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The pianos are behind those seven ground floor windows, so they have quite a collection, and the staff are very pleasant and tolerant. After about 5 minutes of us playing inside there, notice in the link that at the front door if you zoom in there is also a white grand piano just inside. A disreputable hobo came up the steps and started hammering up and down on the keys. Assistant calls to her manager, who has heard it anyway, strides out and promptly ejects him back out into the street. Little Miss W is transfixed, never having seen any such event like this before. In relating the day's events to others in the evening, it ("there was a naughty man") was obviously the highlight of the trip !
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Ah, sounds like the runway at Dutch was even shorter back then. I think it's still only 4,500 feet in length these days.....which must have made life interesting at times for Boeing 737 combi flight crews back when DUT had jet service.
So let's move up the chain a bit and have that 727 charter service land at Cold Bay....although I haven't a clue concerning the company Alaska Airlines was operating for. Might have been another oil & gas company that was conducting offshore exploratory drilling in the area....or perhaps it was actually a mining outfit.
So let's move up the chain a bit and have that 727 charter service land at Cold Bay....although I haven't a clue concerning the company Alaska Airlines was operating for. Might have been another oil & gas company that was conducting offshore exploratory drilling in the area....or perhaps it was actually a mining outfit.
The AEC allowed any federal employees to ride on the twice-a-week charter between Seattle and Anchorage, and as I was a federal employee at the time I partook of this perk on a number of occasions. The only thing unusual about the flight was the northbound security, which was, shall we say, intense? Like you were weighed getting on and getting off, and if you weighed less on disembarkation you were actually asked if you'd used the loo during the flight. I presume they weighed the tanks? TMI in my opinion.
Bob Reeve, and his son Dick after him, made their living out of hauling the mail and service personnel out the chain, along with fishermen and cannery workers. I doubt if either of them would have been caught dead carrying commies. Every year at Christmas passengers got a little bragging sheet from RAA celebrating another year without federal subsidies being received by the airline. This was when a round trip from Anchorage to Dutch or to the Pribilofs cost over $1000. Hooray for you, we all thought. As if.
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I just noticed that Wikipedia says Reeve flew into Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk in the USSR but I have no memory whatsoever of that. Of course I could be wrong, but the idea of the Soviets allowing a US-flagged plane to land on Sakhalin Island boggles the mind.
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And if you're wondering what happened to the L-188 aircraft formerly operated by Reeve Aleutian, here's a link to a photo taken in Canada back in 2001 of one particular "Super Aleutian Electra" getting ready to be prepared for a new role.....
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Reev...ectra/272246/L
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Reev...ectra/272246/L
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just realized this one is still out there
32-a quick look at gcmap.com makes it pretty clear that there are maybe a dozen possible connecting points, and the "one stop on each flight" criterion rules out most of them pretty quickly when considering the route systems of the associated national carriers
I think there are only three realistic candidates, viz.: Air India, Kenya Airways, and Saudia; since KQ seems the least likely on the basis of geography, I'll start with AI: BKK-Calcutta/CCU-Bombay/BOM with an A310, followed by a 707 to Dar es Salaam/DAR and LOS
32. (1986) You’re relaxing at a golf resort outside Bangkok when you get a call from the home office. You need to get over to Lagos, Nigeria ASAP. Lagos? Lagos?! How many connections and airlines is that gonna take?! Thankfully, a local travel agent has found you a most convenient itinerary, all on one airline and involving just a single convenient connection. Thankfully you won’t have to make your connection all the way up and over in Europe. However, both your first flight to the connection point and your second flight to Lagos will involve an enroute stop. Identify the airline, the complete routing including connection point and enroute stops along with the two aircraft types involved.
I think there are only three realistic candidates, viz.: Air India, Kenya Airways, and Saudia; since KQ seems the least likely on the basis of geography, I'll start with AI: BKK-Calcutta/CCU-Bombay/BOM with an A310, followed by a 707 to Dar es Salaam/DAR and LOS
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Meantime, another Electra formerly operated by Reeve Aleutian eventually wound up in the UK. Here's a link to a photo of it at the Coventry Airport. I'll assume this airplane arrived there more or less airworthy and I would not be surprised to learn that it never flew again....
