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Old Jul 6, 2020, 5:46 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
Note that I updated where we are with this quiz item in post # 19545. You'll see that La Paz wasn't the intermediate stop made by the second flight, the connecting city wasn't Lima and that the Boeing 707 service operated by Aerolineas Argentinas indeed continued on from Jujuy to Buenos Aires. And this flight did arrive into EZE from Jujuy and thus not AEP.
How about Ecuatoriana LAX - Quito UIO on the aforementioned DC10 and then UIO - Guayaquil (GYE). From GYE - JUJ it's on an Aerolineas Argentinas 707 as described above.
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Old Jul 6, 2020, 6:14 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767
7- another one for the wild guess file here ... I guessed BOG and LIM (both erroneously) as the connecting point, but neither was explicitly ruled out as the intermediate stop ... Western D10 operating LAX-Mexico City (MEX), followed by the AR 707 to Jujuy via BOG
7. The Aerolineas Argentinas flight indeed stopped in Bogota en route from the connecting city to Jujuy.

However, the connecting city wasn't Mexico City.....and Western wasn't the airline operating the first flight from LAX.
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Old Jul 6, 2020, 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by OskiBear
How about Ecuatoriana LAX - Quito UIO on the aforementioned DC10 and then UIO - Guayaquil (GYE). From GYE - JUJ it's on an Aerolineas Argentinas 707 as described above.
7. A great guess to be sure.....however, it wasn't Ecuatoriana and the connection wasn't made at Quito. Plus, we now know that Bogota was the intermediate stop between the connecting city and Jujuy concerning the AR operated 707 flight.
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Old Jul 6, 2020, 8:24 pm
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7. The meeting in Los Angeles on a Friday morning in 1980 has gone extremely well and you have now been awarded a new consulting contract. And then you hear this in the client's boardroom: "We want you to journey to the project site in Jujuy as soon as reasonably possible." Ah.....what? Where? "Jujuy. It's in South America. We're sure you'll be able find it and get there straight away. Good luck and congratulations!" Sure enough you find Jujuy and quickly ascertain that two different airlines and a connection will be required to get there. Your first flight only operates on Saturdays nonstop to your connecting city where you will have two hours and 15 minutes to connect. Your second flight also operates only on Saturdays and makes one stop en route. Name both air carriers and the different equipment they respectively operate on each flight, the connecting airport and the en route stop made by the second flight. The first flight was not operated by JAL, Braniff International, Avianca or Varig, and the connection was not made at GRU, LIM or BOG. The equipment operated on the first flight was a DC-10.The second flight was operated by Aerolineas Argentinas with a 707....but the stop was not made at EZE, LPB or SCL.

Thinking of South American DC-10 operators that also served Los Angeles - there weren't very many. Aside from Varig, none come to mind. So, let's take a different tack and board a Pan Am DC-10 from LA over to Miami. Then we'll board that Aerolineas 707 and route through Bogota to Jujuy.

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Old Jul 6, 2020, 9:47 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
7. The Aerolineas Argentinas flight indeed stopped in Bogota en route from the connecting city to Jujuy.
Perhaps the connecting city is in the US?
Let's try:
LAX-MIA on National Airlines DC10
MIA-BOG-JUJ on Aerolineas 707
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Old Jul 7, 2020, 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A
7. The meeting in Los Angeles on a Friday morning in 1980 has gone extremely well and you have now been awarded a new consulting contract. And then you hear this in the client's boardroom: "We want you to journey to the project site in Jujuy as soon as reasonably possible." Ah.....what? Where? "Jujuy. It's in South America. We're sure you'll be able find it and get there straight away. Good luck and congratulations!" Sure enough you find Jujuy and quickly ascertain that two different airlines and a connection will be required to get there. Your first flight only operates on Saturdays nonstop to your connecting city where you will have two hours and 15 minutes to connect. Your second flight also operates only on Saturdays and makes one stop en route. Name both air carriers and the different equipment they respectively operate on each flight, the connecting airport and the en route stop made by the second flight. The first flight was not operated by JAL, Braniff International, Avianca or Varig, and the connection was not made at GRU, LIM or BOG. The equipment operated on the first flight was a DC-10.The second flight was operated by Aerolineas Argentinas with a 707....but the stop was not made at EZE, LPB or SCL.

