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Old Jan 28, 20, 6:45 pm
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Does Loftleidir's CL-44 to Keflavik from JFK count?
KEF wouldn't have appeared in the North American OAG
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Old Jan 28, 20, 7:25 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
Back to the bonus question I have heard of Brabazon in regard to places name around London but didn't realize the person was the air minister. And hadn't heard of Bristol-Sidderley.

Would that be Sir Otis Brabazon?

5. (1995) You’re flying from Minneapolis to Phoenix aboard the only airline that utilizes an all economy class cabin. All the other airlines serving the MSP-PHX route offer nonstop only flights. The airline you’re on is also the only one offering one-stop direct service. Identify the airline, the enroute stop and the aircraft type.

Sun Country, DEN, 727-200.

Given the point of embarkation, this is an excellent guess, YVR Unfortunately however, the airline we're looking for is not Sun Country. Additionally the aircraft involved is not a 727-200. Please, do guess again!

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Per Track: Does Loftleidir's CL-44 to Keflavik from JFK count?
Per Seat 2A: No
Per jrl767: KEF wouldn't have appeared in the North American OAG
Per Seat 2A: There ya go.
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We're off to a good start here, gang! Followingjlemon's lead with his questions, I am going to request that you please limit your response to no more than two questions per day so that all may participate. And as always, we are looking for complete answers here. Thanks!

P.S. I've added TEN new questions

2 . (1988) You’ve recently relocated to a new job in Ft. Myers, Florida and you now have your first travel assignment – a trip to San Diego. A check of your pocket flight guide reveals lots of connection possibilities, but what’s this? There’s a single direct flight that will put you into San Diego in perfect time for a late dinner with colleagues flying in from the Pacific Northwest. The flight makes three stops enroute, but hey – it sure beats connecting in Atlanta or Dallas. Name the airline, aircraft and the three enroute stops.

4. (1975) A good business opportunity has arisen in San Francisco, one that the whole world must be aware of based upon the fact that you can’t find a seat on any of the nonstop flights between Salt Lake and any of the Bay Area airports. But wait! Three seats are still available on a four stop direct flight into SFO that even includes a snack served enroute. Oh Boy! Identify the airline, the four enroute stops in order and of course the aircraft type.
It's neither United nor a 737-200

5. (1995) You’re flying from Minneapolis to Phoenix aboard the only airline that utilizes an all economy class cabin. All the other airlines serving the MSP-PHX route offer nonstop only flights. The airline you’re on is also the only one offering one-stop direct service. Identify the airline, the enroute stop and the aircraft type.
The airline is not Sun Country and the aircraft is not a 727-200

6. (1965) Your 20th high school reunion is coming up and you’ve decided to attend. The problem is, you went to school in Minneapolis and these days you live and work in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Hopefully your travel agent can find a way to get you up north quickly and easily. She calls back to inform you that rather surprisingly there’s a four stop direct flight departing CHA each morning that’ll get you into MSP in the early afternoon. No First Class is offered, but you decide to book anyway. Identify the airline, the four intermediate stops and of course, the aircraft type.

7. (MISC) Which airline in Europe was the first to operate the 737-200?
A N S W E R E D

8. (1965) Your Aunt Mildred is heading off to Mexico for a week and needs someone to housesit and look after her cats. She’ll even pay for your roundtrip airfare from your home in St. Louis to her home in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Well alrighty then! We’ve got a deal! It just so happens there’s one flight a day between STL and FSD and it makes three enroute stops. Name the airline, the aircraft and the three enroute stops.

9. (1995) In a perusal of the OAG preparatory to your flight from Phoenix to Las Vegas, you are surprised to find that only one airline operates flights with aircraft built in neighboring California. Identify that airline and the aircraft type it operates on the PHX-LAS route.

10 . (1959) Back in 1959, two airlines operated nonstop flights from Seattle to Fairbanks. Unfortunately for you, they’re all sold out on the weekend you need to travel. Thankfully, there are still three seats left on a three-stopper departing Sunday morning. It’ll take 8:45 to get to Fairbanks, but at least you won’t be faced with any long layovers. Name the airline, the three enroute stops in order and the aircraft type involved.

11 . (1988) You’ve just received an invitation for your granddaughter’s wedding, to be held in San Antonio, Texas late this spring. Normally you’d drive because you don’t like to fly – in fact it’s been 20 years since you last flew – but you’re getting up there in years and the drive to south Texas is a bit farther than you’d like these days. You call Continental airlines – the one you flew last time from Wichita to Texas – and are disappointed to hear that Continental no longer offers a direct flight to San Antonio. A second call to a local travel agent does however reveal a single daily direct flight out of Wichita that makes one enroute stop. You’ll take one seat, please. Identify the usual triumvirate – airline, aircraft and enroute stop.

