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Old Jan 5, 2021, 2:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Spongthrush
45B. Was it Northeastern Airways? I recall - despite the name - a Florida based airline that reached as far as the west coast. Whoops....beaten to it
Welcome to the OTAQ&D, Spongthrush! While KT550 did indeed beat you to the answer on this particular question, the fact that you know the correct answer to this otherwise obscure tidbit strongly suggests that you probably know quite a bit more from this era. We welcome your participation to solving future questions.
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Old Jan 5, 2021, 2:56 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
Didn't Continental wind up later on with several A300 aircraft formerly operated by Eastern? I'm really not sure if they did and if so what the timeline was.
Indeed they did, JL. Here's a compete list of Continental's A300 fleet. While the list is a bit discombobulated as it transcribes to this platform, you can clearly see the Eastern heritage of some examples.

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N10970 B4-203 250 970 N970C / 10/92
N11984 B4-103 108 984 N215EA / /95 WFU MARANA, AZ
N11985 B4-203 119 985 N217EA / /95
N13971 B4-203 262 971 N971C /90 /
N13972 B4-203 289 972 N972C / 10/92
N13974 B4-203 126 974 N968C / / WFU MARANA, AZ
N13983 B4-103 092 983 N213EA / /
N14966 B4-203 117 966 N966C / /95
N14968 B4-203 153 968 N222EA 04/92 /
N14969 B4-203 207 969 N228EA 06/91 06/95
N14973 B4-203 211 973 N229EA 07/91 /
N14975 B4-203 261 975 N233EA 07/91 /
N14976 B4-203 271 976 N234EA 03/92 /
N14977 B4-203 274 977 N235EA 05/92 /
N14980 B4-103 086 908 N209EA /90 /
N15967 B4-203 121 967 N967C /90 /95
N16982 B4-103 091 982 N212EA / /
N209EA B4-103 086 980 F-GBNE 05/87 /90 RR N14980
N210EA B4-103 087 981 F-GBNF 05/87 / RR N29981
N212EA B4-103 091 982 F-GBNG 06/87 / RR N16982
N213EA B4-103 092 983 F-GBNH 06/87 / RR N13983
N215EA B4-103 108 984 F-GBNK 07/87 / RR N11984
N217EA B4-103 119 985 F-GBNM 05/87 / RR N11985
N222EA B4-203 153 968 F-GBNQ 04/91 04/92 RR N14968
N224EA B4-203 155 987 F-GBNS / / RR N72987
N225EA B4-203 158 F-GBNT / /
N228EA B4-203 207 969 F-GBNJ / / RR N14969
N229EA B4-203 211 973 F-GBNV / / RR N14973
N230EA B4-203 216 988 F-GBNX / / RR N72988
N231EA B4-203 220 989 F-GBNY / / RR N74989
N232EA B4-203 259 990 F-GBNZ / / RR N72990
N233EA B4-203 261 975 F-GDVA / / RR N14975
N234EA B4-203 271 976 F-GDVB / 03/92 RR N14976
N235EA B4-203 274 977 F-GDVC 04/91 05/92 RR N14977
N29981 B4-103 087 981 N210EA / /
N72986 B4-203 154 986 N223EA / /
N72987 B4-203 155 987 N224EA / 07/95
N72988 B4-203 216 988 N230EA / /
N72990 B4-203 259 990 N232EA / /92
N74989 B4-203 220 989 N231EA / /95
N966C B4-203 117 966 F-OGTB 06/86 / RR N14966
N967C B4-203 121 967 F-OGTC 06/86 / RR N15967
N968C B4-203 126 968 F-OGTA 07/86 / RR N13974
N970C B4-203 250 970 F-WZMU 07/86 / RR N10970
N971C B4-203 262 971 F-WZMH 05/86 / RR N13971
N972C B4-203 289 972 F-WZMM 04/86 / RR N13972
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Old Jan 5, 2021, 3:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf
38. (Misc) Emirates operated its first revenue flight in 1985. Identify the route and equipment

Dubai-Karachi A300B4

Correct! Its initial fleet of two A300Bs was provided by PIA (Pakistan)

42. (1984) You’re really looking forward to attending next month’s reunion of Illinois Central brakemen in Rockford, Illinois. Travel from your retirement home near Los Angeles International Airport will probably involve a connection or two. Rather surprisingly however, Rockford is now served by a single direct two-stop flight departing LAX every afternoon. Identify the airline, the two enroute stops and the aircraft type.

