country on a reasonably direct route between AUH and NBO with two sizeable enough cities for international jet service appears to be Ethiopia … geography says the enroute stop was Asmara and the connection was at Addis Ababa

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37. (1992) Tahiti can be flown to from Stockholm via just two nonstop flights and a single connection? No way! Way, Dude… Two airlines are involved, each of them operating a different aircraft type. Your job now is to identify the two airlines, the connection airport and the aircraft types.
37- this is probably way off base for the airlines and equipment, but the routing seems very reasonable; I’ll offer that we’re looking at SAS to Los Angeles/LAX on a 767-300, thence Air France with a 747 to PPT
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Old Jun 12, 22, 10:47 pm
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40. (1986) Following a productive three days in Abu Dhabi, it’s time to move on to your next assignment in Nairobi, Kenya. There is a once weekly nonstop ABU-NBO flight, but alas, not on the day you need. Thankfully, another airline offers a convenient online connection departing early tomorrow morning and arriving NBO in the early afternoon. The first flight to the connection point makes a single enroute stop, followed by a nonstop into Nairobi. It is the only airline offering an online connection where both flights are aboard vintage four engine jetliners of the same type. As an added bonus, First Class is available on both flights. Airline, routing and equipment please
It's not Saudia or Sudan Airways, but it is a 707. The intermediate stop is in the country of the national airline involved.

The only other country on a reasonably direct route between AUH and NBO with two sizeable enough cities for international jet service appears to be Ethiopia … geography says the enroute stop was Asmara and the connection was at Addis Ababa

Ethiopian makes sense - but alas ET didn't run a 707 all the way through (72S to ADD)

Please, guess again!

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OK, what about "Luxair", alias Trek Airways of South Africa masquerading under the European carriers' name, with a leased SAA 747SP in Luxair colours, operating Johannesburg-Nairobi-Luxembourg, connecting there to a Luxair F.27 operating on to Frankfurt. I think the 747SP was an all-economy low fare operation.

Luxair it is! However, per both the OAG and Luxair's own page and schedules in the advertising supplement of the OAG in question, the equipment operated between NBO and LUX was not a 747SP.
I actually can't think of another aircraft the Luxair/Trek operation might be running at the time.

Interesting that Luxair had an ad page in the OAG. They also had a long-running (1960s-80s) monthly page in the Airline Feature Section (same thing) in the equivalent ABC, just a single railroad-style timetable display, their complete flight set fitted in one block each way. I wonder if they used the same printing blocks.

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41. TPA and MIA.

42B: NA to JFK and LAX, UA to PIT and CLE, and NW to ORD.
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38. (1987) Your Tennessee Vols are playing Alabama’s Crimson Tide in a major SEC showdown next weekend. A good buddy of yours has called to say he’s managed to procure a couple of tickets on the 40 yard line. Can you make it? Oh, you betcha! Better yet, if you fly down to Birmingham, he’ll pick you up and drive you back up to Knoxville after the game. As for the flight, this really must be your lucky day. There’s a daily nonstop from Knoxville straight down to Birmingham. Book it Danno! Name the airline and the aircraft please.
38. Let's go with an United Express BAe 146-200 operated by Presidential Airways with this flight originating at Washington Dulles.
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We're still waiting on an answer for question 3 of my mini:quiz.

Ozark 978 leaves DEN at 10:05 AM, and makes three stops before arriving at ORD at 2:45 PM. The 1st stop is Waterloo, Iowa; what are the other two stops?
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Old Jun 13, 22, 3:29 pm
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37. (1992) Tahiti can be flown to from Stockholm via just two nonstop flights and a single connection? No way! Way, Dude… Two airlines are involved, each of them operating a different aircraft type. Your job now is to identify the two airlines, the connection airport and the aircraft types.

This is probably way off base for the airlines and equipment, but the routing seems very reasonable; I’ll offer that we’re looking at SAS to Los Angeles/LAX on a 767-300, thence Air France with a 747 to PPT

Although you're off on the routing, you're spot on as to the airlines and the equipment, i.e. an SAS 763 on the first leg connecting to an Air France 747.

Please, carry on...

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Old Jun 13, 22, 3:48 pm
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OK, what about "Luxair", alias Trek Airways of South Africa masquerading under the European carriers' name, with a leased SAA 747SP in Luxair colours, operating Johannesburg-Nairobi-Luxembourg, connecting there to a Luxair F.27 operating on to Frankfurt. I think the 747SP was an all-economy low fare operation.

Luxair it is! However, per both the OAG and Luxair's own page and schedules in the advertising supplement of the OAG in question, the equipment operated between NBO and LUX was not a 747SP.

I actually can't think of another aircraft the Luxair/Trek operation might be running at the time.

Interesting that Luxair had an ad page in the OAG. They also had a long-running (1960s-80s) monthly page in the Airline Feature Section (same thing) in the equivalent ABC, just a single railroad-style timetable display, their complete flight set fitted in one block each way. I wonder if they used the same printing blocks.


If you can't think of another aircraft the Luxair/Trek operation might be running at the time, there's a good possibility the schedule is in error.

On both the Luxair page in the advertising section as well as the NBO-LUX schedules in the main flight schedule section, the Luxair flight shows up as an A300.

Luxair LX 182 Nairobi (NBO) 1130p-730p Luxembourg (LUX) A300B Th Sa
Luxair LX 305 Luxembourg (LUX) 1030a-1140a Frankfurt (FRA) F27 Daily

Unless the A300 was a -600 variant, it wouldn't have had the range to fly the 3960 mile route between NBO and LUX. A fleet check shows LX operated just one A300, LX-LGP, an A300B4-203. A check of the aircraft range for the the B4-200 variant (on the A300 Wikipedia page) shows the range of the B4-200 variant to be just 2900 nm.

So, good call Mr. M . It would appear the schedule is in error and the aircraft was likely a 747SP.
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41. (1987) With its acquisition of Republic Airlines, Northwest has an even larger presence in the Southeast. Its new hub in Memphis, Tennessee was never a hotbed of activity for widebody aircraft but Northwest has introduced MEM’s first 747 service along with DC-10 nonstops from four different U.S airports. With this question, we’re looking to identify those four airports. Are you up for it?
MSP and DTW have been correctly identified. The other two airports do not include BOS, LAX, MKE or PHX

TPA and MIA

Miami yes, Tampa no. Three down, one to go!

Bonus Question 42B: A total of twelve 747 flights into Miami were offered per the 1973 North American OAG employed to reference this question. Aside from Delta's seven flights, can you identify the airlines and origin airports of the other five flights?
(Hint:Less than 5 airlines and airports are involved)

NA to JFK and LAX, UA to PIT and CLE, and NW to ORD.

National is correct! NA operated two daily flights to JFK and one to LAX
Northwest is correct! NW operated a single daily flight to ORD

United is incorrect. UA operated no 747s into MIA in early 1973

So, four flights down and again, just one airline and destination to go!
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38. (1987) Your Tennessee Vols are playing Alabama’s Crimson Tide in a major SEC showdown next weekend. A good buddy of yours has called to say he’s managed to procure a couple of tickets on the 40 yard line. Can you make it? Oh, you betcha! Better yet, if you fly down to Birmingham, he’ll pick you up and drive you back up to Knoxville after the game. As for the flight, this really must be your lucky day. There’s a daily nonstop from Knoxville straight down to Birmingham. Book it Danno! Name the airline and the aircraft please.

Let's go with an United Express BAe 146-200 operated by Presidential Airways with this flight originating at Washington Dulles.

An excellent guess, but NO! It was neither United Express/Presidential Airways nor the BAe 146-200.

Please, guess again!
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