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Old Jul 9, 2020, 3:38 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon
It appears that Antilles Air Boats also had another Beautiful Old Girl with this one visiting Ireland in the late 1970's before flying on to the UK.....
This is the one, in Ansett colours, now in the museum in Southampton UK. There's a special small glazed extension to the building specifically to get the flying boat's tail in, which you can see when passing by on the road. Southampton was the departure point for the Empire flying boats.

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Old Jul 9, 2020, 10:31 am
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28- one last red-and-white guess: Frontier, MD-80, second flight stopping in Denver
28. Frontier is correct....but not with the MD-80. Here are the scheds....

FL 650: Palm Springs (PSP) 7:30a - 8:03a Los Angeles (LAX)
Freq: Daily
Service class: S
Equip: B737-200
Note: FL 650 operated continuing service LAX-DEN

Connecting to......

FL 234: Los Angeles (LAX) 10:25a - 1:32p Denver (DEN) 2:30p - 5:39p Chicago O'Hare (ORD)
Freq: Daily
Service class: S
Meal service: Lunch LAX-DEN
Equip: B737-200
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 10:39 am
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moving along here ...

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39. If you wanted to fly into Twin Falls, Idaho (TWF) on board a Boeing 737-300 in 1993, what airline would you call and where would you depart from nonstop to TWF?
39- this was a bit too early for Western Pacific out of their Colorado Springs (COS) hub ... I can't recall that Wien flew the -300, and TWF seems a bit odd among their Lower 48 destinations, but WC was no longer around anyway ... so I believe we're looking at Morris Air out of Salt Lake City (SLC)
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42. If you wanted to fly into Denver on board a Fokker 100 at this time (1996) you could do so but this flight only operated three days a week. What airline would be flying with and where would you depart from nonstop to DEN?
42- not many Fokker operators in that part of the country

the 3x/week constraint would seem to rule out American unless it was a tag that originated at Dallas (DFW), but even that's a stretch of the imagination, and I don't know that a 100 with a yellow tail and nacelles could have made it from Midway's (v2) Raleigh/Durham (RDU) hub

I'm almost positive Canadian's jets accumulated most if not all of their hours on domestic flights (and in fact I don't recall them even operating into DEN, as Air Canada had most of the transborder market share) ... that leaves Mexicana; their longer and higher-traffic routes saw 727-200s and A320s, which suggests the Fokker served a second-tier destination such as Monterrey (MTY)
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by WHBM
This is the one, in Ansett colours, now in the museum in Southampton UK. There's a special small glazed extension to the building specifically to get the flying boat's tail in, which you can see when passing by on the road. Southampton was the departure point for the Empire flying boats.

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.8981...7i16384!8i8192
Curious to know what the differences are concerning the Short S-25 Sandringham and the Short S-25 Sunderland......
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 10:53 am
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Originally Posted by jrl767
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39- this was a bit too early for Western Pacific out of their Colorado Springs (COS) hub ... I can't recall that Wien flew the -300, and TWF seems a bit odd among their Lower 48 destinations, but WC was no longer around anyway ... so I believe we're looking at Morris Air out of Salt Lake City (SLC)

42- not many Fokker operators in that part of the country

the 3x/week constraint would seem to rule out American unless it was a tag that originated at Dallas (DFW), but even that's a stretch of the imagination, and I don't know that a 100 with a yellow tail and nacelles could have made it from Midway's (v2) Raleigh/Durham (RDU) hub

I'm almost positive Canadian's jets accumulated most if not all of their hours on domestic flights (and in fact I don't recall them even operating into DEN, as Air Canada had most of the transborder market share) ... that leaves Mexicana; their longer and higher-traffic routes saw 727-200s and A320s, which suggests the Fokker served a second-tier destination such as Monterrey (MTY)
39. Correct! Morris Air (KN) served Twin Falls only for a short time. Here's their route map from 1993....

Morris Air February 1993 Route Map

42. Mexicana de Aviacion is correct.....but not from Monterrey.
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon
Curious to know what the differences are concerning the Short S-25 Sandringham and the Short S-25 Sunderland......
Appears the two are related as the Avro Lancasters and Lancastrians are?

Sunderlands, or rather CGI facsimiles of, make an apperance in the 2nd season of Das Boot.
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 12:16 pm
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As always, please limit your response to two quiz items per day so that all may participate. And we are looking for decisive and complete answers here. This includes being as specific as possible concerning the aircraft model. Thanks!

