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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion

Old Jan 26, 20, 10:55 am
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf View Post
1. American, 757

2. CFM International (GE and SNECMA, now GE and Safran)
Bonus # 1: American was serving Fresno in 1996.....but not with the B757-200 (the AA DFW-FAT nonstop service at the time was being operated with MD-80 equipment). In fact, there was no 757 service into Fresno at this time so we are looking for another aircraft type operated by another airline.

Bonus # 2: Nope, the engine proposed for the Fokker F.28 Fellowship would have been manufactured by another company.
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Old Jan 26, 20, 11:14 am
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
55- last guess for the day: ORD-SLC-Reno(RNO)-Fresno(FAT)-LAX
55. Yep.....and the SLC - RNO - FAT - LAX routing had been previously operated by Western. Here's the Delta sched....

DL 1483: Chicago O'Hare (ORD) 3:10p - 5:19p Salt Lake City (SLC) 6:12p - 6:30p Reno (RNO) 6:55p - 7:42p Fresno (FAT) 8:10p - 9:06p Los Angeles (LAX)
Freq: Daily ORD-SLC, Daily except Sat. SLC-LAX (DL 1483 SLC-RNO-FAT-LAX operated with a B737-200 on Saturdays only)
Service classes: F/Y
Meal services: Snack ORD-SLC & SLC-RNO
Equip: B727-200

Delta Air Lines.....We Love To Fly And It Shows
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Old Jan 26, 20, 11:23 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post

And here are a couple of BONUS quiz items....

Bonus #1: Air21 was based in Fresno and in 1996 was operating all of its flights with the Rolls-Royce powered F.28 . Also in 1996, another airline was serving FAT with a Rolls-Royce powered jet aircraft.....but it wasn't an F.28. Name this R-R powered equipment and the air carrier that operated it into Fresno at this time. ANSWERED -America West Express operating the Fokker 70

Bonus #2: Another engine type manufactured by a different company was proposed for the Fokker F.28 Fellowship. However, in the end, Fokker went with the Rolls-Royce Spey. Identify the other jet engine manufacturer that was proposing its engine for the F.28. ANSWERED - The company was Bristol Siddeley in the UK
And both now ANSWERED......

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Old Jan 26, 20, 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post

Bonus #1 : Air21 was based in Fresno and operated all flights with the Rolls-Royce powered F.28. In 1996, another airline was serving FAT with a Rolls-Royce powered jet aircraft.....but it wasn't an F.28. Name this R-R powered equipment and the air carrier that operated it into Fresno at this time.

Bonus #2 : Another engine type manufactured by a different company was proposed for the Fokker F.28 Fellowship. However, in the end, Fokker went with the Rolls-Royce Spey. Identify the other jet engine manufacturer that was proposing its engine for the F.28.
Regarding my answer of CFM International for #2 , I see that my answer is incorrect because CFM proposed to re-engine the F28. In other words, existing planes would get new engines.

#1 . BAC One Eleven, Pacific Express
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Old Jan 26, 20, 12:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf View Post
Regarding my answer of CFM International for #2 , I see that my answer is incorrect because CFM proposed to re-engine the F28. In other words, existing planes would get new engines.

#1 . BAC One Eleven, Pacific Express
Bonus # 1: Ah, I believe Pacific Express ceased operations in 1984 and our time line here is 1996, of course. And the aircraft in question wasn't the BAC One-Eleven.

Bonus # 2: And with regard to the Fokker F.28 Fellowship, the engine manufacturer we are looking for would have produced engines for new build F.28s at the inception of the program. Thus, this wasn't a re-engine proposal.

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Old Jan 26, 20, 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
Bonus # 1: American was serving Fresno in 1996.....but not with the B757-200 (the AA DFW-FAT nonstop service at the time was being operated with MD-80 equipment). In fact, there was no 757 service into Fresno at this time so we are looking for another aircraft type operated by another airline.
The very closely-related F-100 or F-70? Since it wasn't AA and US's operations on the west coast had been mostly eliminated by this time, F70 operated by America West Express..
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Old Jan 26, 20, 1:11 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
The very closely-related F-100 or F-70? Since it wasn't AA and US's operations on the west coast had been mostly eliminated by this time, F70 operated by America West Express..
Bonus # 1: Correct! OAG schedules dated April and October of 1996 list three nonstop flights a day from Phoenix to Fresno operated with Fokker 70 equipment by America West Express (with one of these flights originating in exotic Des Moines).

I believe the Desert Sun division of Mesa Airlines was the actual operator of the F70 flights on behalf of America West. And as we have discussed in the past, America West Express was the only scheduled airline operator of the Rolls-Royce Tay powered F70 in the U.S.

