YVR Cockroach

Time Air with a...DH-6?

jlemon

Yes, indeed, it was the mighty Twin Otter operated by Time Air with not one but two departures every weekday from the gigantic Red Deer Airport. Here are the complete southbound and northbound scheds....

KI 301: Grande Prairie (YQU) 7:00a - 8:30a Edmonton Industrial (YXD) 8:45a - 9:25a Red Deer (YQF) 9:30a - 10:00a Calgary (YYC)
Freq: Daily except Sat. & Sun.
Service class: Y
Equip: DTO

KI 314: Calgary (YYC) 12:15p - 12:45p Red Deer (YQF) 12:50p - 1:30p Edmonton Industrial (YXD) 1:45p - 3:15p Grande Prairie (YQU)
Freq: Daily except Sat. & Sun.
Service class: Y
Equip: DTO

YVR Cockroach

Wonder why the stop in Red Deer was for. Not at all remote and especially not very far to YYC or even YXD and the drive isn't difficult or challenging at all. And in that era, competing PWA was owned by the (conservative (lower case and upper case "c") provincial government so it wasn't a mandate.

I never saw Time Air operate the DHC-6, just Shorts and DHC-8s. Never logged a flight in DHC-2s, 3s and 6s though fortunately where I am, it isn't very difficult if I decide to.

jlemon

Time Air has an interesting history. They started out as small air carrier based in Lethbridge, Alberta founded by Walter Ross and took up the slack at YQL after Air Canada ceased operating Vickers Viscount service nonstop to Calgary and direct to Edmonton from Lethbridge. I believe they were also operating the Fairchild F-27 back in the mid 1970's besides the Twin Otter. The Short 330 was then added to their small fleet. Time Air then acquired several other small air carriers in western Canada. In 1981, Time Air reportedly started a Medicine Hat - Lethbridge - Kelowna - Vancouver route operated with a Dash 7. It appears that Pacific Western took a 40% stake in Time Air in 1983. I think other aircraft operated by Time Air included the Convair 580, Convair 640, Short 360, Swearingen Metro and Dash 8 series 100 and 300. The airline also operated Fokker F.28 jet equipment and at one point appears to have been one of the largest F.28 operators in the world. Time Air eventually became a Canadian Airlines Partner air carrier and I believe it was eventually completely taken over by Canadian Airlines and integrated into Canadian Regional Airlines.

Seat 2A

Hey gang - just a heads up. I am flying out of here on Thursday evening, then flying most of the day Friday from Seattle to Amsterdam. Let's try and finish off these questions by Thursday if possible. At that point, if any of you would care to submit some questions, please do. I will not get home until late February and will look forward to kickin' back and trying to solve your queries. In the meantime, I'll be at the Amsterdam Aviation Collector's Fair on Sunday, then flying from AMS to PHX via LHR where WHBM has kindly offered to drive out to Heathrow and meet up with me during my 2.5 hour layover. Then it's on to Arizona in First Class aboard BA's 787-9 after which I'll attend a couple of spring training Cactus League games with my Oakland A's (who have a decent chance to win the AL West this season, especially with the Astro's recent scandal having come to light.) So then, I look forward to your responses sooner than later.

I should also add that I've recently come across a large amount of old Airliner World magazines. My hope is to peruse them in the coming months and then come up with questions that are based more on airline and airport history as opposed to the schedule based questions that have thus far dominated this thread.

40 . (1959) From San Diego you’ll continue on to Dallas, Texas. There’s a well-timed departure out of Lindbergh every Friday evening offering something called Royal Cavalier Service. Hmm. Sounds nice. Let’s book it. Identify the airline and aircraft you’ll be flying upon.
It was not Delta or a DC-7. It is also a supplemental airline...

62 . (1959) You’re flying on a domestic flight to Miami, Florida. The service could not be finer and you can even have a drink in a galley equipped lounge after lunch. Only one flight fits the bill. Identify the airline and which city you’re flying into Miami from.
National 707 (via Pan Am) identified.
Bonus Question: Same parameters as above, but this time a propeller driven aircraft.

63. (Winter of 1975) Based solely upon schedules found in the North American OAG, identify the longest nonstop flight of a Lockheed L-188 Electra found therein.
This service was not flown north of the 49th parallel. It was not flown in the U.S. or the Caribbean either...

YVR Cockroach

Short filler quiz (apologies if it has been done before) until the next set of real questions.

