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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion

Old Feb 25, 20, 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
8. Swallow

I believe the bird depicted on China Eastern's tails is a swallow




12. Two airlines used waterfowl (name the type of birds too, one of the birds apparently had a name so give that name)

North Central/Republic immediately come to mind with the mallard on the tail, which dates back to Wisconsin Central Airlines. The bird's name was "Herman"

Canadian Airlines had a stylized Canadian goose in the tail if that counts
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Old Feb 26, 20, 7:42 am
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Not a quiz item but an old reminiscence is the subject of a BBC News article, the disappearing Solari Board departures indicator

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51470599

They were one of those things that fascinated the public, as they clatter round from one display to the next. The noise of them, especially if they are doing a complete restart that happened occasionally was notable, and would get everyone's attention to see what was going to come up.

There were two variants, airports liked the format with individual letters making up names and numbers, but there were also full flaps, which were commonly used to put up the name and coloured logo of the airline. At train stations in Britain and Europe this full word format was more common, with the various station names all running round.

Few however understood the complexity behind the scenes. They were real mechanical marvels, with innumerable bicycle-chain links behind the board connecting them to various electric motors. To minimise the number of motors required there were some clever sequencing devices and clutches connecting multiple windows to one motor. In fact, behind the scenes was fascinating, with walkways for the maintenance mechanic to get at all the parts, change the flaps, deal with jams and breakages, and otherwise maintain the mechanical side, all typically strewn with lubricating oil residue thrown off by the machinery. Apparently a competent Solari mechanic could name their own salary.

It needed a competent operator as well, working with punched cards (technology of the times) which were prepared and then inserted into the operating console, pull a handle and it would send electrical impulses to all the various bicycle-chain drives. The operator could prepare special or replacement punched cards on a typewriter-like device.

Solari, the manufacturer from Italy, no longer make them, but there are dealers who buy up old ones being replaced, and break them up to provide secondhand spares for those that remain.

I particularly like the one shown at the end of the BBC article in the TWA terminal at JFK, surrounded by a splendid piece of space-age artwork which must surely be by the hand of terminal overall designer Mr Eero Saarinen himself. Did Jet Blue keep it when they modernised the terminal ?
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Old Feb 26, 20, 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
particularly like the one shown at the end of the BBC article in the TWA terminal at JFK, surrounded by a splendid piece of space-age artwork which must surely be by the hand of terminal overall designer Mr Eero Saarinen himself. Did Jet Blue keep it when they modernised the terminal ?
The picture caption says that "the board has been recreated at a themed hotel at the airport" but probably just as a static work of art.
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Old Feb 26, 20, 8:07 pm
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I should have taken pix of it when I was at the TWA Hotel in Dec ... even though it was displaying entirely fictional flights, it was one of the highlights of the space ...
  • a lot of contemporary airlines that obviously weren’t extant in TW days (Azerbaijan and Caribbean come to mind)
  • a lot of services that were never operated by any airline (I seem to recall United to Juneau (!))
  • a lot of TW flights with completely erroneous info for the era (geek/FTer-specific knowledge, something like a 100-series flight number to somewhere in Europe; should have been 700/800/900-series)
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Old Feb 27, 20, 12:12 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post63. (Winter of 1975) Based solely upon schedules found in the North American OAG, identify the longest nonstop flight of a Lockheed L-188 Electra found therein.
This service was not flown north of the 49th parallel. It was not flown in the U.S. or the Caribbean either...

Hmmmm....not flown in the U.S. or the Caribbean but somewhere south of the 49th parallel in North America....

So time for a wild guess.....perhaps this was Nordair operating between Montreal Dorval (YUL) and Val D'Or (YVO).

Interesting, but no - here's a big hint: This flight stayed entirely within one country, but was not in the U.S. or Canada. Hmm...

BTW, Lady K and I are now back home following a big Mardi Gras weekend in New Orleans. Aside from experiencing absolute traffic gridlock in the downtown area (and we walked as much as possible in the French Quarter as our hotel was nearby), it was a truly wonderful experience to include music, dancing, excellent cuisine with superb wine and, of course, the parades.

I wish I could say my weekend was as fun but alas - instead of spending it at the aviation fair in Amsterdam, I spent it holed up in a Super 8 outside O'Hare suffering from the flu. And that First Class seat on a British Airways 787-9 into Phoenix instead became an aisle seat in the third row from the back aboard a Southwest 737. Sigh... On a positive note, it's 70 degrees and beautiful in the Valley of The Sun with more of the same forecast throughout the week. Tomorrow you'll find me 14 rows up above 1st base as my A's take on the San Diego Padres in spring training ball.