22. The sailing trip in the late winter of 1976 to Virgin Gorda was absolutely splendid and you're back in St. Thomas.....but now it's time to get back to work. And that means a flight to Boston. Fortunately, there's a daily direct flight from STT to BOS which makes two stops en route. Name the airline, both stops and the equipment. ANSWERED

23. Braniff International had an agreement in place in 1979 concerning service from Aberdeen, Scotland operated by a UK-based air carrier with connections available in London to BN operated flights. Braniff was also offering free ground transportation between London Gatwick and London Heathrow in order to facilitate these connections. Identify the UK airline that was operating the flights from Aberdeen. ANSWERED

26. You're in Paris in 1980 and need to travel to Boston on a Thursday. You've found a flight which makes one stop that fits your schedule. Name the airport you will depart from in Paris, the airline, the stop and the equipment. ANSWERED

27. It's 1985 and you are in Montreal. You've been invited to conduct a business presentation in San Diego and have found a daily direct flight from YUL to SAN which makes two stops en route. Identify the air carrier, both stops and the aircraft.
It wasn't Delta, Republic, Eastern, USAir or Air Canada and stops were not made at LGA, DFW, DTW, PHX, BOS, MCI, PHL, PIT, YOW or YYZ. Aircraft was a B727-200.

The next three quiz items have a time line of 1987.....

30. You are in Cedar Rapids and need to travel to Midland/Odessa. You've found a direct flight operated with a jet that operates daily and makes three stops en route. Name the air carrier, all three stops in order and the equipment.

31. Time to head back to Chicago on business. You are in Long Beach and need to depart in the late afternoon to Chicago O'Hare. There's a direct one stop flight from LGB that will arrive into ORD just after 11:00 pm and dinner will be served en route. Identify the airline, the stop and the aircraft. It wasn't United or Jet America, the stop was not made at ONT or DEN and the equipment wasn't a B767-200 or MD-80

32. This air carrier announced it would begin a daily shuttle operation in the fall of 1987 flown with mainline jet equipment from San Jose (SJC) to Los Angeles (LAX) with flights operating every hour on the hour from 7:30 am to 8:30 pm. Name the airline. It wasn't PSA, AirCal or American

The next three quiz items have a time line of 1989.....

33. You need to travel from New York City to Seattle. You would also prefer to depart from LaGuardia Airport. Thankfully, you're in no rush and have found an interesting flight which operates daily and makes three stops en route. Identify the air carrier, all three stops in order and the equipment.

34. You're in San Francisco and have a meeting to attend in Guatemala City. Ah, here's a daily flight from SFO to GUA which makes two stops en route. You book a seat in first class, of course. Name the airline, both stops and the aircraft.

35. The phone rings and guess who is on the line....."Buddy, it's time for my annual party at the house! Come on out!" This means you need to fly to Santa Barbara and your present location is Atlanta. You think a connection will need to be made but are then surprised to find a direct flight from ATL to SBA which makes two stops en route. Of course, you book a seat in first class. Identify the airline, both stops and the equipment.

37. It's 1991 and you are in Houston. You've been invited on a sailing excursion with good friends who currently have their sailboat moored at a marina located on San Andres Island in the Caribbean. One airline can get you there via a connecting service. You'll depart from IAH on a Saturday to your connecting airport on a flight which will make two stops en route. You'll then have one hour to connect to a nonstop flight to San Andres Island. The same aircraft type will be operated on both flights. Identify the air carrier, the two stops made by the first flight, the connecting city and the equipment. ANSWERED

38. In 1992, this airline featured a business class section on a number of its Boeing 737-200 aircraft with a total of 30 business class seats in 2-2 configuration with ample legroom. Other B737-200 aircraft in its fleet were configured with all-economy cabins with 105 or 120 seats at this time. Name the air carrier.

42. If you wanted to fly into Denver on board a Fokker 100 at this time in 1996, you could do so but this flight only operated three days a week. What airline would be flying with and where would you depart from nonstop to DEN? Mexicana de Aviacion with nonstop service from _________. It wasn't MTY.

43. You are in Los Angeles in 1997 and need to attend a meeting in New York City. The location of the meeting is very close to LaGuardia Airport so it would be great if you could fly directly into LGA. You've found a flight which indeed arrives into LaGuardia. The service operates on weekdays and makes two stops en route with breakfast and lunch being served. Identify the air carrier, both stops and the aircraft. ANSWERED

44. In 2000 this airline was operating an all business class type service from Las Vegas to Washington Dulles every weekday with one stop being made en route. Name the air carrier, the stop and the equipment. ANSWERED

45. Now it's 2001 and you once again need to travel from Los Angeles to New York City for a meeting near LaGuardia Airport. You've found a direct flight from LAX to LGA which makes one stop en route and operates daily except on Saturdays with lunch and dinner being served. Identify the airline, the stop and the aircraft. ANSWERED
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 12:22 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon