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Reev...ectra/938868/L
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Reev...ectra/938868/L
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Meantime, another Electra formerly operated by Reeve Aleutian eventually wound up in the UK. Here's a link to a photo of it at the Coventry Airport. I'll assume this airplane arrived there more or less airworthy and I would not be surprised to learn that it never flew again....
Somewhat complicated because there was another Electra, once with NWT Air, reg C-FIJV, which ended up operating with Air Atlantique at the same time, re-reg G-FIJV (saves on paint I suppose), finally retired shortly after the Reeve departed . Meanwhile when the Reeve aircraft was flown back over, Buffalo got it the registration ... C-FIJV. I think there are broken up hulks of both aircraft still lying around at their respective final points.
Incidentally, back 20-30 years ago, the other UK-based Electra operator was Channel Express, a freight forwarder based at Bournemouth who originally started (with Heralds) flying freight to/from Jersey in the Channel Islands, and who developed a substantial Electra fleet running air mail and night cargo runs, some contracts indeed going back and forth between the two. They progressed through QC 737s, which they did for some time run on night cargo and day passenger work, slowly the latter prevailed, and have transitioned the name to the nowadays substantial Jet2 holiday flight operation, still with the callsign Channex and flight code EXS. I guess chairman Philip Meeson, in charge throughout, can't let go of its origins !
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I logged a lot of BIS time in the RV Electras over the years, and thought you might enjoy this video covering some Electra flights in the late 1990s, including ops at SDP and DUT. Both airports needed their runways lengthened in the '80s in order to accommodate bigger planes than the RV YS-11s that had been used previously. This was very expensive because water depths at both ends of both runways were very deep, but political lobbying by many, including yours truly, eventually got the State to cough up the required funding. (I had stopped working in the region before the projects were complete.) Ironically, RV went tango uniform shortly after this video was shot.
In the part of the video shot from the cockpit at DUT you can see a Grumman Goose parked on the ramp. I was on that plane's predecessor when we ground looped on a wheels-down landing right at that same spot in the early 1980s. (The plane I was on later crashed, claiming two lives.) Yahoo, ride 'em, cowboy!
In the part of the video shot from the cockpit at DUT you can see a Grumman Goose parked on the ramp. I was on that plane's predecessor when we ground looped on a wheels-down landing right at that same spot in the early 1980s. (The plane I was on later crashed, claiming two lives.) Yahoo, ride 'em, cowboy!
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32. (1986) You’re relaxing at a golf resort outside Bangkok when you get a call from the home office. You need to get over to Lagos, Nigeria ASAP. Lagos? Lagos?! How many connections and airlines is that gonna take?! Thankfully, a local travel agent has found you a most convenient itinerary, all on one airline and involving just a single convenient connection. Thankfully you won’t have to make your connection all the way up and over in Europe. However, both your first flight to the connection point and your second flight to Lagos will involve an enroute stop. Identify the airline, the complete routing including connection point and enroute stops along with the two aircraft types involved.
Just realized this one is still out there... A quick look at gcmap.com makes it pretty clear that there are maybe a dozen possible connecting points, and the "one stop on each flight" criterion rules out most of them pretty quickly when considering the route systems of the associated national carriers
I think there are only three realistic candidates, viz.: Air India, Kenya Airways, and Saudia; since KQ seems the least likely on the basis of geography, I'll start with AI: BKK-Calcutta/CCU-Bombay/BOM with an A310, followed by a 707 to Dar es Salaam/DAR and LOS
Well you're mostly right here in that Air India BKK-CCU-BOM is indeed the first leg, but it was flown with equipment other than a 707 or A310.
The second flight did indeed employ an A310 but not via Dar es Salaam.
Should be pretty easy to close out now...
Just realized this one is still out there... A quick look at gcmap.com makes it pretty clear that there are maybe a dozen possible connecting points, and the "one stop on each flight" criterion rules out most of them pretty quickly when considering the route systems of the associated national carriers
I think there are only three realistic candidates, viz.: Air India, Kenya Airways, and Saudia; since KQ seems the least likely on the basis of geography, I'll start with AI: BKK-Calcutta/CCU-Bombay/BOM with an A310, followed by a 707 to Dar es Salaam/DAR and LOS
Well you're mostly right here in that Air India BKK-CCU-BOM is indeed the first leg, but it was flown with equipment other than a 707 or A310.
The second flight did indeed employ an A310 but not via Dar es Salaam.
Should be pretty easy to close out now...