Ah, c'mon JL - it was a Mexican airline operating over a route well over 1500 miles long! Entonces, ¿quién era?
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Old Feb 27, 20, 12:20 am
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20. These two airlines (of the same country) featured a man with a raptor head dress

Well, I can think of one of them... Aeronaves de Mexico / AeroMexico

Still cogitating on the other....

Uh... AVIACSA (Not sure what that thing on his head is...)
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Old Feb 27, 20, 12:40 am
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
I should have taken pix of it when I was at the TWA Hotel in Dec ... even though it was displaying entirely fictional flights, it was one of the highlights of the space ...
  • a lot of contemporary airlines that obviously weren’t extant in TW days (Azerbaijan and Caribbean come to mind)
  • a lot of services that were never operated by any airline (I seem to recall United to Juneau (!))
  • a lot of TW flights with completely erroneous info for the era (geek/FTer-specific knowledge, something like a 100-series flight number to somewhere in Europe; should have been 700/800/900-series)
That's annoying to hear this. Airline geeks deserve better! Clearly the people who put the board together had neither care nor clue...
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Ah, c'mon JL - it was a Mexican airline operating over a route well over 1500 miles long! Entonces, ¿quién era?
Ah, I'm completely in the dark concerning this one. And I had no idea a Mexican-based air carrier operated the Electra in scheduled passenger service south of the U.S. border. In fact, the only Electra passenger service into old Mexico that I can recall was operated by Western out of southern California many years ago (LAX - SAN - MEX, I think). Other than that, there was an all-cargo airline (I believe it was Mex-Jet back around 2004) that operated the Electra in Mexico.

So Senor, I really.....just.....don't.....know.....
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Old Feb 27, 20, 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
20. These two airlines (of the same country) featured a man with a raptor head dress

Well, I can think of one of them... Aeronaves de Mexico / AeroMexico

Still cogitating on the other....

Uh... AVIACSA (Not sure what that thing on his head is...)


Feathered headdress the Aztecs (correct meso-american civilization?)
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Old Feb 29, 20, 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
63. (Winter of 1975) Based solely upon schedules found in the North American OAG, identify the longest nonstop flight of a Lockheed L-188 Electra found therein.
This service was not flown north of the 49th parallel. It was not flown in the U.S. or the Caribbean either...

Ah, I'm completely in the dark concerning this one. And I had no idea a Mexican-based air carrier operated the Electra in scheduled passenger service south of the U.S. border. In fact, the only Electra passenger service into old Mexico that I can recall was operated by Western out of southern California many years ago (LAX - SAN - MEX, I think). Other than that, there was an all-cargo airline (I believe it was Mex-Jet back around 2004) that operated the Electra in Mexico. So Senor, I really.....just.....don't.....know.....

This question is about as eclectic as it gets. Additionally, I find the 1,860 mile route flown (MID-TIJ) interesting by 1975 standards. Back then, most airlines would've made two or three stops along the way. Makes me wonder if this was a government subsidized route for purposes other than public transport. I've not been able to find much information about the airline (Aero Servicios de California) except for this picture:

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Aero...ectra/671865/L

Here are the schedules:

Aero Servicios de California YM 501 Tijuana (TIJ)1255a-645a B Merida (MID) Sat. only

Aero Servicios de California YM 500 Merida (MID) 600a-930a B Tijuana (TIJ) Mon only

For comparison purposes, Merida to Tijuana is 1860 miles. Anchorage to Adak is 1192. It's only another 400 miles out to Attu at the end of the Aleutians, so any nonstops out of Anchorage to destinations beyond Adak would not exceed the nonstop distance between Merida and Tijuana.
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Old Feb 29, 20, 1:29 pm
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Given the current lull in the action, I thought I'd post a few more questions here for your consideration. Additionally, I have listed what remain of YVR Cockroach's set. Please feel free to answer from any and all and as always please limit your response to no more than two questions per day so that all may participate. And of course, we are looking for complete answers here. Thanks!


40 . (1959) From San Diego you’ll continue on to Dallas, Texas. There’s a well-timed departure out of Lindbergh every Friday evening offering something called Royal Cavalier Service. Hmm. Sounds nice. Let’s book it. Identify the airline and aircraft you’ll be flying upon.

62 . (1959) You’re flying on a domestic propeller driven flight to Miami, Florida. The service could not be finer and you can even have a drink in a galley/bar equipped lounge after lunch. Only one flight fits the bill. Identify the airline and which city you’re flying into Miami from.