Frontier, Boeing 737-200, Greater Rockford Airport, now Chicago Rockford International Airport (RFD) - General Mitchell Field, now Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport (MKE) - Stapleton International Airport, now demolished (DEN) - LAX

You're essentially correct with the exception of the Milwaukee stop. Also your routing is backward. No biggie! I'm confident you can polish this one off toot sweet!

F9 LAX-DEN-XXX-RFD
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32. (2015) Back in the day you used to regularly take Eastern’s nonstop 727 from your home in New Orleans down to one of your company’s branch offices in Mexico City. Alas, that flight disappeared with Eastern back in 1991. Recently however, a new direct one stop flight has been initiated between Mexico City and the Crescent City. How convenient! Identify the airline, the aircraft and the one enroute stopover.

Let's try Aeromexico flying MSY-GDL-MEX with a B737-700.

Ah... it was not Aeromexico which - if my memory serves me correctly - did not commence service into MSY until 2017. Please, guess again!

56. (1997) You love flying down to your second home in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, especially now that there’s a convenient once daily nonstop flight out of New York’s Kennedy International. What airline and aircraft are operating this flight?

How about Air South flying a 737-200 JFK-MYR.

I like your thinking here, Bluehen1 and indeed, had the OAG I used to reference this question been from a bit earlier in the year, your answer would have been correct! Alas, by December of 1997 Air South was no longer in business. But you know what? The question indicated 1997, so with no indicator of when in 1997, your answer is indeed correct! Good call!

That said, allow me to rephrase this question as a Bonus Question:

Bonus Question 56B: (1997) You love flying down to your second home in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina but with the demise of Air South and its two mostly daily nonstops out of New York's JFK, that's become a more difficult proposition. Fear not, however! Happy days are here again with the arrival of another airline which offers a conveniently timed once daily nonstop out of New York’s Kennedy International. What airline and aircraft are operating this flight?
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Originally Posted by jlemon
53. (1997) You’ve lived in Howards Beach, NY your entire life. Back in the good old days, when business took you to your company’s main office in Pittsburgh, PA, it was oh so simple to hop on a TWA jet out of nearby JFK and fly straight into Pittsburgh. Alas, over the past few years, domestic airline service into JFK has been downgraded. Flights to PIT have been relegated to a series of small, cramped propeller driven aircraft. At 6’5” and 220 lbs, you dread folding yourself into one of those tiny little puddle jumpers. Thankfully, full sized jet service between JFK and PIT has now returned with two daily flights in each direction. Identify the airline and the aircraft type we’re talking about here.

I'm thinking this may have been Vanguard with B737-200 equipment.

And you would be correct, Sir! On a side note, in February of 1997 I flew aboard a Vanguard 737-200 between Salt Lake City and Denver. The fare was $19 and rather surprisingly, Vanguard offered free drinks, including those with alcohol. Getting back to your answer, here are the relevant flights:

Vanguard NK 427 New York (JFK) 120p-252p Pittsburgh (PIT) 737-200 Daily
Vanguard NK 805 New York (JFK) 840p-1012p Pittsburgh (PIT) 737-200 Daily

59. (1972) Qantas used to name its routes. For example, if you were flying Qantas from Australia across Asia to Europe, you were flying along the Kangaroo Route. What would be the name of the route you’d be on if you were flying Qantas from London to Bermuda?

59. Ah, this sure sounds like the "Fiesta Route", which I believe was so named because two of the stops between London and Sydney were Mexico City and Acapulco. I'll also guess the complete routing was London - Bermuda - Nassau - Mexico City - Acapulco - Papeete - Nadi - Sydney and the service was flown with a 707 "V-Jet" (and that's quite a long way to ride in coach from LHR to SYD!).