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There seems to be a lull here right now, so here's a four question "mini quiz" based on Ozark's December 15, 1976 timetable.
1. Ozark had six flights a day from DEN, with nonstops to two cities. Name the city that had 4x day nonstops from DEN, and the city with 2x day nonstops.
Answered: 4x day to SUX and 2x day to ALO.
2. At 9:35 AM, a flight departs DEN for LGA, and makes four intermediate stops. The first stop is the city served 4x day. Name the stops.
3. At 10:05 AM, a flight departs DEN for ORD, and makes three intermediate stops. The first stop is the city served 2x day. Name the stops.
4. By 1976, Ozark was phasing out their FH 227s as quickly as possible. Most of their flights from MSP had been upgraded to DC-9s. However, OZ still had two FH-227 flights from MSP. Both flights made the same three enroute stops, to the same final destination. Name the three stops and the final destination. Hint: STL was neither the final destination nor an enroute stop.
1. Ozark had six flights a day from DEN, with nonstops to two cities. Name the city that had 4x day nonstops from DEN, and the city with 2x day nonstops.
Answered: 4x day to SUX and 2x day to ALO.
2. At 9:35 AM, a flight departs DEN for LGA, and makes four intermediate stops. The first stop is the city served 4x day. Name the stops.
3. At 10:05 AM, a flight departs DEN for ORD, and makes three intermediate stops. The first stop is the city served 2x day. Name the stops.
4. By 1976, Ozark was phasing out their FH 227s as quickly as possible. Most of their flights from MSP had been upgraded to DC-9s. However, OZ still had two FH-227 flights from MSP. Both flights made the same three enroute stops, to the same final destination. Name the three stops and the final destination. Hint: STL was neither the final destination nor an enroute stop.
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Thanks for the questions, Joe!
1. Ozark had six flights a day from DEN, with nonstops to two cities. Name the city that had 4x day nonstops from DEN, and the city with 2x day nonstops.
I remember Ozark's Denver DC-9s well whilst perusing the OAG back in the day. I'll go with Waterloo, Iowa for the four daily nonstops and... Sioux City for the two.
BTW, yesterday marked the 50th anniversary of my first flight aboard a DC-10
1. Ozark had six flights a day from DEN, with nonstops to two cities. Name the city that had 4x day nonstops from DEN, and the city with 2x day nonstops.
I remember Ozark's Denver DC-9s well whilst perusing the OAG back in the day. I'll go with Waterloo, Iowa for the four daily nonstops and... Sioux City for the two.
BTW, yesterday marked the 50th anniversary of my first flight aboard a DC-10
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Thanks for the questions, Joe!
1. Ozark had six flights a day from DEN, with nonstops to two cities. Name the city that had 4x day nonstops from DEN, and the city with 2x day nonstops.
I remember Ozark's Denver DC-9s well whilst perusing the OAG back in the day. I'll go with Waterloo, Iowa for the four daily nonstops and... Sioux City for the two.
BTW, yesterday marked the 50th anniversary of my first flight aboard a DC-10
1. Ozark had six flights a day from DEN, with nonstops to two cities. Name the city that had 4x day nonstops from DEN, and the city with 2x day nonstops.
I remember Ozark's Denver DC-9s well whilst perusing the OAG back in the day. I'll go with Waterloo, Iowa for the four daily nonstops and... Sioux City for the two.
BTW, yesterday marked the 50th anniversary of my first flight aboard a DC-10
The inspiration for these questions came when I was reading an article in a back issue of Classic Trains by the late David Ingles about a trip in the mid 1970s to Minnesota, the Dakotas, and Iowa. He said at the end of the trip, he flew home from SUX on an Ozark DC-9, and he thought a friend flew from SUX to DEN on a WA 737.
Of course, all of us know that WA served FSD but not SUX, so I looked in an old OAG to see how his friend might have gotten from SUX to DEN...and I was surprised to see OZ flew the route 4x day.
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well, as long as we’re citing memorable flight anniversaries, I’ll ring in with a pair from 48 years back:
- 5 June was my fourth and final flight on a Convair 880 (N816TW, TWA 387, EWR-ORD)
- 6 June was my first and only flight on a Hawker Siddeley HS.748 (N748LL, Air Illinois 704, CGX-CAP-ENL-MDH)
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32- must have been a 747-200 on the first flight, and the A310 most likely put down at Nairobi/NBO en route to LOS