Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
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The inspiration for these questions came when I was reading an article in a back issue of Classic Trains by the late David Ingles about a trip in the mid 1970s to Minnesota, the Dakotas, and Iowa. He said at the end of the trip, he flew home from SUX on an Ozark DC-9, and he thought a friend flew from SUX to DEN on a WA 737.
Ah... there's a fine old memory... Ingles, Edmonson, Philips and of course the incomparable David P. Morgan contributed many enjoyable reads to the pages of the original Airliners International (1973/74). DPM in particular mentioned the garish green tablecloths and yellow napkins whilst enjoying a rare flight in First Class aboard Ozark from... IIRC STL-DFW.
Ah... there's a fine old memory... Ingles, Edmonson, Philips and of course the incomparable David P. Morgan contributed many enjoyable reads to the pages of the original Airliners International (1973/74). DPM in particular mentioned the garish green tablecloths and yellow napkins whilst enjoying a rare flight in First Class aboard Ozark from... IIRC STL-DFW.
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32. (1986) You’re relaxing at a golf resort outside Bangkok when you get a call from the home office. You need to get over to Lagos, Nigeria ASAP. Lagos? Lagos?! How many connections and airlines is that gonna take?! Thankfully, a local travel agent has found you a most convenient itinerary, all on one airline and involving just a single convenient connection. Thankfully you won’t have to make your connection all the way up and over in Europe. However, both your first flight to the connection point and your second flight to Lagos will involve an enroute stop. Identify the airline, the complete routing including connection point and enroute stops along with the two aircraft types involved.
Must have been a 747-200 on the first flight, and the A310 most likely put down at Nairobi/NBO en route to LOS
That's the one we're looking for. Here's the itinerary...
Air India AI 307 Bangkok (BKK) 1055p-1155p Calcutta (CCU) 125a-355a Bombay (BOM) 747-200 Tu
Air India AI 205 Bombay (BOM) 530a-925a Nairobi (NBO) 1025a-130p Lagos (LOS) A310-300 We
Must have been a 747-200 on the first flight, and the A310 most likely put down at Nairobi/NBO en route to LOS
That's the one we're looking for. Here's the itinerary...
Air India AI 307 Bangkok (BKK) 1055p-1155p Calcutta (CCU) 125a-355a Bombay (BOM) 747-200 Tu
Air India AI 205 Bombay (BOM) 530a-925a Nairobi (NBO) 1025a-130p Lagos (LOS) A310-300 We
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11. (1993) From one side of the country to the other - You’re traveling from Vancouver, BC to Halifax, NS. Your first flight will be nonstop, after which you’ll connect to a one-stopper to Halifax. Two small twinjets of different manufacture will be employed and you’ll be fed breakfast, lunch and dinner along the way. Please identify the two airlines, the two enroute stops and the two equipment types.
AC D9S YVR-YEG We need the mystery airline YEG-YWG-YYZ-YHZ 737-200
34. (1987) You love flying First Class and you love being served a nice meal inflight. As such, you couldn’t be happier to be booked upon a four stop flight between Washington DC and Las Vegas upon which you’ll be served two lunches and a dinner enroute. Identify the airline, the four enroute stops and the aircraft type.N
A N S W E R E D
AC D9S YVR-YEG We need the mystery airline YEG-YWG-YYZ-YHZ 737-200
34. (1987) You love flying First Class and you love being served a nice meal inflight. As such, you couldn’t be happier to be booked upon a four stop flight between Washington DC and Las Vegas upon which you’ll be served two lunches and a dinner enroute. Identify the airline, the four enroute stops and the aircraft type.N
A N S W E R E D
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We're also still waiting on answers for the last three questions of my mini-quiz.
There seems to be a lull here right now, so here's a four question "mini quiz" based on Ozark's December 15, 1976 timetable.
1. Ozark had six flights a day from DEN, with nonstops to two cities. Name the city that had 4x day nonstops from DEN, and the city with 2x day nonstops.
Answered: 4x day to SUX and 2x day to ALO.