BONUS QUESTION: Antilles Air Boats also operated a scheduled passenger fixed wing operation at one point in the Caribbean on behalf of another airline. What was the name of this airline service and what type of aircraft was operated?
And still looking for an answer here as well......
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 12:25 pm
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27. It's 1985 and you are in Montreal. You've been invited to conduct a business presentation in San Diego and have found a daily direct flight from YUL to SAN which makes two stops en route. Identify the air carrier, both stops and the aircraft.
Have no clue if Air Canada had (or exercised it it had) rights to SAN then but am going to guess the flight stopped in YOW and YYZ with the previously-guessed 727-200.
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 12:46 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
Have no clue if Air Canada had (or exercised it it had) rights to SAN then but am going to guess the flight stopped in YOW and YYZ with the previously-guessed 727-200.
27. That's a great guess; however, it wasn't Air Canada and the flight in question did not stop in Ottawa or Toronto.

Back in 1985, Air Canada was serving both LAX and SFO but not SAN in California. I think AC does serve San Diego at the present time or was serving SAN via Air Canada Express and Air Canada Rouge before the pandemic......

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Old Jul 9, 2020, 1:33 pm
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44. In 2000 this airline was operating an all business class type service from Las Vegas to Washington Dulles every weekday with one stop being made en route. Name the air carrier, the stop and the equipment.
I remember this one from the early days of FT and several past and present must have flown it.

Legend, DAL, DC-9.
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 2:42 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
I remember this one from the early days of FT and several past and present must have flown it.

Legend, DAL, DC-9.
44. Correct! And Legend operated DC9-32 aircraft with just 56 seats in 2-2 configuration. The 56 seat config enabled Legend to get around the Wright Amendment and thus serve such destinations as LAX and LGA in addition to LAS and IAD nonstop from Dallas Love Field. Here's the sched....

LC 20: Las Vegas (LAS) 1:55a - 6:15a Dallas Love (DAL) 7:00a - 10:30a Washington Dulles (IAD)
Freq: LAS-DAL daily, DAL-IAD daily except Sat. & Sun.
Service class: Y (I think the cabin and service was more like a first/business class hybrid)
Meal service: Snack LAS-DAL, Breakfast DAL-IAD
Equip: DC9-32

I remember visiting Legend's private terminal on the east side of Dallas Love Field and also seeing a local TV news interview in Dallas with T. Allan McArtor, President & CEO of the airline, who was sitting in one of the DC9-32 aircraft shortly before Legend began scheduled service. He extolled the virtues of the airline and said something like, "This is really going to be great!" And it was for awhile before the carrier shut down due to financial challenges as well as competition from American which also began offering flights from Dallas Love Field. Here's the Legend service brochure.....

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Old Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 pm
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44. ...Legend operated DC9-32 aircraft with just 56 seats in 2-2 configuration ... to get around the Wright Amendment ... shut down due to financial challenges as well as competition from American which also began offering flights from Dallas Love Field.
AA's "competition" consisted of a small sub-fleet (half a dozen or so?) of their Fokker 100s, also refitted into a 56-seat configuration
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 4:42 pm
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AA's "competition" consisted of a small sub-fleet (half a dozen or so?) of their Fokker 100s, also refitted into a 56-seat configuration
They sure did. And I had the pleasure one fine day of flying on board one of these AA operated Fokker 100 aircraft configured with 56 seats.

Here are seating charts for the standard two class Fokker 100 and the single class "special markets" Fokker 100 both flown by American....

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Old Jul 9, 2020, 5:05 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
Curious to know what the differences are concerning the Short S-25 Sandringham and the Short S-25 Sunderland......
They are the same aircraft. Like the Convair 340 to 580 conversions, there were no new Sandringhams, only rebuilds from the Sunderland, there being plenty of spare ones immediately after WW2, about 750 having been built. It was quite a big conversion job done by Shorts at their wartime Belfast factory, the same one that nowadays, full of computerised machine tools, builds the Airbus A220 fuselages. All the military equipment, the guns etc, were removed and streamlined over, and a complete airline interior installed. New construction numbers were issued. The one at Southampton was SB.2018, all Shorts aircraft were just numbered from 1 upwards, and got conversion number SH.55C in the conversion series.

Sunderlands had both Bristol-Siddeley engines and P&W R-1830s, as on the DC-3 and Catalina, and Sandringhams similarly had either.

The one at Kermit Weeks is a home-built conversion done to a former New Zealand Air Force Sunderland by Ansett themselves, to "near" Sandringham standards.

There was a further build of new post-war aircraft, the Solent, which BOAC, TEAL in New Zealand, etc, also bought, which were a further advance in standards. If you have ever seen the one in the museum in Oakland CA that's a Solent. You have to be a bit of a rivet-counter to be able to tell the different ones apart, they all look and performed pretty similarly.
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