12. (2001) Summer is not the best time to be visiting the Dominican Republic, but if you want a chance at winning the contract to supply air-conditioning for a new 310 room resort outside of Santo Domingo, then off you go. Logging in on your new laptop, you access aa.com only to discover that all of AA’s flights into SDQ are sold out in both First Class and Coach. What the – alright then, who else flies down there? I mean, outside of AA, there aren’t a lot of options these days. Imagine then your surprise and delight to discover another airline operating a single daily nonstop flight between Boston and Santo Domingo. Even American has never flown nonstop on this route. You quickly book a First Class seat. Identify the airline and the aircraft type operated here.

13. (1975) Four airlines offer 747 service into Las Vegas. Each airline offers a single flight, each from a different city. Identify each airline and the city its 747 flies to Las Vegas from.

14. (1975) Burbank, CA is well served by airlines operating smaller aircraft powered by just two or three engines. One airline however still serves Burbank exclusively with a four engine aircraft. Identify the airline, the aircraft type and the three airports it flies into Burbank from.

15 . (1988) In mid-1988, only two airlines were operating Lockheed’s L-1011 into Detroit’s Wayne County International Airport. Identify each airline and the city its L-1011 served Detroit from

16. (2001) It’s been an unusually hot summer in Dallas, so when business calls in the form of a weekend conference in Freeport, Bahamas, you couldn’t be happier. In fact, you’re positively ecstatic upon learning you won’t have to make a connection because there’s a one-stop direct flight between DFW and FPO. You quickly book yourself a seat in the forward cabin and start packing your bag. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.
It's not US Air or TWA, not a 737 or MD80 and the flight did not route via CLT or JFK

17 . (1988) Your daughter’s just completed her junior year at the University of Illinois. You all lived in nearby Joliet when she started school, but since then you’ve moved to Coral Gables, Florida. A call to your travel agent reveals a pleasant surprise – there’s a one stop direct flight from Champaign to nearby Miami International. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, aircraft and the single intermediate stop.

18 . (1959) Your little sister is finally getting married and you can’t wait to go to the wedding. Problem is, she’s getting married in San Francisco and you live outside of St. Louis, MO. This is gonna be an expensive trip. And a long one. You’ll probably have a couple of stops enroute. Imagine then your surprise when you discover an inexpensive flight operating nonstop between St. Louis and Oakland. It leaves St. Louis at 9:00pm, arriving Oakland at 1:25am so you’ll have to overnight at OAK and then catch the ferry across to San Francisco the next day. Identify the airline and aircraft operating this flight.

19. (1995) It used to be if you wanted to fly between Orange County and Sacramento, you’d call Air California. Now Air Cal is no more and a different airline serves the SNA-SMF route uniquely with five mostly daily flights. Identify that airline and the aircraft type it utilizes on all flights.

20. (MISC) The original Denver based Frontier Airlines filed for bankruptcy in 1986. The “new” Frontier Airlines – still Denver based – emerged in 1994 and commenced service from Denver to four cities for starters. Identify those four cities.
The four cities were not ABQ, LAS, BIL or PHX

22 . (1979) Your flight from Frankfurt to Washington IAD was delayed, causing you to miss your nonstop connecting flight to Las Vegas. Unfortunately, there are no more nonstops to Las Vegas out of Dulles this evening, but there is an online (same airline all the way through) connection featuring a single class aircraft connecting to a mixed configuration aircraft. Identify the airline, aircraft and the connecting city.
A N S W E R E D

23. (1995) Your Miami based company is hosting a weekend retreat next month for its best sales executives up the coast in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Hmm… getting there is gonna involve at least one connection, maybe two. Imagine then your surprise and delight to discover a four stop milk run. In 1995, no less – just like the good old days! You quickly book yourself a seat and select a window ahead of the wing. Name the airline, all of the enroute stops in order and the aircraft type.

24 . (1988) In the years since deregulation, a lot of airlines have offered nonstop service from Long Island’s Macarthur Airport to Florida. By mid-1988 however, only one airline still provides nonstop service from Florida into ISP. Identify the airline and the two Floridian cities served.

