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Old Nov 27, 19, 9:25 am
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Well, nothing quite so dramatic here in the LFT area, weather-wise, as we roll into the long Thanksgiving weekend in the U.S., although we did have a cool front sweep through our region around dawn this morning with over two inches of rain along with a bit of lightning and thunder.....but no severe weather or flooding, thank goodness.

And I do have a new set of quiz items waiting in the wings once jrl767 concludes his current set. So with that, let me wish everyone a safe and happy Thanksgiving as well!
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Old Nov 27, 19, 9:54 am
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it's clear and beautiful in the Pacific Northwest for the next few days
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And I do have a new set of quiz items waiting in the wings once jrl767 concludes his current set. So with that, let me wish everyone a safe and happy Thanksgiving as well!
well, "conclude" kind of depends on some guesses for the remaining four itineraries from summer 1983 ...
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Old Nov 27, 19, 5:47 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
it's clear and beautiful in the Pacific Northwest for the next few days
And cold. Used ~40 KWh yesterday for heating.

well, "conclude" kind of depends on some guesses for the remaining four itineraries from summer 1983 ...
Any further hints?
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Old Nov 27, 19, 6:09 pm
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well, I recently gave a couple of “Hold that thought” responses (one to you regarding a jet, and one to Toshbaf regarding an airline), as well as recently mentioning that there’s one turboprop among the 17 legs in play ...

so here is a multi-hint: the one-stop flights on Itineraries 5, 6, and 8 are twin-engine jets

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Old Nov 29, 19, 10:36 am
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So, somewhere in there, is a VIASA flight and a 747SP. I can't imagine the latter belonged to ZA, especially now that the stop flights are 2 engine..
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Old Nov 29, 19, 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
So, somewhere in there, is a VIASA flight and a 747SP. I can't imagine the latter belonged to ZA, especially now that the stop flights are 2 engine..
that presumption would be correct

and here are additional hints:
  • there are actually two 74L flights, each on a different carrier
  • neither appears in the same itinerary as the VA leg

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Old Nov 29, 19, 9:31 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
all flights are in the summer of 1983

5- Hartford beckons next. You’ll need to be there no later than Tuesday morning, but the company won’t spring for the Concorde from Heathrow to JFK on Monday (which would allow you a civilized departure from BEY around noon). Virtually all the schedules out of Beirut force you to overnight in Europe on Sunday, which is an equally unpleasant option. After some digging, though, you find a way to make it work without either an extra hotel stay or a redeye departure: three flights (the first with an unpublished technical stop), three airlines, three different aircraft types. There are actually two options for the second leg, each on a different carrier and each with a different jet; while you recognize the name of one of the airlines, you’ve never heard of the other, but a little investigation reveals the interesting lineage behind its familiar two-letter designator.

5A- BEY– XXX, stop at AAA
5B- XXX – YYY
5C- YYY – BDL

Difficult but here goes....

5A-BEY-LCA (Larnaca)-ATH (Elliniko, now closed), MEA, Sud Caravelle
5B-ATH-JFK, TWA, Boeing 747-100
5C-JFK-BEY, Pan Am / Ransome, deHavilland Canada Dash 7

uncertain if LCA was a stop but that is my answer
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Old Nov 30, 19, 12:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf View Post
Difficult but here goes....

5A-BEY-LCA (Larnaca)-ATH (Elliniko, now closed), MEA, Sud Caravelle
5B-ATH-JFK, TWA, Boeing 747-100
5C-JFK-BEY, Pan Am / Ransome, deHavilland Canada Dash 7

uncertain if LCA was a stop but that is my answer
I could never figure out any reasons for an unpublished stop, unless it was a technical refuelling or something political. Was wondering if it was a ZA CPT-JFK with a stop in Cape Verde but not too many non-stop flights between BEY and CPT/JNB in the era (or now, since or before), and ZA didn't have any TATL twin jets anyway. Other possibility I thought of was 5A ME BEY-ECN-IST (now ISL), then 5B TK but not sure/doubt if TK was a long-haul flyer then that it is today.
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Old Nov 30, 19, 7:54 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
all flights are in the summer of 1983

8- Well now! Your next assignment will take you somewhere you’ve not yet been … Abidjan, Ivory Coast (Cote d'Ivoire). The first orders of business will commence on Monday, so you’ll need to arrive on Sunday. You have Friday dinner reservations in Albuquerque, so you won't be able to depart until Saturday morning; yes, there’s a direct Air Afrique flight departing JFK that evening, but where’s the fun in that? What to do, what to do? How about a very roundabout itinerary, involving six flights on four airlines, with three different aircraft types; the fifth flight makes an enroute stop.

8A- ABQ – XXX
8B- XXX – YYY
8C- YYY – ZZZ
8D- ZZZ – AAA
8E- AAA – BBB, stop at CCC
8F- BBB – ABJ
Wild, wild stab in the dark

8A HP ABQ-LAX 737-200
8B China Airlines LAX-TPE 747-200
8C Singapore Airlines TPE-SIN 747-200
8D SQ SIN-BAH 747-200
8E Air France BAH-AUH-CDG A300
8F Air France CDG-ABJ A300
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Old Dec 2, 19, 12:10 am
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf View Post
Difficult but here goes....