2. At 9:35 AM, a flight departs DEN for LGA, and makes four intermediate stops. The first stop is the city served 4x day. Name the stops.
3. At 10:05 AM, a flight departs DEN for ORD, and makes three intermediate stops. The first stop is the city served 2x day. Name the stops.
4. By 1976, Ozark was phasing out their FH 227s as quickly as possible. Most of their flights from MSP had been upgraded to DC-9s. However, OZ still had two FH-227 flights from MSP. Both flights made the same three enroute stops, to the same final destination. Name the three stops and the final destination. Hint: STL was neither the final destination nor an enroute stop.
1. Ozark had six flights a day from DEN, with nonstops to two cities. Name the city that had 4x day nonstops from DEN, and the city with 2x day nonstops.
Answered: 4x day to SUX and 2x day to ALO.
2. At 9:35 AM, a flight departs DEN for LGA, and makes four intermediate stops. The first stop is the city served 4x day. Name the stops.
3. At 10:05 AM, a flight departs DEN for ORD, and makes three intermediate stops. The first stop is the city served 2x day. Name the stops.
4. By 1976, Ozark was phasing out their FH 227s as quickly as possible. Most of their flights from MSP had been upgraded to DC-9s. However, OZ still had two FH-227 flights from MSP. Both flights made the same three enroute stops, to the same final destination. Name the three stops and the final destination. Hint: STL was neither the final destination nor an enroute stop.
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32. (1986) You’re relaxing at a golf resort outside Bangkok when you get a call from the home office. You need to get over to Lagos, Nigeria ASAP. Lagos? Lagos?! How many connections and airlines is that gonna take?!
Because of BOAC's licences from Hong Kong, where they long kept Cathay Pacific to more local routes, they developed the route from there direct to Johannesburg, routing through Singapore and Mauritius, which lasted well into 747 days, possibly until 1990, when Cathay took it over. Pilots were crewed from London, and operated the grand triangle via stopovers along the way London-Hong Kong-Johannesburg-London, the round trip taking about three weeks.
I believe BA's No 1 intercontinental-to-intercontinental traffic through London is still USA/Canada to India, and USA/Canada to Africa comes second.
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34. (1987) You love flying First Class and you love being served a nice meal inflight. As such, you couldn’t be happier to be booked upon a four stop flight between Washington DC and Las Vegas upon which you’ll be served two lunches and a dinner enroute. Identify the airline, the four enroute stops and the aircraft type.
- I started out trying to make this work with Eastern; came up with a feasible routing for a 72S or a 757 (DCA-Florida-ATL-PHX-LAS), but MIA/PBI/FLL/MCO/TPA-ATL seems too short for lunch service
- Western was still around in the first part of the year; again, there's a feasible 72S routing (DCA-MSP-SLC-LAX-LAS), but there's no way SLC-LAX would have featured dinner
- TW only had the STL hub, CO wasn't yet serving DCA, NW route system could accommodate with a D9S but would been too convoluted (DCA-DTW-MSP-MEM-PHX-LAS), ditto for UA with a 72S (DCA-ORD-XXX-DEN-SFO-LAS)
I think this falls into the "wild guess" category: American MD-80, running DCA-ORD-IAH-DFW-PHX-LAS
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And I'll guess the stops were Sioux City, Peoria, Champaign and Washington Dulles.
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Leave DEN 0935, arrive SUX 11:44 (snack)
Leave SUX 1200, arrive PIA 12:52
Leave PIA 13:10, arrive CMI 13:34
Leave CMI 13:50, arrive IAD 16:10 (snack)
Leave IAD 16:28, arrive LGA 17:20
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34. (1987) You love flying First Class and you love being served a nice meal inflight. As such, you couldn’t be happier to be booked upon a four stop flight between Washington DC and Las Vegas upon which you’ll be served two lunches and a dinner enroute. Identify the airline, the four enroute stops and the aircraft type.