Spot on, JL! You've got both the route and the routing down! Check out the schedules:

QANTAS FIESTA ROUTE SCHEDULE

In my younger days I used to look at this route in particular and just dream. Dream that I was boarding the flight in Bermuda with a First Class seat all the way to Sydney. (Sorry, I don't dream Economy Class.) Almost as alluring was the Wallaby Route which is also shown on the page linked above. Another daydream worthy route is one we discussed recently here between Hong Kong and Johannesburg aboard BOAC's VC10. If I recall the westbound flight departed Hong Kong in the late morning and made stops at Colombo and Mahe (The Seychelles) enroute to Johannesburg.

I've had the good fortune to have flown numerous times in First Class aboard Cathay Pacific's nonstop flight between Hong Kong and Johannesburg. While Cathay is renowned for the quality of its inflight product, had the option been available I'd have taken that two two stop VC10 any day over the nonstop 747.

Since I'm in daydream mode, allow me to leave you with this photo depicting the reality of cocktail hour (Gin & Tonic, of course) whilst cruising high over the Indian Ocean on a sunny afternoon in April of 2012

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Old Jan 5, 2021, 4:43 pm
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Thanks for posting that. In the late '60s (or maybe 1970) when I first caught a glance of a 747, I (uncharacteristically) couldn't remember details of the flights I flew from SFO-JFK-LHR. Looks like it could well have been QF530, BA530 or some such,
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Originally Posted by jrl767
31. (1970) From your home in Sterling City, Texas you need to fly to Los Angeles. From the closest airport there are no nonstop or direct flights but there is a single connection involving two airlines which both operate essentially the same type of aircraft. The first airline’s flight makes a single stop enroute to the connecting city. The second airline’s flight makes two stops enroute to LAX. Identify both airlines, the aircraft type, the enroute stops for each flight and the connecting city.

Sterling City is ~49 miles from the airport in Big Spring (BGS) and ~51 miles from the airport in San Angelo (SJT); Texas International served both with the Convair 600, but SJT as the larger city was more likely to have seen a DC-9 ... given that both airlines operate the same equipment, we’re looking at Continental for the second flight

I can come up with several routing permutations that satisfy the stop criteria ... I can cut down the list a bit: I don’t actually recall CO with a lot of thru service to LAX from Dallas/DAL, and I don’t think backtracking all the way to Houston/IAH would have made sense, but a shorter eastward hop to Austin/AUS or San Antonio/SAT could be viable

I’ll start with TI operating SJT-SAT-AUS, and CO to LAX via El Paso/ELP and Tucson/TUS


Well aren't you the smart guy! Way to flesh this one out, J . You're definitely on the right track with regard to airlines, equipment and most stops. Where you're a bit off is the connecting city (which you've listed as a stop) and a couple of your initial stops. Here's what we know so far:

TI SJT-XXX-XXX
CO XXX-TUS-XXX-LAX
DC-9-10

Now then, which of the Texas cities you've mentioned is the connecting city?

34. (1984) Finally! You’ve been at sea for a month and now you’ve got the next two weeks off. You’ll be flying from Dutch Harbor, Alaska to New York City (JFK) aboard a trio of four engine aircraft, each manufactured by a different company. Two airlines will be involved. All flights to each connecting point will be nonstop. Three meals will be offered. Given the parameters, there is only one possible routing and combination of airlines. This oughta be a piece of cake for you geniuses! Identify the two airlines and each of the three different aircraft as well as the routing.

The only four-engine service out of DUT would have been a Reeve Aleutian Electra to Anchorage/ANC; the only other airline operating two four-engine types would have been United, and the next leg would have been a DC-8-71 to one of four possible connecting points (Seattle/SEA, Denver/DEN, Chicago/ORD, and San Francisco/SFO)

Surprisingly, the question doesn’t ask for the arrival airport, but there were no four-engine jets into LGA ...SEA-JFK was a 767; DEN-JFK/EWR saw a mix of 767, D10, and 72S (there may have been a stray D8S in there, but ANC-DEN wouldn’t have seen a 747); same for ORD ... I suspect the 747 segment was SFO-JFK, although UA certainly ran them on SFO-EWR at some point in time


You're off to a pretty good start here, J. The DUT-ANC Electra with Reeve is a gimme to most all carbon based life forms. I've amended the question to show JFK as the arrival airport and I'll toss in a hint: The routing did not include SFO. Other'n that, you're correct with regard to the DC-8-71 and the 747. Now, all that's left is to clean up that routing. Good luck!
BTW, sorry I missed this one from yesterday...

