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Old Mar 21, 2020, 12:57 pm
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13. Correct! And I believe QANTAS was the only customer for the specific 707 model which the airline initially operated. I believe that Boeing removed ten feet from the Boeing 707-120 fuselage design, aft of the wing, to create the "short body" Boeing 707-138 for QANTAS.
I flew quite a few QF 707 flights in the mid-late '60s and had no idea there was a shorter version. When were the longe rregular-length fuselage models delivered to QF?
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 1:30 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
I flew quite a few QF 707 flights in the mid-late '60s and had no idea there was a shorter version. When were the longe rregular-length fuselage models delivered to QF?
from what I can easily find , the 707-338C fleet came on line starting in early 1965
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 4:21 pm
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21. (How many Vickers Vanguards made) 45
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 5:53 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
14. In 1967, this airline was operating high frequency nonstop service to Washington National (DCA) from New York LaGuardia (LGA) with a total of fifteen flights every weekday. Twelve of these flights were operated with one specific aircraft type and the other three flights were operated with another specific aircraft type. Identify the air carrier as well as both aircraft types and the number of flights operated by each type.
14- my immediate “of course!” guess (and the wrong one) was the Eastern Airlines Air-Shuttle, but on further recollection the only flight they might have run with an Electra was a 10pm departure from LGA (due to the DCA jet curfew)

I remember American’s BAC One-Eleven “400 Astrojet” was a frequent sight on this route, which certainly means that the other three trips featured a 727-23
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 6:00 pm
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21. (How many Vickers Vanguards made) 45
21. Close enough! I believe Vickers manufactured a total of 43 44 Vanguard aircraft and that the original operators were British European (BEA) and Trans-Canada (TCA). I also think TCA successor Air Canada operated the Vanguard up until 1971. I remember seeing the aircraft at Toronto (YYZ) that year.
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 6:16 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767
14- my immediate “of course!” guess (and the wrong one) was the Eastern Airlines Air-Shuttle, but on further recollection the only flight they might have run with an Electra was a 10pm departure from LGA (due to the DCA jet curfew)

I remember American’s BAC One-Eleven “400 Astrojet” was a frequent sight on this route, which certainly means that the other three trips featured a 727-23
14. Correct! The first flight of the day operated with a B727-23 departed LGA at 7:00 am and arrived at DCA at 7:56 am. The last flight of the day operated with a BAC One-Eleven series 400 departed LGA at 8:30 pm and arrived at DCA at 9:31 pm. American was also operating one flight a day with a 707 from EWR to IAD at this time.
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 6:16 pm
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1968. ... 15.From Philadelphia to Phoenix might just sound like a country and western song written and performed by Johnny Cash.....and it's also the two cities you need to fly between. Of course, this flight makes no less than five stops en route. Name the airline, all five stops in order and the equipment
15- well, it’s either American or TWA ... I’m gonna go with a TW Convair 880, with the stops being
  1. Pittsburgh (PIT)
  2. St Louis (STL)
  3. Tulsa (TUL)
  4. Oklahoma City (OKC)
  5. Albuquerque (ABQ)
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 6:28 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767
15- well, it’s either American or TWA ... I’m gonna go with a TW Convair 880, with the stops being
  1. Pittsburgh (PIT)
  2. St Louis (STL)
  3. Tulsa (TUL)
  4. Oklahoma City (OKC)
  5. Albuquerque (ABQ)
15. TWA operating a Convair 880 is correct; however, the flight in question did not stop at Pittsburgh, Tulsa or Oklahoma City. It did stop at St. Louis....but STL wasn't the second stop. And it also stopped at Albuquerque which was indeed the last stop.
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 7:14 pm
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15- I’m remembering that we recently talked about the TWA 880 at Amarillo, and I also recall some earlier Quiz questions involving it at Wichita ... those suggest this routing
  1. St Louis (STL)
  2. Kansas City (MKC)
  3. Wichita (ICT)
  4. Amarillo (AMA)
  5. Albuquerque (ABQ)
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 8:09 pm
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A little off topic

Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
Originally Posted by jrl767
Renault and Sud (Sud Est) Aviation SE.210 -- Caravelle
American Motors Corp (AMC, formerly Rambler) and Airspeed -- Ambassador
There is/was another manufacturer of a vehicle branded Ambassador.