Thinking of South American DC-10 operators that also served Los Angeles - there weren't very many. Aside from Varig, none come to mind. So, let's take a different tack and board a Pan Am DC-10 from LA over to Miami. Then we'll board that Aerolineas 707 and route through Bogota to Jujuy.
7. Correct! And I was wondering when someone was going to mention what I think was the preeminent gateway in the U.S. at the time for Latin America. As I've mentioned before, Miami was one of the most interesting airports in the U.S. if not the world back in the day with regard to the sheer number of air carriers from South America, Central America and the Caribbean that served the airport. Here are the scheds....

PA 874: Los Angeles (LAX) 12:25a - 8:00a Miami (MIA)
Freq: Saturdays only
Service classes: F/Y
Meal services: Snack following departure, Breakfast prior to arrival
Equip: DC-10

Connecting to.....

AR 367: Miami (MIA) 10:15a - 1:30p Bogota (BOG) 2:30p - 8:45p Jujuy (JUJ) 9:45p - 11:30p Buenos Aires (EZE)
Freq: Saturdays only
Service classes: F/Y
Meal services: Lunch MIA-BOG, Dinner BOG-JUJ
Equip: 707

Fast forward to 1993 and a BONUS QUESTION: What airline was serving Jujuy (JUJ) with the BAC One-Eleven at this time? ANSWERED

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Old Jul 7, 2020, 10:37 am
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Originally Posted by OskiBear
Perhaps the connecting city is in the US?
Let's try:
LAX-MIA on National Airlines DC10
MIA-BOG-JUJ on Aerolineas 707
You are definitely on the right track here as the connecting city was indeed Miami. However, as you can see above, Seat 2A beat you to the punch on this one. National was acquired by Pan Am early in 1980 and that's where the DC-10 equipment for the flight in question came from, of course. Prior to the PA-NA merger, National had also been operating a Saturday only red eye flight from LAX to MIA on basically the same departure and arrival schedule and Pan Am continued to operate this service which was still being flown in 1981 according to the OAG.
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Old Jul 7, 2020, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon
5. It's 1979. You've just attended a wonderful wedding in the Napa Valley wine country in northern California and now must journey to Fort Lauderdale in order to check out a sailboat that's for sail...er...sale. You've also found an early morning flight departing from the nearest airport to Napa Valley that has mainline jet service with this service operating daily and two stops being made en route. Name the airport you will be departing from, the airline, both stops and the aircraft. The flight in question did not depart from SMF, the airline wasn't United, stops were not made at DEN or ORD and the equipment wasn't a B727-100
5- given the first, the departure airport was Oakland (OAK); given the last, I think a 727-200 is highly probable

given both of those, I'll speculate the airline was Braniff and the stops were at Las Vegas (LAS) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW)

and with respect to Q7, I was about to posit PA with an ex-NA DC-10 operating LAX-JFK, connecting to the AR 707 that made the intermediate stop at MIA
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Originally Posted by jlemon

5. It's 1979. You've just attended a wonderful wedding in Napa Valley in northern California and now must journey to Fort Lauderdale in order to check out a sailboat that's for sail...er...sale. You've also found an early morning flight departing from the nearest airport to Napa that has mainline jet service with this service operating daily and two stops being made en route. Name the airport you will be departing from, the airline, both stops and the aircraft. This flight did not depart from SMF, wasn't operated by United, did not make stops at DEN or ORD, and wasn't operated with a B727-100. Hint: this was the only flight operated from the airport we are looking for by the air carrier in question at the time and would soon be discontinued as the airline had decided to cease all service from this airport.
Just one more to go here with a hint now added......and now ANSWERED.