43. (1959) For passengers traveling between Dallas and San Antonio, Braniff Airways is far and away the dominant airline. Indeed, on its six mostly daily flights, Braniff operates four different aircraft types. Identify each one.

We have the Six, the Seven, and the Electra, and we have eliminated the 707 and the Convair ... did BN still have a lonely Connie or two in the fleet in early to mid '59?

Yes.

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32. So, let's go with a domestic US airline instead and say that it's MSY-IAH-MEX on United with a Boeing 737-700.

56B. Would this be Jet Express (originally Myrtle Beach Jet Express) flying JFK-MYR with a 727-100?
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
Thanks for posting that. In the late '60s (or maybe 1970) when I first caught a glance of a 747, I (uncharacteristically) couldn't remember details of the flights I flew from SFO-JFK-LHR. Looks like it could well have been QF530, BA530 or some such,
Perhaps the timetable image linked to below will help:

QANTAS' SOUTHERN CROSS ROUTE (1968)
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Please limit yourselves to no more than two questions per day so that all may partake. And as always, we are looking for complete answers here.

31. (1970) From your home in Sterling City, Texas you need to fly to Los Angeles. From the closest airport there are no nonstop or direct flights but there is a single connection involving two airlines which both operate essentially the same type of aircraft. The first airline’s flight makes a single stop enroute to the connecting city. The second airline’s flight makes two stops enroute to LAX. Identify both airlines, the aircraft type, the enroute stops for each flight and the connecting city.
A N S W E R E D

32. (2015) Back in the day you used to regularly take Eastern’s nonstop 727 from your home in New Orleans down to one of your company’s branch offices in Mexico City. Alas, that flight disappeared with Eastern back in 1991. Recently however, a new direct one stop flight has been initiated between Mexico City and the Crescent City. How convenient! Identify the airline, the aircraft and the one enroute stopover.
A N S W E R E D

33. (1997) You live in Brownsville, Texas and need to fly up to New York City to attend your daughter’s graduation from prestigious Columbia, University. You’re surprised to learn that there’s a one-stop flight departing Brownsville each morning at 6:20am and landing at New York’s convenient LaGuardia Airport. Unfortunately your return flight will involve connections. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the single enroute stop for your flight up to the Big Apple.

34. (1984) Finally! You’ve been at sea for a month and now you’ve got the next two weeks off. You’ll be flying from Dutch Harbor, Alaska to New York City aboard a trio of four engine aircraft, each manufactured by a different company. Two airlines will be involved. All flights to each connecting point will be nonstop. Three meals will be offered. Given the parameters, there is only one possible routing and combination of airlines. This oughta be a piece of cake for you geniuses! Identify the two airlines and each of the three different aircraft as well as the routing.
A N S W E R E D

35. (1959) Travelers flying between Miami and San Francisco have a choice of two airlines offering direct multi-stop flights. One airline does so in conjunction with two other airlines on an interchange flight. The other operates on its own all the way through. That’s the one we’re interested in here. Its four stop flight represents the fastest trip between MIA and SFO. Identify the airline, the four enroute stops and the aircraft type.
A N S W E R E D

36. (1972) If you want to fly nonstop between Dubrovnik and London, there’s only one airline to call. Name that airline and the aircraft it employs on this route.
It's not JAT

37. (1992) As head of the Illinois Department of Agriculture, it’s your job to find out just how North Dakota manages to get such a high yield off its wheat crops. As such, you’ll need to fly to Fargo to meet with your counterpart in the North Dakota Department of Agriculture. To your everlasting surprise and amazement, there’s a daily one stop direct flight on a jet no less departing Springfield every morning. You instruct your secretary to book a seat and a room at the Holiday Inn. Identify the airline, the enroute stop and the aircraft.