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Old Jan 26, 20, 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
The very closely-related F-100 or F-70? Since it wasn't AA and US's operations on the west coast had been mostly eliminated by this time, F70 operated by America West Express..
I lived in the Golden Age of commercial airliners and was able to fly aboard planes like the F28-1000, F28-4000, F70, F100, One Eleven 500, 737-200QC, 747SP, L1011-500, DC-10-10, DC-10-30, DC-10-40, etc. I did miss the early part of what I call the Golden Age, thus missing the likes of the Comet, VC-10, Caravelle, etc. Furthermore, my record is not perfect, having missed the chance to fly aboard the Concorde, Mercure, and some others.

Now I am resigned to fly on 737's and A320's with little variety. When it's an A321neo, I am overjoyed at the change in the 737 and A320 routine.

The little kids of today may grow up not knowing anything beyond 737 and A320 for domestic and A350, 787, and 777 for international.
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Old Jan 26, 20, 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf View Post
I lived in the Golden Age of commercial airliners and was able to fly aboard planes like the F28-1000, F28-4000, F70, F100, One Eleven 500, 737-200QC, 747SP, L1011-500, DC-10-10, DC-10-30, DC-10-40, etc. I did miss the early part of what I call the Golden Age, thus missing the likes of the Comet, VC-10, Caravelle, etc. Furthermore, my record is not perfect, having missed the chance to fly aboard the Concorde, Mercure, and some others.

Now I am resigned to fly on 737's and A320's with little variety. When it's an A321neo, I am overjoyed at the change in the 737 and A320 routine.

The little kids of today may grow up not knowing anything beyond 737 and A320 for domestic and A350, 787, and 777 for international.
Ah, but one can still fly on board a B747-400 operated by British Airways.....

And in fact, there's a BA B747-400 nonstop flight from DFW to LHR departing this evening.
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Old Jan 26, 20, 1:46 pm
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Ah, but one can still fly on board a B747-400 operated by British Airways.....
I'm trying to see if in the next 5 years I can fill in the gaps, such as flying aboard a 737-600 (probably Westjet), 747-8i (probably Lufthansa), A380 (probably BA, LH, QF, SQ or NH) as well as aboard a 747-400, which I haven't been on in a decade.
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Old Jan 26, 20, 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf View Post
.......The little kids of today may grow up not knowing anything beyond 737 and A320 for domestic and A350, 787, and 777 for international.
And many pilots will never fly anything with more than two engines.
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Old Jan 26, 20, 2:19 pm
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Originally Posted by KT550 View Post
And many pilots will never fly anything with more than two engines.
Indeed....unless it's a three engine business jet such as the current Dassault Falcon 7X and 8X which both remain in production as well as the older Falcon 900 and Falcon 50.......
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Old Jan 26, 20, 2:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf View Post
.....Now I am resigned to fly on 737's and A320's with little variety. When it's an A321neo, I am overjoyed at the change in the 737 and A320 routine......
Likewise, I'll go out of my way to avoid A320s and 737s if I can.

2019's commercial flying wasn't all that exciting:
A320 family, 41.5%
B737NG, 24.6%
ATR 72, 6.1%
B737CL, 4.6%
B757, 4.6%
E190 family, 3%
AN-24, 3%
A350, BAe146, B744, CS300, DHC-8, MD80, SF340, 1.5% each
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Old Jan 26, 20, 2:54 pm
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There are some old Pan Am photos in this Business Insider article.......

Photos show the glory days of Pan Am, a symbol of a bygone era of luxurious air travel before the airline went bust 29 years ago

https://www.businessinsider.com/pan-...20-1?r=US&IR=T
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Bonus #2:
Another engine type manufactured by a different company was proposed for the Fokker F.28 Fellowship. However, in the end, Fokker went with the Rolls-Royce Spey. Identify the other jet engine manufacturer that was proposing its engine for the F.28.
I believe the F.28 originally looked at a proposal by Bristol Siddeley, which in the end was never built, and Rolls-Royce re-engineered the Spey in a cut-down version to suit the F.28 instead, called the Spey Junior. Shortly after this Rolls-Royce absorbed Bristol Siddeley anyway.

The merged company carried of for quite a long time, under the overall Rolls banner, with separate divisions, manufacturing plants, and names for the various engine families. Rolls jets were named after UK rivers, such as the Spey or Trent, meant to imply the smooth flow of a jet. B-S continued the Bristol tradition of classical names, the Proteus (Bristol Britannia) and Olympus (Concorde) came from the different design teams and assembly plant, located just across the main A38 road from the Bristol aircraft assembly plants.
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