The Renault Caravelle I only became aware of as there's one rotting away in the town where I live. Only one I've ever seen.
The infamous Hindustan Ambassador, based on a 1950's Morris Oxford
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustan_Ambassador

And Airspeed Oxford. 8751 made
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airspeed_Oxford

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21. (How many Vickers Vanguards made) 45
Many more Vanguards were made by Standard (UK)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Vanguard

Bristol Cars were a division on Bristol aircraft, so the same name understandable
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Cars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Aeroplane_Company

Armstrong :- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Siddeley
Produced the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstr...eley_Lancaster
AVRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Lancaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Lincoln and the Ford owned Lincoln brand

Jaguar (car) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPECAT_Jaguar

Dauphin/Dauphine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A...SA_360_Dauphin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Dauphine''

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Herald.
The Herald car is best not talked about. Not a high point of British car manufacturing/belligerent unions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Herald
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handley_Page_Dart_Herald

Spitfire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Spitfire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire

Catalina
Pontiac Catalina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Catalina
Consolidated PBY Catalina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_PBY_Catalina

Military aircraft seem to have more common names with cars
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 8:18 pm
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13. Name the first airline to operate the Boeing 707 that was not based in the U.S.
QANTAS comes immediately to mind, operating its 707 V-Jet.
13. Correct! And I believe QANTAS was the only customer for the specific 707 model which the airline initially operated. I believe that Boeing removed ten feet from the Boeing 707-120 fuselage design, aft of the wing, to create the "short body" Boeing 707-138 for QANTAS.
And QF's first B707 still exists in Qantas livery at https://qfom.com.au/about/qantas-fou...ft-collection/
Boeing 707 – 138 VH-XBA
This particular Boeing 707 – 138 – originally VH-EBA – was the first jet of thirteen 138 purchased by Qantas from Boeing and the very first civilian jet aircraft registered in Australia. The 707 replaced the propeller driven Super Constellations and practically halved the flying time on Qantas overseas routes. The new Boeing 707s were so fast they also introduced Australians to “jet lag” for the first time.

After serving with Qantas, the aircraft was operated by other airlines and private operators. After several years lying derelict at Southend Airport in the United Kingdom and about to be scrapped, it was purchased by Qantas Founders Museum and restored and flown to Longreach in June 2007 by a dedicated group of volunteers, mostly retired Qantas engineers.
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Roo tales--> https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/ro...as-jet-flying/
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 9:15 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
13. Correct! And I believe QANTAS was the only customer for the specific 707 model which the airline initially operated. I believe that Boeing removed ten feet from the Boeing 707-120 fuselage design, aft of the wing, to create the "short body" Boeing 707-138 for QANTAS.
Bonus Question: Name another airline that had a 707 uniquely built for it. What differentiated this aircraft from other 707s of the day?
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 10:05 pm
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Bonus Question: Name another airline that had a 707 uniquely built for it. What differentiated this aircraft from other 707s of the day?
I want to say this was Braniff, who ordered five 707-227s with higher-thrust JT4A-3 engines, intending to operate them from high-altitude South American airports

the first of the five crashed (Oct 1959) ~50 miles northeast of Seattle during a customer demonstration flight, killing four of the eight on board; the investigation revealed that the pilots exceeded bank angle limits during recovery from a Dutch roll test condition, and three of the four engines separated from the aircraft due to structural overload

as a result of the accident, Boeing added a large ventral fin and increased the height of the vertical stabilizer for greater lateral-directional control

this page shows both the original configuration (N7071 being the accident aircraft) and the as-delivered configuration (originally N7075; BWIA acquired from BN in 1971
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Old Mar 22, 2020, 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by jrl767
15. TWA Convair 880.....
  1. St Louis (STL)
  2. Kansas City (MKC)
  3. Wichita (ICT)
  4. Amarillo (AMA)
  5. Albuquerque (ABQ)
15. Yep, that's it. Here's the sched....

TW 451: Philadelphia (PHL) 6:30p - 7:33p St. Louis (STL) 8:05p - 8:54p Kansas City (MKC) 9:20p - 10:01p Wichita (ICT) 10:30p - 11:23p Amarillo (AMA) 11:50p - 11:41p Albuquerque (ABQ) 12:10a - 12:06a Phoenix (PHX)
Freq: Daily
Service classes: F/Y
Meal service: Dinner PHL-STL
Equip: CV880
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Old Mar 22, 2020, 10:22 am
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BTW, my very first car was a 1967 Triumph Spitfire.....British Racing Green, of course.

And we hope all is well with you, your family and your friends down there in the southern hemisphere, sir!
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