66. (1975) Per schedules posted in the North American OAG, what was the largest aircraft one could fly into St. Croix’s Alexander Hamilton International Airport during the winter of 1975? What airline operated it? Where did fly into STX from?
A N S W E R E D

67. (2001) It used to be that the Pittsburgh to Philadelphia market was dominated by Allegheny and TWA. In 2001 only two airlines served this route. Allegheny has long since morphed into US Airways and it is still a major presence on the route with 14 mostly daily flights. TWA no longer flies PIT-PHL. In its place is another airline that offers four daily flights. Identify that airline.

68 . (1959) Three airlines operate nonstop service between New York City and Mexico City. Each airline operates a different aircraft type on this route. One airline advertises that it offers the fastest service on this route. Identify each airline, the aircraft type each operates and which airline operates the fastest flight.

69. (1995) From your home in Reston, Virginia, the closest airport is Washington’s Dulles. You’re looking forward to visiting your brother down in Hollywood, Florida next month and are surprised to find that only one airline offers nonstop service from IAD to FLL, albeit with just a single daily flight. Right. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline and aircraft operating this flight.

70. (1965) For a small town,Amarillo, Texas is a hotbed of propliner activity. Four airlines serve AMA with propeller driven equipment. Three of them operate just one type into AMA while the fourth operates four different types. Identify each airline and the equipment each operates into Amarillo.

71. (MISC) What was the first airline in Latin America to operate the 747?
A N S W E R E D

72. (1965) You need to fly from Boston to San Diego and you need to do it as inexpensively as possible. To that end, you’ve booked yourself a flight aboard an all economy-class configured aircraft that leaves Boston late at night and makes three enroute stops before arriving in San Diego early in the morning. Identify the airline, aircraft type and the three enroute stops.

73. (2001) Three airlines offer nonstop service between Cancun and Los Angeles, but only one does so with wide bodied equipment. Yep, that’s the one you want. Identify the airline and the equipment.

74. (1975) It’s been years since you last flew out of the state of Vermont. In fact, the last time you left the state was aboard a bright yellow Northeast Airlines jet on a trip to Cleveland for Thanksgiving with Uncle Bernie and Aunt Elizabeth. This time you’re headed out to an electronics trade show in St. Louis. Rather surprisingly, you’ve found a direct flight that departs Burlington each morning and, after three enroute stops, will get you into St. Louis in the early afternoon. Name the airline, the three enroute stops in order and the aircraft type.

75. (1975) Not including flights to Hawaii, this is the longest nonstop flight in the North American OAG. Identify the airline, route and aircraft please…
A N S W E R E D

76 . (1959) You’re upcoming flight next week between San Diego and San Antonio is marketed as the “Silver Arrow” It’s actually an interchange flight with a change of airlines at the single enroute stop. Identify the two airlines involved the single enroute stop and the aircraft type.

77. (1995) You’ve had a great winter operating fishing charters off of San Jose del Cabo, Mexico. Now however, it’s time to return home to Chicago, just in time for opening day at Wrigley Field for your Chicago Cubs. You’ve found a connection involving two nonstop flights, each operated by different airlines utilizing MD80s. Surprisingly, the connecting city is not in California. Identify the two airlines involved and the connecting city.

78. (1965) This question is based upon schedules posted in a 1965 North American OAG. Outside of New York’s JFK, identify the only airport in the U.S. that was being served by two foreign built jetliners. Identify the airliners and the airline that operated them as well.
A N S W E R E D

79 . (1959) Although thisairline operated multiple nonstop flights between Atlanta and New York, one single daily flight was marketed as a V.I.P. flight. The flight featured filet mignon steak, Champagne, flowers for the ladies and even Dictaphone recorders on request. Name the airline and the aircraft type utilized on this flight.

80. (MISC) What was the first Asian airline to become an intercontinental carrier?

81 . (MISC) Identify the four different airlines that were the launch customers for Boeing’s 737-200, -300, -400 and -500
A N S W E R E D

82. (1975) Over the years you’ve had a love / hate relationship with Northwest Airlines. At present you’re not feeling overly charitable toward Mr. Nyrop’s airline, so when business requires you to fly between Miami and Minneapolis next week, you book a seat aboard the only direct flight not operated by NW. Unfortunately that flight makes three enroute stops. On a positive note however, dinner and a snack will be served along the way. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the three enroute stops.

83. (2001) Once upon a time there used to be a nonstop flight from Kahului, Maui to Chicago. Not anymore. These days the longest flight from Kahului to the mainland is a bit shorter. Identify the route, the airline that flies it and the aircraft type used.

