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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion

Old Oct 27, 19, 9:09 am
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
On Saturday I'll board an A321-Neo LR operated by Air Transat - my 202nd airline flown. (Maybe I'll catch up with KT550 one of these days!)
Air Transat A321s are regular here at LGW now on their daily flight from Toronto, replacing A310s that are being phased out.
I should have flown TS last winter for one last trip in an A310 but never got round to it.

Today is the first day of the winter schedules (our clocks went back one hour this morning).
Gatwick welcomed a new airline today, Jazeera Airways from Kuwait with an A320 neo. Doesn't sound like a fun way to spend 6+ hours.

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Old Oct 27, 19, 10:02 pm
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On Sunday I'll settle into a comfy berth aboard ViaRail's famous streamliner The Canadian for the four day journey across Canada to Vancouver, there to board a Club Class mini-suite aboard the Star Princess for the three day cruise down the coast to LA.!
Guess you're all aboard and chugging along the north shore of Superior right now. Hope you have left enough slack for the train to get to Vancouver (not winter yet so odds are good). Rode the Star Princess up from San Pedro 3 1/2 years ago (connecting from this trip) just around the 10th anniversary of the fire that torched a huge portion of the ship. We were in a verandah cabin just forward of the port portion of the torched part.



Presumably you'll have a balcony. The sprinklers were added above the balconies in the aftermath of the fire. Remarkably, the ship was back in service within 7 weeks, including getting the ship to Germany for repairs.

Great fare of C$686 for 2 (4 nts - day stop in Victoria). Hard to get up from Los Angeles by air for that much.

I'd wave at you as the ship passes Esquimalt but it'll be dark and you'll probably be having dinner anyway.

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Old Oct 31, 19, 11:37 am
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
I'd wave at you as the ship passes Esquimalt but it'll be dark and you'll probably be having dinner anyway.
I had to look up Esquimalt and yeah, I'd say unless Princess has upgraded the engines on the Star Princess to achieve speeds akin to the Norwegian navy's Skjold-class corvettes (60 kts), I won't be waving at you if we pass Esquimalt.

This'll be my first cruise - I'm definitely looking forward to the mini-suite life. Hope the weather enroute warrants some balcony time.

I'll be joined on this cruise by fellow FTer fti who just happened to be in the area and apparently has some Princess perks from past employment with them.

I also look forward to coming up with a new batch of questions upon my return later this year.

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Old Oct 31, 19, 12:45 pm
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I had to look up Esquimalt and yeah, I'd say unless Princess has upgraded the engines on the Star Princess to achieve speeds akin to the Norwegian navy's Skjold-class corvettes (60 kts), I won't be waving at you if we pass Esquimalt.

This'll be my first cruise - I'm definitely looking forward to the mini-suite life. Hope the weather enroute warrants some balcony time.
Enjoy. Pretend it's an ocean liner and you're travelling down the coast like how it was done well within a lifetime for some (though probably not in yours or mine). Other than no free booze (you pay for it if it's included), more comfortable than first class travel for long hauls and can be had for a lot, lot less too. Don't remember if you drink but you're allowed to _carry_ on (as in, not in checked bags) a (standard) bottle of wine per person, maximum of 2 per cabin (though they don't usually check if you bring 2 per person).

Since the ship has been sailing U.S. water regularly this past Alaska season, and it's departing from Canada, there won't be any USCG check for the crew to have to prepare for. Resulted in an absolute gong show when we left San Pedro as the ship had come in the same morning from South America. Onboard service was pretty much disrupted for the whole 4-night trip (or maybe it a a full ship).

Too late in the season but we saw a fair number of humpback whales following the spring migration up in late March/early April (on the Star Princess) and fall migration heading south in early October on another ship headed for Chile. Sun is of course going to be on the port side AM and starboard PM.

Should be no sea fog and from the forecast, it looks like you will have sunny skies leaving Vancouver, and it's sunny in Astoria through the 2nd and sunny in SF through the weekend.

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Old Oct 31, 19, 1:13 pm
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In honour of Seat2As inaugural sea voyage, and in the spirit of this thread,

Name one passenger steamship company that also operated a scheduled airline (I can think of one but are there others?)
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Old Oct 31, 19, 1:52 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
In honour of Seat2As inaugural sea voyage, and in the spirit of this thread,

Name one passenger steamship company that also operated a scheduled airline (I can think of one but are there others?)
Cunard comes to mind right away; they had some collaborative operations with BOAC (and British Eagle? ... paging WHBM) in the late 1950s/early 1960s ... of course there was also Carnival in the U.S and Caribbean markets during the early to mid 1990s, but somehow I think "cruise ship operator" isn't quite what you meant by "steamship company"
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Old Oct 31, 19, 2:48 pm
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Cunard comes to mind right away; they had some collaborative operations with BOAC (and British Eagle? ... paging WHBM) in the late 1950s/early 1960s ... of course there was also Carnival in the U.S and Caribbean markets during the early to mid 1990s, but somehow I think "cruise ship operator" isn't quite what you meant by "steamship company"
Both count. I remember Cunard BOAC and Cunard Eagle mentioned before but forgot about them. Carnival I had thought of but wasn't sure if it was a scheduled airline? Yes, I was thinking of steamship companies that operated airlines.