5A-BEY-LCA (Larnaca)-ATH (Elliniko, now closed), MEA, Sud Caravelle
5B-ATH-JFK, TWA, Boeing 747-100
5C-JFK-BEY, Pan Am / Ransome, deHavilland Canada Dash 7

uncertain if LCA was a stop but that is my answer
well, this is a very good start!

5A: LCA incorrect, ATH partially correct (it was the technical stop), ME incorrect, CRV incorrect
5B: JFK correct, TW incorrect, 747 partially correct (still need the second type)
5C: PA correct, DH7 incorrect

Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
I could never figure out any reasons for an unpublished stop, unless it was a technical refuelling or something political.
I think most of these “unpublished stops” were indeed for refueling purposes, as they were generally where there were no negotiated traffic (i.e., fifth freedom) rights
Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
Was wondering if it was a ZA CPT-JFK with a stop in Cape Verde but not too many non-stop flights between BEY and CPT/JNB in the era (or now, since or before), and ZA didn't have any TATL twin jets anyway. Other possibility I thought of was 5A ME BEY-ECN-IST (now ISL), then 5B TK but not sure/doubt if TK was a long-haul flyer then that it is today.
VERY interesting possibilities here

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Old Dec 2, 19, 12:29 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
Wild, wild stab in the dark

8A HP ABQ-LAX 737-200
8B China Airlines LAX-TPE 747-200
8C Singapore Airlines TPE-SIN 747-200
8D SQ SIN-BAH 747-200
8E Air France BAH-AUH-CDG A300
8F Air France CDG-ABJ A300
as before, you're advancing some VERY interesting possibilities here!

8A- LAX incorrect, HP incorrect, 737 partially correct
8B- TPE incorrect, CI incorrect, 747 incorrect (CI actually operated a 747SP on this route)
8C- SIN incorrect, SQ incorrect, 747 incorrect
8D- BAH incorrect, SQ incorrect, 747 incorrect
8E- AUH incorrect, CDG incorrect, AF incorrect, AB3 incorrect
8F- AF incorrect, AB3 incorrect

a few hints:
  • legs 8B, 8C, and 8D were indeed operated by the same aircraft type
  • legs 8C and 8D were operated by different airlines
  • the intermediate stop on leg 8E was on an island
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Old Dec 3, 19, 6:20 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
as before, you're advancing some VERY interesting possibilities here!

8A- LAX incorrect, HP incorrect, 737 partially correct
8B- TPE incorrect, CI incorrect, 747 incorrect (CI actually operated a 747SP on this route)
8C- SIN incorrect, SQ incorrect, 747 incorrect
8D- BAH incorrect, SQ incorrect, 747 incorrect
8E- AUH incorrect, CDG incorrect, AF incorrect, AB3 incorrect
8F- AF incorrect, AB3 incorrect

a few hints:
  • legs 8B, 8C, and 8D were indeed operated by the same aircraft type
The fact that 8B, 8C and 8D used the same a/c type leads me to believe these legs were all in North and/or Central America and perhaps the northern bit of South America. I can't think of 3 consecutive legs operated by DC-10s and L-1011s (or perhaps DC8s and 707s, or >2 engine Russian equipment. Not many airlines used twin engines to cross the ocean in that era (AF using a A31 was one but since AF has been ruled out....). If VIASA fits into this, I don't know if it used twin engine equipment across the Atlantic.
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Old Dec 3, 19, 9:23 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
The fact that 8B, 8C and 8D used the same a/c type leads me to believe these legs were all in North and/or Central America and perhaps the northern bit of South America. I can't think of 3 consecutive legs operated by DC-10s and L-1011s (or perhaps DC8s and 707s, or >2 engine Russian equipment.
you are on the right track here

8B, 8C, 8D: D10 is correct
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Not many airlines used twin engines to cross the ocean in that era (AF using a A31 was one but since AF has been ruled out....). If VIASA fits into this, I don't know if it used twin engine equipment across the Atlantic.
and here as well

VA on the TATL leg is correct
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Old Dec 3, 19, 10:03 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
you are on the right track here

8B, 8C, 8D: D10 is correct
and here as well

VA on the TATL leg is correct


Let's try

8A CO 737-100 ABQ-DENx
8B UA DC10-10 DENx-MIA
8C PA DC10-30 MIA-CCS
8D VA DC-10-30 CCS-MAD
8E Iberia DC-9 MAD - TFS - LPA
8F Air Afrique A300 LPA-ABJ

I'll admit 8F is highly improbable but an island stop for 8E has me stumped.
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Old Dec 3, 19, 10:22 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
Let's try

8A CO 737-100 ABQ-DENx
8B UA DC10-10 DENx-MIA
8C PA DC10-30 MIA-CCS
8D VA DC-10-30 CCS-MAD
8E Iberia DC-9 MAD - TFS - LPA
8F Air Afrique A300 LPA-ABJ

I'll admit 8F is highly improbable but an island stop for 8E has me stumped.
^^^^
I thought this would be more of a stumper

8A- CO incorrect, DEN incorrect, 737 partially correct
8B- UA incorrect, MIA correct, D10 correct
8C- PA correct, CCS correct, D10 correct
8D- VA correct, MAD incorrect, D10 correct
8E- IB partially correct, TFS incorrect, LPA correct, DC9 incorrect
8F- RK incorrect, AB3 incorrect

CORRECTION- we are looking for five airlines and three aircraft types

NOTE- not distinguishing between DC-10-10 and -30
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