Airline logos and birds

Name the airline given the clue, as well as bird name where appropriate. Answers are not all inclusive as I am sure there are defunct airlines I don't remember (or never even saw one of the a/c, e.g., many U.S. airlines).

1 has long used a scavenger (name the specific bird too) - note another airline uses the name of the bird but not always the logo, and another airlines has started using this bird in its logo. Name these two other airlines. answered


2 name of the stylised raptor was part of the airline's name

3. eagle. At least one predecessor airline used an unnamed(?) bird. Name that predecessor. Note: Bird did not feature in any names (other than for a commuter brand - name that commuter brand too) - partially answered



4. two airlines have a falcon as a logo - answered


5. a real bird European explorers first thought could not possibly be real so there were in p....... (name the type of bird too) answered


6. just a cartoon beak answered



7. stork answered
8. Swallow answered


9. swallows - answered



10. Bird that western explorers thought was impossible and an insect because of the way it flew. Name the airline's predecessor too answered


11.Two three airlines use cranes answered



12. Two airlines used waterfowl (name the type of birds too, one of the birds apparently had a name so give that name)
answered



13. This airline uses a mythological bird diety. Name the god too. answered



14. At least one airline of this country uses a mythological bird. Give the western and anglicised name of the bird too.

15. Two airlines use mythological birds. Name the birds and respective airlines (both bird names end with "a")

Other (winged) non-bird animals

16. Marsupial answered



17. Sea horse answered



18. Tiger (name two if not three airlines - all have a common lineage) (partially answered - this one is for real old timers)



19. Two airlines use antelopes (though only one is winged): name the airlines and the type of antelope answered



20. These two airlines (of the same country) featured a man with a raptor head dress answered



21. This engine manufacturer used an eagle as its engine logo answered




Bonus Questions

1. This airline has at least one special livery aircraft that features a cartoon character of human dressed as a predatory animal species responsible for killing billions of birds every year. Name the character too. answered



2. re: Question 18 above. One airline that is descended from two of the airlines and is parent to the other. It does not use a tiger but has a stylised and unnamed(?) bird. Name this airline answered
3. (modified) This airline and its descendants used a stylised bird logo. The name of the logo was also at least one of the two airline's ATC callsign and is used by the airlines' current incarnation. Name the two three airlines and the logo's name answered



3A. Another airline merged with/into one of the airlines in question 3 used a winged lion as its logo. Name the airline answered


4. Two airlines (one is actually a family of airlines) used winged lions, one is linked with the airline in question 3 answered

jrl767

these are **great** questions!

4- Eastern for sure (1950s/60s “Golden Falcon” service); I want to say Gulf Air as well
9- Ozark (three green stylized green swallows)

KT550

Pratt & Whitney "Dependable Engines"

KT550

Tiger airways
currently in Australia and Taiwan.
The Singapore operation merged into Scoot.

YVR Cockroach

4. I was thinking Gulf Air but will EA is an answer too. Never figured out if EA logo was a just a bird.
9. Ozark swallows are silver but they are multiple (3) swallows at any rate

Yep. Do they still have logos? Can't remember the last time I flew on a large (or any) jet with a P&W engines though.

1 right. Hint: the answer are 2nd and 3rd level predecessors

jrl767

two of the three in the logo on the aircraft are green (not my pic, but N4218 was my only flight on OZ)

any 727-100/200, 737-100/200, DC-9-10/20/30/40/50, MD-80; AC’s 767s (also AA, UA, TW among early customers)

WHBM

I remember a print ad in the late 1970s, probably when competition for 747 engines was starting. One side had a pastiche of the P&W logo, as close as could be got without breaching trademarks. It had the "Dependable Engines" bit in the outer circle, same font, but not the P&W name, and a different bird in the middle on the blue background, though nothing silly. The text above this read "Some manufacturers have to tell you that their engines are reliable". Above the right hand side was"With us, our name is sufficient".

Roll-Royce logo underneath.

YVR Cockroach

Question duly amended.(nevr saw an Ozark liveried plane in real life)



Any JT8D (or derivative) engine has been over 10 years for me. I think my earliest P-W memory is JT-3s on QF 707s, and then on various 747s. I think my last wide-body P-W-powered flights for sure were on NW (DC10, 742 and 744). Most recent (and common) would be turboprops (DH8s and ATRs). You just don't see the engine maker's logo displayed so much these days.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/6951499
QF 707 engine with QF V-jet and P-W logo

NW 744 with no engine maker logo

Toshbaf

17. Seahorse

Air France?

YVR Cockroach

Yes. Not on the tail fin but certainly on the fuselage