26. (MISC) What airline operates Europe’s largest fleet of Embraer jets?
A N S W E R E D

27. (1965) It’s early 1965 and you’re poised to take off aboard the longest and fastest propeller driven aircraft flying out of Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport. Identify the airline and aircraft type that you are flying upon.
A N S W E R E D

28. (1995) After a wonderful week of sun and fun sailing around the eastern Bahamas, you’ve docked at Freeport and now need to continue on by air to the Cayman Islands where a three day scuba charter awaits. There are of course no nonstop flights from Freeport to Grand Cayman but you have found a nicely timed connection that includes a flight aboard a turboprop connecting to a widebodied aircraft into Grand Cayman. Identify the two airlines involved, the equipment each operates and the connection city.
A N S W E R E D

29 . (1959) Flying between Hong Kong and Mexico City has always been quite an arduous journey, but by early 1959 things are definitely looking up. There’s now a direct two stop through flight, albeit with a change of aircraft enroute at the second stop. Identify the airline, the two enroute stops and the aircraft types involved.
A N S W E R E D

30. (2001) If you’re looking for a daily nonstop flight between Vancouver and Las Vegas, there’s only one airline to call. Identify the airline and aircraft type offering daily YVR-LAS service.31. (1975) Everybody knows about the big three gateway cities for travel from Texas into Mexico, i.e. Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. During the winter of 1975, there was however a fourth Texas gateway. Identify that city as well as the airline and the two Mexican destinations that were served from it.

32. (2001) Over the years, a number of different airlines have tried their hand at offering low cost single class nonstop service between Chicago (ORD, MDW) and Los Angeles (LAX). In mid-2001, just two airlines offer such flights – one out of Midway and one out of O’Hare. Identify each airline and the aircraft type it operates on its respective route.

33. (MISC) Many low cost airlines have come and gone in Canada over the past thirty years. Canjet, JetsGo, Air 2000, Tango, Zoom, Intair – the list goes on. At present, two Canadian airlines currently are considered ultra-low cost airlines (Sorry, Air Canad’s Rouge doesn’t count), much like the U.S.’s Spirit Airlines. Identify both of these airlines.
A N S W E R E D

34. (MISC) As you might imagine, Aeroflot was the launch customer for the TU-154. What was the first airline outside of Russia to fly the TU-154?
A N S W E R E D

35. (1965) You and your wife are off to the Windy City to attend your son’s graduation from DePaul University. From your home outside Elmira, New York you’re pleased to discover that there’s a single daily two stop direct flight departing Elmira each afternoon and arriving in Chicago in time for dinner with The Kid. Identify the airline, aircraft and the two enroute stops.

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Old Jan 28, 20, 8:10 pm
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29 . (1959) Flying between Hong Kong and Mexico City has always been quite an arduous journey, but by early 1959 things are definitely looking up. There’s now a direct two stop through flight, albeit with a change of aircraft enroute at the second stop. Identify the airline, the two enroute stops and the aircraft types involved.
29- I think Canadian Pacific got their DC-8s fairly early, but I don’t think the first deliveries were the long-range variety ... so the jet was probably on the last part of the operation from Vancouver (YVR) to Mexico City (MEX) ... the first part of the flight included a stop at Tokyo (TYO) and would have been operated by a Britannia
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29 . (1959) Flying between Hong Kong and Mexico City has always been quite an arduous journey, but by early 1959 things are definitely looking up. There’s now a direct two stop through flight, albeit with a change of aircraft enroute at the second stop. Identify the airline, the two enroute stops and the aircraft types involved.

I think Canadian Pacific got their DC-8s fairly early, but I don’t think the first deliveries were the long-range variety ... so the jet was probably on the last part of the operation from Vancouver (YVR) to Mexico City (MEX) ... the first part of the flight included a stop at Tokyo (TYO) and would have been operated by a Britannia

Well you're right about Canadian Pacific and the Britannia as far as Vancouver. Beyond that, we're missing an enroute stop as well as the correct aircraft type into Mexico City. This should be tap-in city for you, J...
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Wow!

4. (1975) A good business opportunity has arisen in San Francisco, one that the whole world must be aware of based upon the fact that you can’t find a seat on any of the nonstop flights between Salt Lake and any of the Bay Area airports. But wait! Three seats are still available on a four stop direct flight into SFO that even includes a snack served enroute. Oh Boy! Identify the airline, the four enroute stops in order and of course the aircraft type.

7. (MISC) Which airline in Europe was the first to operate the 737-200?