39. (1970) You’re really looking forward to finally taking a vacation in Las Vegas. From your home in Marquette Park on Chicago’s South Side, you’re not looking forward to the drive way up north across town to O’Hare Airport. Imagine then your surprise and delight to discover that there’s a single almost daily direct flight out of nearby Midway Airport that makes two enroute stops. There’s even a snack served enroute! Identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stops.

41. (1997) As curator of the Calgary Zoo, you’ll be flying to New York City to consult with the world famous Bronx Zoo on their recent acquisition of Musk Oxen. Additionally, you’re hoping to obtain a pair of rare Tasmanian Devils of which they have four. You envision first flying to Toronto but are pleased to discover a single daily one stop direct flight between Calgary and New York’s LaGuardia Airport. Identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stop.

42. (1984) You’re really looking forward to attending next month’s reunion of Illinois Central brakemen in Rockford, Illinois. Travel from your retirement home near Los Angeles International Airport will probably involve a connection or two. Rather surprisingly however, Rockford is now served by a single direct two-stop flight departing LAX every afternoon. Identify the airline, the two enroute stops and the aircraft type.
A N S W E R E D

44. (1972) Pan Am and TWA each offer nonstop and direct flights between London and San Francisco. Besides them, what are the other two airlines that offer one-stop direct flights between LHR and SFO?

46. (1992) Ever since Midway Airlines went belly up last year, service between New York and Chicago’s south side airport has been limited to just a single daily flight. Thankfully its early evening departure out of Newark works well for you. Identify the airline and aircraft operating this lone flight.
It's not Kiwi Pacific

47. (1970) By late 1970, Eastern’s once formidable Lockheed Electra services had been reduced to back-up duty on the Northeast Shuttle and a single Florida based operation. The Miami based Electra made a single daily three stop flight to another city in Florida. Identify that city and the three enroute stops on the northbound flight.
A N S W E R E D

49. (1997) Your top ranked Miami Hurricanes are playing the 7th ranked Wisconsin Badgers in two weeks. The game is in Madison and you’ve managed to score tickets for you and your girlfriend to attend the game. From your home in Coral Gables, it would be nice if you could fly out of nearby Miami International but that’ll involve a connection in Atlanta your girlfriend is still recovering from the fiasco that was your last trip through ATL. But hey! What’s this? Here’s a one stop direct flight from Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood Airport on Friday night straight through to Madison. Book it, Baby! Identify the airline, the enroute stop and the aircraft you’ll be flying upon.

50. (1984) This is the second time you’ve been invited to the International Frank Sinatra Idol vocal competition, to be held this year in Palm Springs, CA. This time you’re in it to win it! From your home outside of Omaha, Nebraska, you were going to fly into LAX and drive from there but when you discover that there’s a single daily two stop flight departing OMA each morning, you quickly book a seat. Identify the airline, the two enroute stops and the aircraft type.

52. (1972) What is the only airline that – in 1972 – operated the Boeing 707, the Comet IV AND the Ilyushin IL-62?.
A N S W E R E D

54. (1992) Billy Ray Dutton’s got a prize Texas Longhorn steer up in Lubbock and he’s fixing to sell. You’d like to add some Longhorns to your herd down in Corpus, but first you’ll need to head up to Lubbock to inspect the beast. Southwest’s got a couple of daily flights but at 6’5” and 240 lbs you don’t do well in those skinny lil’ coach seats. Lucky for you, turns out there’s a single daily one stop direct flight that offers First Class. Halleluja! Book it! Identify the airline, the equipment and the enroute stop.

55. (1970) From your home on the island of Grenada, you’ll be heading north to Canada to visit your son and his family in Moncton, New Brunswick. Along the way you’ll make a quick stop to visit your sister in Bermuda. You’ll have to make an interline connection (involving two airlines) between Grenada and Bermuda followed by a single online connection between Bermuda and Moncton. Economy Class is sold out between Bermuda and Moncton so you’ll be flying in First Class between those two points. All told, you’ll be flying aboard three different airlines, with each of the flights operated by a different aircraft type, each of them powered by engines not manufactured in the United States. Identify each of the airlines involved, the enroute stops between Grenada and Bermuda and Moncton and of course each of the four different aircraft.