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Originally Posted by jrl767
5- given the first, the departure airport was Oakland (OAK); given the last, I think a 727-200 is highly probable

given both of those, I'll speculate the airline was Braniff and the stops were at Las Vegas (LAS) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW)

and with respect to Q7, I was about to posit PA with an ex-NA DC-10 operating LAX-JFK, connecting to the AR 707 that made the intermediate stop at MIA
5. Correct! And I had just resubmitted this quiz item with a hint. Here's the sched.....

BN 702: Oakland (OAK) 6:30a - 7:35a Las Vegas (LAS) 8:00a - 12:10p Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) 1:00p - 4:20p Fort Lauderdale (FLL)
Freq: Daily
Service classes: F/Y
Meal services: Snack OAK-LAS, Lunch LAS-DFW, Lunch DFW-FLL
Equip: B727-200
Note: BN 702 discontinued effective Dec. 14, 1979

Following the discontinuation of this flight, Braniff International was once again only serving San Francisco (SFO) in the Bay Area with flights to South America including Bogota, Buenos Aires, Guyaquil, Lima, Quito, Rio de Janeiro, Santiago and Sao Paulo operated with Super DC-8-62 equipment with all services making an intermediate stop at LAX.
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And now on to Round Two.....

As always, please limit your response to two quiz items per day so that all may participate. And we are looking for decisive and complete answers here. This includes being as specific as possible concerning the aircraft model. Thanks!

Both of the following quiz items have a time line of the late winter of 1976....

21. You've just successfully completed a consulting project in Cleveland when the phone rings. "Hey buddy! I don't know what the weather is like in Cleveland (you look out of the window and it's snowing) but it sure is nice here in St. Thomas! The girls are here and we are just about ready to sail the catamaran over to Virgin Gorda in the BVI! Come on down!" Well, how can you refuse? It's a Friday afternoon and you quickly ascertain there is a direct weekend only flight departing from CLE the next morning to the Caribbean where you'll make an interesting connection. Your first flight will make one intermediate stop en route. You'll then have one and one-half hours to make your connection....and as you want to arrive directly into the St. Thomas harbor where the catamaran is moored, your second flight will be on board a seaplane which means you'll have to use ground transportation in the form of a reserved limo which will transport you from the airport you'll arrive into in the Caribbean to the local seaplane base. No problem! You've got this! So with all this in mind, identify the air carrier departing from Cleveland, the intermediate stop, the equipment operated on the first flight, the airport you'll arrive into in the Caribbean, the name of the seaplane base you'll depart from as well as the airline and seaplane type you'll fly on over to the St. Thomas seaplane base. ANSWERED

22. The sailing trip in the late winter of 1976 to Virgin Gorda was absolutely splendid and you're back in St. Thomas.....but now it's time to get back to work. And that means a flight to Boston. Fortunately, there's a daily direct flight from STT to BOS which makes two stops en route. Name the airline, both stops and the equipment.

The next two quiz items both have a time line of 1979.....

23. Braniff International had an agreement in place in 1979 concerning service from Aberdeen, Scotland operated by a UK-based air carrier with connections available in London to BN operated flights. Braniff was also offering free ground transportation between London Gatwick and London Heathrow in order to facilitate these connections. Identify the UK airline that was operating the flights from Aberdeen.

24. You're in Denver and need to travel to Washington, D.C. You would prefer to arrive into National Airport....however, there are no nonstop flights from DEN to DCA so that means you've booked a seat on a direct one stop flight. Name the air carrier, the stop and the aircraft. ANSWERED

25. If you wanted to fly into Rome on board a VFW-614 jet in 1980, you could do so but only once a week. This flight was actually operated by another air carrier on behalf of a larger airline. Identify the airline you would call, the air carrier that actually operated the flight and the airport in Europe that you would depart from on board the VFW-614 nonstop to Rome. ANSWERED

26. You're in Paris in 1980 and need to travel to Boston on a Thursday. You've found a flight which makes one stop that fits your schedule. Name the airport you will depart from in Paris, the airline, the stop and the equipment.

