Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
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17. Now you are in Albuquerque and need to travel to Sacramento for a dinner meeting. Hmmmm....there's no nonstop or direct service from ABQ to SMF. So you will have to make a connection with two different airlines being involved. Your first flight to the connecting city will be nonstop and you'll have just under one hour to make your connection to the second air carrier. Your second flight will make three stops en route. Identify the first airline, the equipment, the connecting city, the second airline, the three stops in order and the equipment, Hint: you will be flying on board two different aircraft types. The first airline wasn't TWA, the equipment wasn't a B727-100 and the connection wasn't made at PHX.The second airline was Hughes Airwest operating a DC9. The second flight did not stop at SJC or OAK and we are still looking for the connecting city.
ABQ-LAS, Frontier, 737
LAS-SAN-SNA-SFO-SMF, RW, DC9
Jan 6, 2020, 1:34 pm
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FL 77: Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) 7:10a - 7:48a Albuquerque (ABQ) 8:08a - 8:33a Las Vegas (LAS)
Freq: Daily except Sundays
Service class: S
Meal services: Snack DFW-ABQ, Breakfast ABQ-LAS
Equip: B737-200
This was Frontier's only flight from DFW to ABQ and from ABQ to LAS at this time.
However, the Hughes Airwest DC9 flight in question did not stop at SAN or SNA.....but the third stop was SFO.
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RW 260: Las Vegas (LAS) 9:30a - 10:24a Bakersfield (BFL) 10:33a - 11:01a Santa Barbara (SBA) 11:15a - 12:05p San Francisco (SFO) 12:30p - 1:03p Sacramento (SMF)
Freq: Daily
Service class: S LAS-BFL, K BFL-SMF
Meal service: None
Equip: DC9-10
BTW, Hughes Airwest was only flying one daily roundtrip with the DC9 between SBA and SFO at this time. They would soon exit the route. Meantime, United was operating three round trip flights a day between SBA and SFO with B727-100, B727-200 and B737-200 equipment at this same time.
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nine minutes gate time at BFL is an amazingly short stop ... in the old piston/turboprop days this might have involved leaving the #.2 engine running, but I can’t think of any airline’s jet operations that didn’t shut down all the engines (particularly on a jet where they probably used the tailcone stairway at small stations rather than bringing a stair truck to the front door)
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nine minutes gate time at BFL is an amazingly short stop ... in the old piston/turboprop days this might have involved leaving the #.2 engine running, but I can’t think of any airline’s jet operations that didn’t shut down all the engines (particularly on a jet where they probably used the tailcone stairway at small stations rather than bringing a stair truck to the front door)
And by Feb. 1, 1976, RW 260 had a turn time at BFL of ten minutes according to an OAG with that date.
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4. It's 1963 and you are in Toronto for the weekend. The phone rings and you are asked if you can be in Boston for a business dinner that same evening. You quickly ascertain there is flight that operates on Saturdays only from Toronto to Boston which makes one stop en route. You book a seat in first class. Identify the air carrier, the stop and the aircraft type.
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9. Your visit to Chicago-land has gone well and now it's time to head down to Orlando. So how about a good old fashioned milk run?! Ah, here's a flight which fits the bill and makes five stops en route. Name the airline, all five stops in order and the aircraft.
This sounds like Southern Airways, starting MDW-MEM. Beyond that, it's anybody's guess as to the routing. Assuming it is Southern, anybody better versed than I in such matters care to add their 2 cents?
10. Now you are in Kansas City. You once again need to attend a dinner meeting in Boston and have found a flight with an excellent schedule which makes two stops en route. Name the air carrier, both stops and the equipment.,
A variety of carriers fit the bill here. Let's start with the obvious, a TWA 727-100 routing MCI - STL - PIT - BOS
This sounds like Southern Airways, starting MDW-MEM. Beyond that, it's anybody's guess as to the routing. Assuming it is Southern, anybody better versed than I in such matters care to add their 2 cents?
10. Now you are in Kansas City. You once again need to attend a dinner meeting in Boston and have found a flight with an excellent schedule which makes two stops en route. Name the air carrier, both stops and the equipment.,
A variety of carriers fit the bill here. Let's start with the obvious, a TWA 727-100 routing MCI - STL - PIT - BOS
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4. Correct!
Here's the sched.....
AA 482: Toronto (YYZ) 12:15p - 1:50p New York Idlewild (IDL) 2:30p - 3:34p Boston (BOS)
Freq: Saturdays only
Service classes: F/T
Meal service: Lunch in F, cold buffet meal in T
Equip: Electra
Note: AA 482 op. YYZ-IDL daily except Saturdays
BTW, American was only operating the equivalent of one daily nonstop flight with the Electra from New York Idlewild to Boston at this time (the other Electra service flew a daily except Saturday schedule). All of AA's other flights from IDL to BOS were operated with DC-6 equipment back then.....and not all of those DC-6 flights were nonstop.