For a (non-airline) bonus: What is the Canadian connection with Cunard?

More specifically, I was looking for a steamship company operated the airline as a wholly-owned subsidiary. I have to mention that the steamship company's original and main line of business (which it is still in) wasn't steamships (out of the shipping business today).
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Old Oct 31, 19, 4:57 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
More specifically, I was looking for a steamship company operated the airline as a wholly-owned subsidiary. I have to mention that the steamship company's original and main line of business (which it is still in) wasn't steamships (out of the shipping business today).
Could we be talking about Canadian Pacific?
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Old Oct 31, 19, 5:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
Could we be talking about Canadian Pacific?
But of course (and/but are there any others?) Topical given you're leaving from its Pacific home port. The answer ties into your cruise as the Princess cruise line adopted its name as the first ship the line used (Princess Patricia) was a charter from CP steamships. That ship sailed up the B.C. coast and into Alaska into the early 80s. Tiny compared to tbe Star Princess.
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Old Oct 31, 19, 9:06 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
But of course (and/but are there any others?) Topical given you're leaving from its Pacific home port. The answer ties into your cruise as the Princess cruise line adopted its name as the first ship the line used (Princess Patricia) was a charter from CP steamships. That ship sailed up the B.C. coast and into Alaska into the early 80s. Tiny compared to tbe Star Princess.
Your question set me off on a tangent thinking about the Great Western Railway, which expanded into steamships to give people a reason to travel its line to Bristol and on to the New World. And also provided the Chief Engineer Isambard Kingdon Brunel another outlet for his talents. This led me to read about the CP and steamships but I failed to pursue it on to the obvious airline!
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Old Oct 31, 19, 10:09 pm
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Found another airline that was also operated by a passenger shipping company.

Airline - passenger ship question 2

This (hint: European) airline was eventually merged with another airline into one that operated as its nation's second main carrier, and eventually merged into the nation's main carrier..

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Old Oct 31, 19, 10:27 pm
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Airline passenger ship question 3.

And yet another (I should have thought of it given its name) with the caveat that the predecessor shipping companies had long abandoned passenger transportation by the time the airline was founded.

This airline was founded to carry passengers to and from its parent's cruise ships, and as a holiday/leisure charter airline but eventually operated scheduled service. It was the first airline to operate the immediate predecessor to the troubled sub-type of this aircraft (the main airline of its nation was the very first operator of this line of aircraft).

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Old Nov 1, 19, 10:50 am
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach View Post
Found another airline that was also operated by a passenger shipping company. Airline - passenger ship question 2

This (hint: European) airline was eventually merged with another airline into one that operated as its nation's second main carrier, and eventually merged into the nation's main carrier..
Good hint, thanks! Let's go with Denmark's Maersk!
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Old Nov 1, 19, 10:56 am
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Airline passenger ship question 3.

And yet another (I should have thought of it given its name) with the caveat that the predecessor shipping companies had long abandoned passenger transportation by the time the airline was founded.

This airline was founded to carry passengers to and from its parent's cruise ships, and as a holiday/leisure charter airline but eventually operated scheduled service. It was the first airline to operate the immediate predecessor to the troubled sub-type of this aircraft (the main airline of its nation was the very first operator of this line of aircraft).
Dang! YVR! You're pretty good at this question gig! I'm sure I speak for many when I say Thanks! and we look forward to any more you care to serve up!

As for me, it's time to catch my ride to the ship, so all the best to you all and I'll check back in on November 4th ^
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Old Nov 1, 19, 11:33 am
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Good hint, thanks! Let's go with Denmark's Maersk!
Didn't think about Maersk but that's a good answer and another for the list (to be added to the list of answers for airlines similar to the answer for Question 3). Not sure Maersk line or its predecessors operated scheduled passenger service (I have to look it up), and it doesn't seem have been doing so.when the airline was formed.

The airline in my question 2 appeared to have operated the very first type of jetliner before it was merged. Part of the reason for the airline's formation was to connect not only far-flung colonies but commercial destinations of the colonies of other empires.
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