27. It's 1985 and you are in Montreal. You've been invited to conduct a business presentation in San Diego and have found a daily direct flight from YUL to SAN which makes two stops en route. Identify the air carrier, both stops and the aircraft.
It wasn't Delta, Republic, Eastern, USAir or Air Canada and stops were not made at LGA, DFW, DTW, PHX, BOS, MCI, PHL, PIT, YOW or YYZ. Aircraft was a B727-200.

28. Now it's 1986 and you are in Palm Springs. There's a meeting you need to attend in Chicago....but you also need to have a meeting first in Los Angeles where you will pick up some documents which you will then hand carry to Chicago. Surprisingly, you've found one airline that can get you from PSP to ORD via a connection at LAX. Your first flight will be nonstop and your second flight will make one stop en route with the same aircraft type being operated on both flights. You will also have a comfortable connecting time of just over two hours and 20 minutes at LAX which will facilitate your meeting at the airport as well as the document pickup. Name the air carrier, the stop made by the second flight and the equipment. ANSWERED

29. It's still 1986 and you are in Philadelphia. You've been invited to a golf tournament in Greenbrier, West Virginia. But how to get there by air? Ah, here's a direct flight operated three days a week with jet equipment which makes one stop en route. Identify the airline, the stop and the aircraft. ANSWERED

The next three quiz items have a time line of 1987.....

30. You are in Cedar Rapids and need to travel to Midland/Odessa. You've found a direct flight operated with a jet that operates daily and makes three stops en route. Name the air carrier, all three stops in order and the equipment.

31. Time to head back to Chicago on business. You are in Long Beach and need to depart in the late afternoon to Chicago O'Hare. There's a direct one stop flight from LGB that will arrive into ORD just after 11:00 pm and dinner will be served en route. Identify the airline, the stop and the aircraft. It wasn't United or Jet America, the stop was not made at ONT or DEN and the equipment wasn't a B767-200 or MD-80

32. This air carrier announced it would begin a daily shuttle operation in the fall of 1987 flown with mainline jet equipment from San Jose (SJC) to Los Angeles (LAX) with flights operating every hour on the hour from 7:30 am to 8:30 pm. Name the airline. It wasn't PSA, AirCal or American

The next three quiz items have a time line of 1989.....

33. You need to travel from New York City to Seattle. You would also prefer to depart from LaGuardia Airport. Thankfully, you're in no rush and have found an interesting flight which operates daily and makes three stops en route. Identify the air carrier, all three stops in order and the equipment.

34. It's 1989. You're in San Francisco and have a meeting to attend in Guatemala City. Ah, here's a daily flight from SFO to GUA which makes two stops en route. You book a seat in first class, of course. Name the airline, both stops and the aircraft. It wasn't Pan Am operating an A300 nor was the aircraft in question a wide body. The first stop was LAX. The second stop wasn't MEX.

35. The phone rings and guess who is on the line....."Buddy, it's time for my annual party at the house! Come on out!" This means you need to fly to Santa Barbara and your present location is Atlanta. You think a connection will need to be made but are then surprised to find a direct flight from ATL to SBA which makes two stops en route. Of course, you book a seat in first class. Identify the airline, both stops and the equipment.

36. In 1991, this airline ran a print ad with this heading: "We're expanding California's Intrastate." The air carrier in question was expanding its service in the state between two airports in southern California and three airports in northern California. Name the air carrier and all five airports. ANSWERED

37. It's 1991 and you are in Houston. You've been invited on a sailing excursion with good friends who currently have their sailboat moored at a marina located on San Andres Island in the Caribbean. One airline can get you there via a connecting service. You'll depart from IAH on a Saturday to your connecting airport on a flight which will make two stops en route. You'll then have one hour to connect to a nonstop flight to San Andres Island. The same aircraft type will be operated on both flights. Identify the air carrier, the two stops made by the first flight, the connecting city and the equipment. TAN SAHSA operating B737-200 equipment on both flights. Routing of the first flight was IAH - ___ - SAP - TGU. Still looking for the first stop which wasn't BZE, MGA, GUA, SAL or MID.

38. In 1992, this airline featured a business class section on a number of its Boeing 737-200 aircraft with a total of 30 business class seats in 2-2 configuration with ample legroom. Other B737-200 aircraft in its fleet were configured with all-economy cabins with 105 or 120 seats at this time. Name the air carrier.