33. (MISC) Many low cost airlines have come and gone in Canada over the past thirty years. Canjet, JetsGo, Air 2000, Tango, Zoom, Intair – the list goes on. At present, two Canadian airlines currently are considered ultra-low cost airlines (Sorry, Air Canad’s Rouge doesn’t count), much like the U.S.’s Spirit Airlines. Identify both of these airlines.
4. United Airlines, Boeing 737-200. Salt Lake City - Ely - Elko - Reno - Sacramento - SFO (I do know there was a United 737 milk run which included Ely and Elko even if it is not the answer to this question)

7. Answer edited out because I now see 10 more questions were added.

33. Swoop, Sunwing
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Old Jan 29, 20, 1:26 am
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4. (1975) A good business opportunity has arisen in San Francisco, one that the whole world must be aware of based upon the fact that you can’t find a seat on any of the nonstop flights between Salt Lake and any of the Bay Area airports. But wait! Three seats are still available on a four stop direct flight into SFO that even includes a snack served enroute. Oh Boy! Identify the airline, the four enroute stops in order and of course the aircraft type.

United Airlines, Boeing 737-200. Salt Lake City - Ely - Elko - Reno - Sacramento - SFO (I do know there was a United 737 milk run which included Ely and Elko even if it is not the answer to this question)

There was a United routing like this, once with a leased Frontier Convair 580 and later with one of United's own 737s. However, while it was operating with a 580 in 1975, the flight didn't stop in Sacramento, i.e. just 3 stops. As such, we're looking for a different carrier operating a different aircraft type. Please guess again!

33. (MISC) Many low cost airlines have come and gone in Canada over the past thirty years. Canjet, JetsGo, Air 2000, Tango, Zoom, Intair – the list goes on. At present, two Canadian airlines currently are considered ultra-low cost airlines (Sorry, Air Canada’s Rouge doesn’t count), much like the U.S.’s Spirit Airlines. Identify both of these airlines.

Swoop, Sunwing

Swoop (The discount wing of WestJet) yes, but I'm thinking no on Sunwing. For starters, ULCCs (Ultra Low Cost Carriers) charge you for every single item above and beyond a basic seat. Sunwing allows free checked baggage up to 23 kg, a welcome glass of sparkling wine and a free carry-on (up to 5kg) plus one personal item. Discount carrier, yes. Per the question however, I don't think it qualifies as a ULCC. Additionally, there's the question of being able to purchase flights sold free and clear of vacation package travel. Check out their web site and try and book a flight only. It looks like you've gotta buy a package. I tried calling their 800 number but was unable to get through (I wasn't patient enough to wait). Anyway, for now at least I'm going to say no to Sunwing, especially if I find out tomorrow that they don't sell stand alone flights. They seem to be a vacation package outfit that has its own airplanes.

While wikipedia is hardly the end-all to solving this (See WHBM for that) here is its definition of an Ultra Low Cost Carrier

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-co...w-cost_carrier
BTW, Canada Jetlines does not yet operate flights

As such, for now we're looking for one more ultra-low-cost Canadian airline.
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Quite lovely! And I have the feeling there might just be a cozy little pub or two not too far away......
I only get up to that part of the country from time to time, but was about to recommend a place about 10 miles north, which should have fitted all the criteria, only to look it up and find it closed, like so many (in fact too many) traditional pubs nowadays. Such a shame. This was The Black Horse, in Giggleswick village. Here on Google Maps before it disappears from there.

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.0720...7i13312!8i6656
https://whatpub.com/pubs/SKI/GIGG-1-...el-giggleswick

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34. (MISC) As you might imagine, Aeroflot was the launch customer for the TU-154. What was the first airline outside of Russia to fly the TU-154?
I think Balkan was the first. The Eastern European airlines at the time, around 1970, carried very few passengers, just favoured diplomats and some state industry business travellers between one another's countries, and they had already stocked up with the smaller Tu134, many routes just running a couple of times a week. The long domestic city-to-city runs of the Soviet Union that the Tu154 suited were not present in their market.

Some of the first Balkan runs with them, however, were summertime holiday flights to various UK airports from the Bulgarian Black Sea holiday points of Bourgas and Varna. Up to four or five used to turn up each weekend, to points like Newcastle, Glasgow, East Midlands, Cardiff, and others. They had a strange operating pattern, they would do all the runs from Bourgas on Saturday, each aircraft managing two round trips in the day, then the whole lot would position overnight to Varna and do the same thing from there on Sunday. All the hotels in Bourgas changed over their holiday clients on Saturday, and all the ones in Varna on Sunday.

Something must have put CAAC in China off the Tu154 initially, leading to them buying Tridents from the UK instead.

Also in early days, a notable buyer was Egyptair. They got a big batch of eight all together, but during the initial training by Soviet crews had a crash which made them abandon the type and send them all back again, where they eventually entered service with Aeroflot. Egypt at the time bought a large number of military aircraft from the Soviets. I believe they did appear in printed timetables, but never actually made it into passenger service.