Bonus Question 56B: (1997) You love flying down to your second home in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina but with the demise of Air South and its two mostly daily nonstops out of New York's JFK, that's become a more difficult proposition. Fear not, however! Happy days are here again with the arrival of another airline which offers a conveniently timed once daily nonstop out of New York’s Kennedy International. What airline and aircraft are operating this flight?
It's not ExpressJet

57. (1984) Seems like only yesterday that you had a choice of nonstops between New York and Las Vegas, including a daily 747 flight. Sigh… Those were the days… the good old days. These days, the New York to Las Vegas market is down to a single morning nonstop out of JFK. At least you’ll get a breakfast along the way. Airline and aircraft please.

58. (1959) You’re in Fresno, California and need to fly to Phoenix to attend next week’s Agribusiness Conference in Tempe. You know there couldn’t possibly be any nonstops between Fresno and Phoenix and so are thrilled when your travel agent gets back to you with news that there’s a single daily one-stop direct flight between Fresno and Phoenix. Identify the airline, the single enroute stop and of the aircraft type to be flown aboard.

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Originally Posted by Seat 2A
... cocktail hour (Gin & Tonic, of course) whilst cruising high over the Indian Ocean on a sunny afternoon in April of 2012
we were booked on that CX flight (albeit the eastbound redeye) for this past August; it would have been in J on an A350-900, but still doubtless a great experience ... and while not the same quality of service, we would have also been on a pair of BA 747-400s en route to JNB (LAS-LHR in J, LHR-JNB in F)


31- TI SJT-XXX-XXX, CO XXX-TUS-XXX-LAX, DC-9-10; connection at either SAT or ELP

I was toying with the idea of showing my decision table , but as with Seat 2A's listing of CO's A300 fleet a few posts upthread, the columns in the Excel spreadsheet didn't translate into this message schema ... so herewith the plain-language logic:
  • if the connection point was SAT, the TI jet could have put down at Abilene/ABI, but I don't really like the north-south geography of that routing
  • if the connection point was ELP, the stop could have been at either Midland-Odessa/MAF or Lubbock/LBB ... again, the geography argues against LBB
  • in either case, the second stop for the CO flight was Phoenix/PHX, so I'll guess SJT-MAF-ELP//ELP-TUS-PHX-LAX

34- DUT-ANC-XXX-JFK, RV Electra, UA D8S and 747, XXX isn't SFO

well, there are two more possible connecting points on UA's route map
  1. Honolulu/HNL -- I'm almost certain they operated the Stretch 8 from ANC, but I'm also almost certain that the longest 747 trip back to the mainland was ORD
  2. Los Angeles/LAX -- I think by 1984 UA was exclusively a D10 operator on LAX-JFK
so despite my earlier doubt, I'll offer that the D8S-to-747 connection happened at ORD

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Originally Posted by Bluehen1
32. (2015) Back in the day you used to regularly take Eastern’s nonstop 727 from your home in New Orleans down to one of your company’s branch offices in Mexico City. Alas, that flight disappeared with Eastern back in 1991. Recently however, a new direct one stop flight has been initiated between Mexico City and the Crescent City. How convenient! Identify the airline, the aircraft and the one enroute stopover.

So, let's go with a domestic US airline instead and say that it's MSY-IAH-MEX on United with a Boeing 737-700.

Now we're talkin'! You are correct on all points except for the aircraft type. It was not a 737. Tap in time, here...

Bonus Question 56B: (1997)You love flying down to your second home in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina but with the demise of Air South and its two mostly daily nonstops out of New York's JFK, that's become a more difficult proposition. Fear not, however! Happy days are here again with the arrival of another airline which offers a conveniently timed once daily nonstop out of New Yorks Kennedy International. What airline and aircraft are operating this flight?