Well, the MadDog means it must have been JetAmerica, which means the first two stops were MSP and SEA ... Portland and Long Beach for the others
I don't know why it couldn't have been AA, CO, DL, NW or US... but it matters not as it was indeed Jet America. Here's the itinerary:
Jet America SI 407 Washington (DCA) 1100a-1245p L Minneapolis (MSP) 115p-250p L Seattle (SEA) 330p-410p Portland (PDX) 440p-700p D Orange County (SNA) 740p-840p Las Vegas (LAS) DC-9-80 Daily
Well, the MadDog means it must have been JetAmerica, which means the first two stops were MSP and SEA ... Portland and Long Beach for the others
I don't know why it couldn't have been AA, CO, DL, NW or US... but it matters not as it was indeed Jet America. Here's the itinerary:
Jet America SI 407 Washington (DCA) 1100a-1245p L Minneapolis (MSP) 115p-250p L Seattle (SEA) 330p-410p Portland (PDX) 440p-700p D Orange County (SNA) 740p-840p Las Vegas (LAS) DC-9-80 Daily
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4. By 1976, Ozark was phasing out their FH 227s as quickly as possible. Most of their flights from MSP had been upgraded to DC-9s. However, OZ still had two FH-227 flights from MSP. Both flights made the same three enroute stops, to the same final destination. Name the three stops and the final destination. Hint: STL was neither the final destination nor an enroute stop.
BTW, I never had the opportunity to fly on board a Fairchild Hiller FH-227. However, I did get the chance to fly on board a Fairchild F-27 roundtrip between Santa Barbara and San Jose. The airline was ConnectAir, a new start up based at SBA, which quickly ran out of money and then disappeared after going tango uniform. I seem to recall they had their airplanes repossessed in the middle of the night at SBA due to non payment of the leases.
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I had in my head that I had once flown CLE-SYR in a Wright-operated F27, but now I don't think that Wright ever flew such a thing, so maybe it was a Convair-something. The return was on Empire in an F.28, which I think was my only flight in that model.
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I believe that my only F27 flight was on a Fokker-manufactured one operated by Luxair. I was 18 and it was a bit of a surprise to be offered a tumbler of Scotch at 10:00 a.m.
I had in my head that I had once flown CLE-SYR in a Wright-operated F27, but now I don't think that Wright ever flew such a thing, so maybe it was a Convair-something. The return was on Empire in an F.28, which I think was my only flight in that model.
I had in my head that I had once flown CLE-SYR in a Wright-operated F27, but now I don't think that Wright ever flew such a thing, so maybe it was a Convair-something. The return was on Empire in an F.28, which I think was my only flight in that model.
Sadly I didn't make the effort to get a ride in one, something I regret now.
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I also just finished reading a book entitled "Ceiling Unlimited" by Robert J. Serling which concerns the history of North Central Airlines from its inception as Wisconsin Central in 1948 up until 1972. In 1959, North Central President Hal Carr made a decision to upgrade and expand the NC fleet (which was solely comprised of DC-3 aircraft at the time) by purchasing used Convair 340 aircraft from Continental (with Mr. Carr personally negotiating the purchase of these airplanes with Bob Six, President of CO). North Central also seriously looked at the then-new Fairchild F-27 at the time. However, the F-27 had a price tag of around $1 million each. So Mr. Carr continued to negotiate with Mr. Six for the CO Convair 340 airplanes and a price of $325,000 apiece was agreed upon. NC then subsequently acquired Convair 440 equipment and the CV-340 and CV-440 airplanes were, of course, eventually converted to CV-580s. Mr. Carr later stated that going with the Convairs with the eventual conversion to turboprop power were among the best decisions he ever made.
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The F.27 was a rare bird for me as well. My only flights were back in 1981 aboard Air Polynesie between Papeete and Bora Bora, on to Raiatea a week later, then Moorea.
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interestingly, I logged about a dozen flights on Mohawk FH-227Bs to and from ITH in 1971/72, and another on OZ (ORD-BRL-UIN-STL) in the spring of 1976, before any of my four flights on F.27s (a round-trip LAX-EDW on a Rockwell International corporate bird in late 1976, Horizon SEA-PDX in 1982, and NW (Mesaba) DAY-DTW in 1994)