I always enjoyed my Tu154 trips, the more modern ones were notably pleasant to ride in.
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33. Flair is the other. Swoop was created in response to Flair surviving its first year. The similarities between Swoop and Scoot/TIger Air are remarkable.

29..I imagine the flight was HKG-HND-ANC-YVR/YVR-MEX?

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27. (1965) It’s early 1965 and you’re poised to take off aboard the longest and fastest propeller driven aircraft flying out of Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport. Identify the airline and aircraft type that you are flying upon.

28. (1995) After a wonderful week of sun and fun sailing around the eastern Bahamas, you’ve docked at Freeport and now need to continue on by air to the Cayman Islands where a three day scuba charter awaits. There are of course no nonstop flights from Freeport to Grand Cayman but you have found a nicely timed connection that includes a flight aboard a turboprop connecting to a widebodied aircraft into Grand Cayman. Identify the two airlines involved, the equipment each operates and the connection city.
27. I believe the Vickers Vanguard was slightly longer in length and had a higher cruising speed when compared with the Lockheed Electra. I also think Trans-Canada (TCA) introduced Vanguard service between Toronto and Chicago O'Hare. However, by 1965, I believe TCA had been renamed Air Canada. So let's go with AC and the Vanguard.

28. Good old Grand Cayman! A very pleasant place to visit which I highly recommend....at least when the island is not being affected by an earthquake (there was a undersea quake off the coast of Grand Cayman yesterday which shook things up a bit). But back to my answer....I've always suspected that American may have operated the A300-600R into GCM from MIA.....but I've never found any definitive proof. So instead let's fly with British Airways on board a DC-10-30 (which may have been formerly operated by British Caledonian) nonstop from Nassau. And one would have begun the journey on board a DHC-8 Dash 8 operated by Bahamasair from Freeport nonstop to Nassau.
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16. (2001) It’s been an unusually hot summer in Dallas, so when business calls in the form of a weekend conference in Freeport, Bahamas, you couldn’t be happier. In fact, you’re positively ecstatic upon learning you won’t have to make a connection because there’s a one-stop direct flight between DFW and FPO. You quickly book yourself a seat in the forward cabin and start packing your bag. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.
This one should be straightforward as relatively few airlines served Freeport, and even fewer with mainline service that would offer first class (and one stop service from Dallas). American had ATRs to MIA. CO had Beech 1900s to various destinations in Florida. I seem to recall US Airways had mainline here - shall we say a 737-300 via CLT?
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29 . (1959) Flying between Hong Kong and Mexico City has always been quite an arduous journey, but by early 1959 things are definitely looking up. There’s now a direct two stop through flight, albeit with a change of aircraft enroute at the second stop. Identify the airline, the two enroute stops and the aircraft types involved.
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I think Canadian Pacific got their DC-8s fairly early, but I don’t think the first deliveries were the long-range variety ... so the jet was probably on the last part of the operation from Vancouver (YVR) to Mexico City (MEX) ... the first part of the flight included a stop at Tokyo (TYO) and would have been operated by a Britannia
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Well you're right about Canadian Pacific and the Britannia as far as Vancouver. Beyond that, we're missing an enroute stop as well as the correct aircraft type into Mexico City. This should be tap-in city for you, J...
29- well, I actually did guess the stop between HKG and YVR, and since I don't recall CP operating either the Connie or the DC-7, the default for YVR-MEX would have to be a DC-6B
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20. (MISC) The original Denver based Frontier Airlines filed for bankruptcy in 1986. The “new” Frontier Airlines – still Denver based – emerged in 1994 and commenced service from Denver to four cities for starters. Identify those four cities.
20- I don't think this incarnation of Frontier initially went too very far afield from DEN; how about these four as an initial guess:
  1. Albuquerque (ABQ)
  2. Billings (BIL)
  3. Las Vegas (LAS)
  4. Phoenix (PHX)
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22. (1979) Your flight from Frankfurt to Washington IAD was delayed, causing you to miss your nonstop connecting flight to Las Vegas. Unfortunately, there are no more nonstops to Las Vegas out of Dulles this evening, but there is an online (same airline all the way through) connection featuring a single class aircraft connecting to a mixed configuration aircraft. Identify the airline, aircraft and the connecting city.
22- I know TWA operated some single-class 707-331Bs around this time (flew SFO-ORD on N28728 in 1981), and a JFK connection to an L-1011 certainly seems to be a realistic possibility ... there's something about a TW 707 doing a JFK-IAD-JFK turn that doesn't sit right with me, but I'll go with that for now
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