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9. Your visit to Chicago-land has gone well and now it's time to head down to Orlando. So how about a good old fashioned milk run?! Ah, here's a flight which fits the bill and makes five stops en route. Name the airline, all five stops in order and the aircraft.
This sounds like Southern Airways, starting MDW-MEM. Beyond that, it's anybody's guess as to the routing. Assuming it is Southern, anybody better versed than I in such matters care to add their 2 cents?
10. Now you are in Kansas City. You once again need to attend a dinner meeting in Boston and have found a flight with an excellent schedule which makes two stops en route. Name the air carrier, both stops and the equipment.,
A variety of carriers fit the bill here. Let's start with the obvious, a TWA 727-100 routing MCI - STL - PIT - BOS
This sounds like Southern Airways, starting MDW-MEM. Beyond that, it's anybody's guess as to the routing. Assuming it is Southern, anybody better versed than I in such matters care to add their 2 cents?
10. Now you are in Kansas City. You once again need to attend a dinner meeting in Boston and have found a flight with an excellent schedule which makes two stops en route. Name the air carrier, both stops and the equipment.,
A variety of carriers fit the bill here. Let's start with the obvious, a TWA 727-100 routing MCI - STL - PIT - BOS
10. Nope, it wasn't TWA, the equipment wasn't a B727-100 and stops were not made at St. Louis or Pittsburgh.
Please guess again, sir!
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AA 482: Toronto (YYZ) 12:15p - 1:50p New York Idlewild (IDL) 2:30p - 3:34p Boston (BOS)
Freq: Saturdays only
Service classes: F/T
BTW, American was only operating the equivalent of one daily nonstop flight with the Electra from New York Idlewild to Boston at this time (the other Electra service flew a daily except Saturday schedule). All of AA's other flights from IDL to BOS were operated with DC-6 equipment back then.....and not all of those DC-6 flights were nonstop.
Freq: Saturdays only
Service classes: F/T
BTW, American was only operating the equivalent of one daily nonstop flight with the Electra from New York Idlewild to Boston at this time (the other Electra service flew a daily except Saturday schedule). All of AA's other flights from IDL to BOS were operated with DC-6 equipment back then.....and not all of those DC-6 flights were nonstop.
Trans Canada also had to go to Idlewild from Toronto and Montreal, which is how they got together with their partner of the era, BOAC, to build the current Terminal 7 at JFK, at a time when BOAC had many flights going south to the Caribbean etc, plus west to Asia. Once preclearance came along, however, and American shifted to La Guardia, Air Canada eventually had to do likewise
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9. Your visit to Chicago-land has gone well and now it's time to head down to Orlando. So how about a good old fashioned milk run?! Ah, here's a flight which fits the bill and makes five stops en route. Name the airline, all five stops in order and the aircraft. It wasn't Southern, the flight did not originate at MDW and MEM wasn't the first stop
1975......
16.You're in Burbank but not in southern California. So that means you are in Burbank, Illinois where the weather has been downright nasty with freezing rain and snow. So how about a getaway to warm and sunny Jamaica, mon?! And how about an itinerary which includes a milk run flight as well? Plus you'll also make a conection with two different airlines being involved with each air carrier operating its respective flight with the same aircraft type. Your first flight will depart from the closest airport to Burbank, IL and will make four stops en route. Your second flight will operate nonstop from the connecting city to Kingston, Jamaica. Name the airport you will depart from, the first air carrier, all four stops in order, the connecting city, the second air carrier, and the equipment.
16.You're in Burbank but not in southern California. So that means you are in Burbank, Illinois where the weather has been downright nasty with freezing rain and snow. So how about a getaway to warm and sunny Jamaica, mon?! And how about an itinerary which includes a milk run flight as well? Plus you'll also make a conection with two different airlines being involved with each air carrier operating its respective flight with the same aircraft type. Your first flight will depart from the closest airport to Burbank, IL and will make four stops en route. Your second flight will operate nonstop from the connecting city to Kingston, Jamaica. Name the airport you will depart from, the first air carrier, all four stops in order, the connecting city, the second air carrier, and the equipment.
this one might have started with the SO DC9 out of MDW, connecting in Miami (MIA) to ALM; three stops between MEM and MCO might have been Birmingham (BHM), Pensacola (PNS), and Tallahassee (TLH)
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16. Well, I had a feeling you might pick up on that.....as Southern operating a DC9-10 departing Chicago Midway is correct!
And I think you actually meant MIA instead of MCO when you stated the "three stops between MEM and MCO", right? As for those three stops, the SO flight in question did not stop in Birmingham (the one in Alabama) or Pensacola (the one next to Alabama) but did stop in Tallahassee (the one in Florida).
And ALM is correct as well! Here's that sched......
LM 972: Miami (MIA) 3:05p - 4:35p Kingston (KIN)
Freq: Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays only
Equip: DC9
Note: LM 972 continued south from KIN to the ABC islands, of course