84. (1965) You’ve heard about a great deal on a lightly used combine harvester for sale. Only problem is your farm is out in Eden Prairie, MN and the harvester is down in Sioux City, Iowa. Normally you’d just drive down to have a look at it but with everything going on this week there’s just no time so you’ll have to fly. Only one airline serves this market, offering three almost daily flights – one of them a nonstop. You book a seat on the nonstop. Name the airline and aircraft you’ll be flying upon.
A N S W E R E D

85. (MISC) Under what name did United brand its domestic and international Business Class in the mid-nineties?
A N S W E R E D

86. (1965) You’re off to Montreal next week to watch your son play his first game since being drafted by the Montreal Canadiens last year. From your home airport of Chicago O’Hare, you find there are two airlines offering nonstop flights to Montreal. Identify each airline and the aircraft it operates on the ORD-YUL route.
BOAC is not one of them

87. (1975) There are three nonstop flights operating between the state of Alaska and Canada – each one operating from a different Alaskan airport. Identify each of the Alaskan airports, the Canadian city served from each airport, and the airline that flies each respective route. (HINT) One airline serves two of these routes.
A N S W E R E D

88 . (1959) What was the westernmost airport served by Capitol Airlines? What type of equipment was used to serve this airport?
A N S W E R E D

89. (1965) Maybe it’s just your bad luck but you’ve had continually bad experiences with Trans-Canada and now Air Canada. For your upcoming trip from Montreal to Nassau, you decide to check out the other airline that offers nonstop service on this route. Identify that airline and the aircraft it operates on this route.

90. (MISC) This airline caused quite a controversy when it became the first in the world to charge passenger ticket prices based upon the weight of the passenger

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Airline logos and birds

Name the airline given the clue, as well as bird name where appropriate. Answers are not all inclusive as I am sure there are defunct airlines I don't remember (or never even saw one of the a/c, e.g., many U.S. airlines).

1. has long used a scavenger (name the specific bird too) - note another airline uses the name of the bird but not always the logo, and another airlines has started using this bird in its logo. Name these two other airlines.

2 name of the stylised raptor was part of the airline's name

3. eagle. At least one predecessor airline used an unnamed(?) bird. Name that predecessor. Note: Bird did not feature in any names (other than for a commuter brand - name that commuter brand too)

5. a real bird European explorers first thought could not possibly be real so there were in p....... (name the type of bird too)

7. stork

14. At least one airline of this country uses a mythological bird. Give the western and anglicized name of the bird too.

15. Two airlines use mythological birds. Name the birds and respective airlines (both bird names end with "a")

Other (winged) non-bird animals

18. Tiger (name two if not three airlines - all have a common lineage)
(partially answered - this one is for real old timers)

20. These two airlines (of the same country) featured a man with a raptor head dress
Partially answered (AeroMexico)


Bonus Questions

2. re: Question 18 above. One airline that is descended from two of the airlines and is parent to the other. It does not use a tiger but has a stylised and unnamed(?) bird. Name this airline

3. This airline and its descendant used a stylised bird logo. The name of the logo was also at least one of the two airline's ATC callsign and is used by the airlines' current incarnation. Name the two airlines and the logo's name

3A. Another airline merged with/into one of the airlines in question 3 used a winged lion as its logo. Name the airline

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Old Feb 29, 20, 2:21 pm
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81 . (MISC) Identify the four different airlines that were the launch customers for Boeing’s 737-200, -300, -400 and -500
200 = United
300 = US Air
400 = US Air
500 = Southwest
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71. (MISC) What was the first airline in Latin America to operate the 747?
Aerolineas Argentinas
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85. (MISC)
Under what name did United brand its domestic and international Business Class in the mid-nineties?
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84. (1965) You’ve heard about a great deal on a lightly used combine harvester for sale. Only problem is your farm is out in Eden Prairie, MN and the harvester is down in Sioux City, Iowa. Normally you’d just drive down to have a look at it but with everything going on this week there’s just no time so you’ll have to fly. Only one airline serves this market, offering three almost daily flights – one of them a nonstop. You book a seat on the nonstop. Name the airline and aircraft you’ll be flying upon.

88 . (1959) What was the westernmost airport served by Capitol Airlines? What type of equipment was used to serve this airport?
84. I'll guess Braniff International operating a BAC One-Eleven from Minneapolis/St. Paul nonstop to Sioux City.

88. I believe this was Minneapolis/St. Paul and the equipment was a Viscount.
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