Would this be Jet Express (originally Myrtle Beach Jet Express) flying JFK-MYR with a 727-100?

Interesting... I did a bit of research on Jet Express (originally Myrtle Beach Jet Express) and found a timetable dated 1996 showing a nonstop flight out of New York (JFK) into Myrtle Beach. That said, there is no evidence of either Jet Express or Myrtle Beach Jet Express in my 1997 OAG. A bit more research reveals that Jet Express / Myrtle Beach Jet Express was owned by World Technology Systems (WTS) d/b/a SunJet International Sales (SJIS) and also d/b/a Myrtle Beach Jet Express (MBJE). WTS was a Public Charter operator that arranged charter flights on various airlines. In the case of Myrtle Beach Jet Express, it appears its flights may have been operated by Prestige Airways. In any event, as a Public Charter operation, it's quite possible these flights may not have been listed in the OAG even though they were operating at the time. Records show that WTS ceased operation of its SJIS and MBJE charter programs in 1999.

I once flew on an operation like this between Orlando (Sanford) and Kalamazoo. The flight was marketed through an outfit with a name like Directflights.com and was to be operated by a Vision Airlines 737-400. What a mess it all turned out to be.

First off, the flight was originally scheduled to depart Sanford (SFB) at 9:15am. The day before departure I got a call from Directflights.com informing me that the departure time had been changed to 3:15pm. Well, okay then. Mildly disappointing, but what can you do - especially having paid just $69 for the oneway ticket to a destination that would have cost considerably more via the legacy carriers. As such, there would be no Rule 240 switches to other airlines. So, on the day of departure, I arrive at Sanford at about 2:00pm and head for the check in counter where I was informed that the flight would now be departing at 9:15pm. Something about the aircraft breaking down this morning and the operator having to scramble to find an alternate airline and aircraft to operate the flight. Sanford International Airport is out in the middle of nowhere. The airport is popular with charter and scheduled flights coming in from the UK and Europe. Additionally, one or two short lived domestic airlines such as Pan Am II (Owned by New Hampshire based Guilford Transportation Industries) operated a handful of scheduled flights from airports along te eastern seaboard) also served SFB. I had nowhere to go so I watched as couple of Europe bound A330s loaded up and pushed back. I had a hamburger in the basic cafeteria and read a bit. Finally at about 9pm a Sun Country 737-800 shows up, the crew does an impressive job of quickly boarding us and by about 920p we're wheels-up and on our way to Kalamazoo. 12 hours late.
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31. (1970) From your home in Sterling City, Texas you need to fly to Los Angeles. From the closest airport there are no nonstop or direct flights but there is a single connection involving two airlines which both operate essentially the same type of aircraft. The first airline’s flight makes a single stop enroute to the connecting city. The second airline’s flight makes two stops enroute to LAX. Identify both airlines, the aircraft type, the enroute stops for each flight and the connecting city.

TI SJT-XXX-XXX, CO XXX-TUS-XXX-LAX, DC-9-10; connection at either SAT or ELP

I was toying with the idea of showing my decision table , but as with Seat 2A's listing of CO's A300 fleet a few posts upthread, the columns in the Excel spreadsheet didn't translate into this message schema ... so herewith the plain-language logic:
  • if the connection point was SAT, the TI jet could have put down at Abilene/ABI, but I don't really like the north-south geography of that routing
  • if the connection point was ELP, the stop could have been at either Midland-Odessa/MAF or Lubbock/LBB ... again, the geography argues against LBB
  • in either case, the second stop for the CO flight was Phoenix/PHX, so I'll guess SJT-MAF-ELP//ELP-TUS-PHX-LAX
jrl767, You Da Man! Way to work it out! Here's the schedule:

Texas International TI 941 San Angelo (SJT) 1249p- 116p Midland (MAF) 131p-116p S El Paso (ELP) DC-9-10
Continental CO 171 El Paso (ELP) 225p-315p Tucson (TUS) 330p-400p Phoenix (PHX) 415p-420p Los Angeles (LAX) DC-9-10

34. (1984) Finally! You’ve been at sea for a month and now you’ve got the next two weeks off. You’ll be flying from Dutch Harbor, Alaska to New York City aboard a trio of four engine aircraft, each manufactured by a different company. Two airlines will be involved. All flights to each connecting point will be nonstop. Three meals will be offered. Given the parameters, there is only one possible routing and combination of airlines. This oughta be a piece of cake for you geniuses! Identify the two airlines and each of the three different aircraft as well as the routing.