39. If you wanted to fly into Twin Falls, Idaho (TWF) on board a Boeing 737-300 in 1993, what airline would you call and where would you depart from nonstop to TWF? ANSWERED

The next three quiz items have a time line of 1996......

40. What airline was operating nonstop Boeing 757-200 service to Alicante, Spain (ALC) from Luton International Airport (LTN) near London at this time? ANSWERED

41. If you wanted to fly nonstop from Delhi to London Heathrow on board a Boeing 767-300 at this time, you could do so on board a flight that was operated on a daily basis. Identify the air carrier that operated this service. ANSWERED

42. If you wanted to fly into Denver on board a Fokker 100 at this time, you could do so but this flight only operated three days a week. What airline would be flying with and where would you depart from nonstop to DEN? Mexicana de Aviacion with nonstop service from _________. It wasn't MTY.

43. You are in Los Angeles in 1997 and need to attend a meeting in New York City. The location of the meeting is very close to LaGuardia Airport so it would be great if you could fly directly into LGA. You've found a flight which indeed arrives into LaGuardia. The service operates on weekdays and makes two stops en route with breakfast and lunch being served. Identify the air carrier, both stops and the aircraft.

44. In 2000 this airline was operating an all business class type service from Las Vegas to Washington Dulles every weekday with one stop being made en route. Name the air carrier, the stop and the equipment.

45. Now it's 2001 and you once again need to travel from Los Angeles to New York City for a meeting near LaGuardia Airport. You've found a direct flight from LAX to LGA which makes one stop en route and operates daily except on Saturdays with lunch and dinner being served. Identify the airline, the stop and the aircraft.

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Old Jul 7, 2020, 2:22 pm
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The next three quiz items have a time line of 1996......

40. What airline was operating nonstop Boeing 757-200 service from Alicante, Spain (ALC) to Luton International Airport (LTN) near London at this time?

41. If you wanted to fly nonstop from Delhi to London Heathrow on board a Boeing 767-300 at this time, you could do so on board a flight that was operated on a daily basis. Identify the air carrier that operated this service.
40 - Monarch Airlines

41 - Air Canada
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40 - Monarch Airlines

41 - Air Canada
40. Correct! Here's the round trip sched....

ZB 024: London Luton (LTN) 14:45 - 18:05 Alicante (ALC)
Freq: Saturdays only
Service classes: C/Y
Equip: 757

ZB 025 Alicante (ALC) 19:05 - 20:05 London Luton (LTN)
Freq: Saturdays only
Service classes: C/Y
Equip: 757

Monarch was also operating flights with Airbus equipment (I think with the A320) between LTN and ALC at this time. And I wonder what the service was like in their business class cabin?

41. Please guess again, sir!
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BONUS QUESTION: What airline was serving Jujuy (JUJ) with the BAC One-Eleven at this time?

There weren't too many BAC -111 operators operating in this region. Trans-Brasil and Argentinean carrier Austral come to mind. I flew the latter in 2007 from Ushuaia to the Jorge Newbery Aeroparque but alas, the equipment was an MD-80. Had I flown that route back in 1980, it very well might have been operated with the One-Eleven. Same goes for service to Jujuy, which was not served by Trans-Brasil's eminently more colorful One-Elevens.
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1979....24. You're in Denver and need to travel to Washington, D.C. You would prefer to arrive into National Airport....however, there are no nonstop flights from DEN to DCA so that means you've booked a seat on a direct one stop flight. Name the air carrier, the stop and the aircraft.
24- this could be almost any airline ... let's start the conversation with Northwest, operating a 727-200 via Minneapolis (MSP)

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27. It's 1985 and you are in Montreal. You've been invited to conduct a business presentation in San Diego and have found a daily direct flight from YUL to SAN which makes two stops en route. Identify the air carrier, both stops and the aircraft.
27- again going with a less-likely option here: Delta via LaGuardia/LGA and Dallas/DFW, also on a 727-200
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