DUT-ANC-XXX-JFK, RV Electra, UA D8S and 747, XXX isn't SFO

Well, there are two more possible connecting points on UA's route map
  1. Honolulu/HNL -- I'm almost certain they operated the Stretch 8 from ANC, but I'm also almost certain that the longest 747 trip back to the mainland was ORD
  2. Los Angeles/LAX -- I think by 1984 UA was exclusively a D10 operator on LAX-JFK
So despite my earlier doubt, I'll offer that the D8S-to-747 connection happened at ORD

jrl767, I owe you an apology! It's NOT Reeve operating the Electra between Dutch and Anchorage. Reeve doing so is kinda seared into my subconscious because I've flown the Reeve Electra between Anchorage and Dutch on a coupla occasions, but in 1984 (at least per the schedule I reference for this question) Reeve was operating one-stop YS-11 service between DUT and ANC. Other than that, you're spot on regarding the United DC-8-71 connecting to the 747 via ORD. Here's the schedule so far:

XXXXXXXXXX Dutch Harbor (DUT) 400p-600p L Anchorage (ANC) XXXXXX
United UA 64 Anchorage (ANC) 850p-540a D Chicago (ORD) DC-8-71 Daily
United UA 2 Chicago (ORD) 645a-948a
B New York (JFK) 747-100 Daily

So then, all we need is the airline and aircraft operating the DUT-ANC nonstop. Great job so far and again, sorry for the mix up on my end

We were booked on that CX flight (albeit the eastbound redeye) for this past August; it would have been in J on an A350-900, but still doubtless a great experience ... and while not the same quality of service, we would have also been on a pair of BA 747-400s en route to JNB (LAS-LHR in J, LHR-JNB in F)

I had a chance to log my first flight aboard an A350 two years ago between Hong Kong and Bangkok. It was tempting, but given that at that point I'd logged 29 flights with Cathay - all of them in First Class - I decided to keep the streak alive and book F aboard the boring 3 class 777 down to BKK instead.

As for BA, based upon many of the posts I've seen here on FT, it seems almost trendy to bemoan the quality - or lack thereof - of its First Class service. Since 2002 I've logged 38 intercontinental flights in BA's First and for the most part I find them to be pretty good, sometimes very good. Are there better services out there? Certainly. But on the whole, in my estimation at least, BA's First Class is still a solid First Class product. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them or fly with them again. Here are links to a couple of my trip reports covering BA First including one of my most recent between Tel Aviv and London.

TRIP REPORT: BA First LHR-SFO January 2005

TRIP REPORT BA First TLV-LHR February 2019

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so we’re still after a four-engine aircraft on DUT-ANC? I am at a total loss for anyone who might have had a BAe 146 in Alaska, much less halfway out the Aleutians
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42. (1984) You’re really looking forward to attending next month’s reunion of Illinois Central brakemen in Rockford, Illinois. Travel from your retirement home near Los Angeles International Airport will probably involve a connection or two. Rather surprisingly however, Rockford is now served by a single direct two-stop flight departing LAX every afternoon. Identify the airline, the two enroute stops and the aircraft type.

Frontier, Boeing 737-200, Greater Rockford Airport, now Chicago Rockford International Airport (RFD) - General Mitchell Field, now Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport (MKE) - Stapleton International Airport, now demolished (DEN) - LAX

Corrected answer: Madison (MSN) and the reverse direction, starting from LAX. Oops, showing up at LAX airport in 1984 (paper tickets then) with a RFD to LAX ticket would lead to some dialogue along the lines of "sorry, you booked the wrong ticket".

So LAX - DEN (Stapleton, not Denver International) - MSN - RFD.
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