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Old Sep 17, 19, 10:44 am
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
35- how about Braathens S.A.F.E. of Norway with a 737-500

36- I'll say SAS, again with a 737-500
35. Correct! Although the OAG doesn't specify the particular 737 model. Here are the scheds.....

BU 574: Newcastle (NCL) 10:25 - 12:35 Stavanger (SVG)
Op: Daily except Saturdays and Sundays
Service class: Y
Equip: 737

BU 578: Newcastle (NCL) 19:15 - 21:25 Stavanger (SVG)
Op: Sundays only
Service class: Y
Equip: 737

36. Yep, it was SAS....but not with a B737-500. Here are the scheds....

SK 2843: Stavanger (SVG) 11:00 - 11:05 Aberdeen (ABZ)
Op: Daily
Service classes: C/Y
Equip: D9S

SK 2845: Stavanger (SVG) 17:20 - 17:25 Aberdeen (ABZ)
Op: Daily except Saturdays
Service classes: C/Y
Equip: D9S

The other air carrier operating nonstop SVG-ABZ service at this time was Air UK with one Fokker F27 flight per day plus three Fokker F50 flights per day.
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Old Sep 17, 19, 2:30 pm
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Bonus Question :

The first of these services from secondary UK east coast points to Stavanger on the west coast of Norway seems to have started in 1968, when the oil & gas industry first started doing exploration in the intervening North Sea. Principal UK points were Aberdeen, Teesside, Humberside and Norwich, and all sorts of odd flights have come and gone over time, along with a lot of charters, executive jets, and freighters small and not so small. I believe some made as much money from urgent package express as from passengers, and it was common for the ground crew at the turnround point to know they had to wait for a passenger making a return trip just with documents which needed a signature from someone at the other end, or someone else to be shuttled directly across the ramp to a waiting helicopter to take them out to an oil rig in the sea.

But where did those initial 1968 scheduled flights leave from (not the ones listed above), which airline, and which aircraft ?
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Old Sep 17, 19, 3:07 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
29. It's 1983 and you are in Long Beach. You have a meeting to attend in Minneapolis and have found a direct one stop flight from LGB to MSP. Name the air carrier, the stop and the equipment. It wasn't Jet America, American or Frontier and the aircraft wasn't an MD-80, B727-200 or B737-200. The stop was made at DEN.
29- having ruled out those three common types, let's try a Republic DC-9-30 via Las Vegas (LAS)
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30. It's still 1983 and you are now in Toledo. There's a symposium you are planning on attending at the University of California at Berkeley and the closest airport is Oakland. You're surprised to learn there's actually a direct flight from TOL to OAK which only makes two stops en route. Identify the airline, both stops and the aircraft type.
It wasn't United or TWA and the aircraft wasn't a B727-100 or B727-200. The flight did not stop at MKE or STL.One of the stops was DEN.
30- reapplying the most recent failure of my Q29 logic, we might instead find that Frontier 737 here, operating TOL-XXX-DEN-OAK ... given that FL did a fair number of short tag-ons from primary destinations as they were expanding into the midwest, I suspect XXX=Detroit (DTW)
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
29- having ruled out those three common types, let's try a Republic DC-9-30 via Las Vegas (LAS)

30- reapplying the most recent failure of my Q29 logic, we might instead find that Frontier 737 here, operating TOL-XXX-DEN-OAK ... given that FL did a fair number of short tag-ons from primary destinations as they were expanding into the midwest, I suspect XXX=Detroit (DTW)
29. Nope, it wasn't Republic and the aircraft wasn't a DC-9-30. Plus, we've already established that Denver (DEN) was the stop.

30. Correct! Here's the sched....

FL 621: Toledo (TOL) 6:38a - 6:59a Detroit (DTW) 7:36a 8:35a Denver (DEN) 9:15a - 10:45a Oakland (OAK)
Op: Daily
Service class: Y
Meal service: Breakfast DTW-DEN & DEN-OAK
Equip: 73S
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29- grrrrrrrrr missed that one (speaking of failure of Q29 logic :/) ... over to the others after this guess ... Continental DC-9-10
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29- grrrrrrrrr missed that one (speaking of failure of Q29 logic :/) ... over to the others after this guess ... Continental DC-9-10
29. Great guess! But nope and nope!

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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
Bonus Question :

The first of these services from secondary UK east coast points to Stavanger on the west coast of Norway seems to have started in 1968, when the oil & gas industry first started doing exploration in the intervening North Sea. Principal UK points were Aberdeen, Teesside, Humberside and Norwich, and all sorts of odd flights have come and gone over time, along with a lot of charters, executive jets, and freighters small and not so small. I believe some made as much money from urgent package express as from passengers, and it was common for the ground crew at the turnround point to know they had to wait for a passenger making a return trip just with documents which needed a signature from someone at the other end, or someone else to be shuttled directly across the ramp to a waiting helicopter to take them out to an oil rig in the sea.

But where did those initial 1968 scheduled flights leave from (not the ones listed above), which airline, and which aircraft ?
I'll guess Dan-Air with the Airspeed Ambassador departing out of Newcastle.
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I'll guess Dan-Air with the Airspeed Ambassador departing out of Newcastle.
All correct. Using an aircraft some here may have walked through at Duxford museum . At the beginning Dan-Air even used a DC-3 sometimes.
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37. Only one airline was operating jet service from East Midlands (EMA) to Belfast (BFS) at this time and the service only operated once a week on Sundays. Identify the airline and the equipment
I'll guess that the airline was British Midland, longstanding regular operator on the route, and that for the rest of the week the aircraft was a BAe ATP turboprop. However, possibly on Sundays things were switched around a bit, and they ran a DC-9 then.
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
All correct. Using an aircraft some here may have walked through at Duxford museum . At the beginning Dan-Air even used a DC-3 sometimes.
Ah yes, and the memory of seeing this fine airplane at Duxford not too long ago did help a bit with regard to my answer.....

And I also did not think Dan-Air was operating a Comet on the route.....
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29- 1982, LGB-DEN-MSP ... I've managed to winnow out five airlines and five equipment types over a two-day period
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It wasn't Jet America, American, Frontier, Republic or Continental and the aircraft wasn't an MD-80, B727-200, B737-200, DC-9-30 or DC-9-10
there isn't much left besides a United 727-22
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
I'll guess that the airline was British Midland, longstanding regular operator on the route, and that for the rest of the week the aircraft was a BAe ATP turboprop. However, possibly on Sundays things were switched around a bit, and they ran a DC-9 then.
37. British Midland (BD) was the only airline serving East Midlands Airport (EMA) with jet equipment as well as turboprops at this time in 1996. As you have pointed out in the past, East Midlands was an important station in their system and I believe British Midland had their corporate headquarters located near EMA in Donington Hall (a very stately building, BTW) in Castle Donington.

However, BD was not operating the Douglas DC-9-10 or McDonnell Douglas DC-9-30 from East Midlands at this time.....but they were operating the BAe ATP along with the Saab 340 from EMA and most of the service to Belfast (BFS) was flown with these turboprop types. And British Midland was also flying Fokker F70 and F100 jet equipment from East Midlands with nonstop service to Amsterdam (AMS), Edinburgh (EDI), Glasgow (GLA), Jersey (JER) and Paris (CDG) as well as the aforementioned Sunday service to Belfast. Here's the sched....

BD 277: East Midlands (EMA) 18:20 - 19:15 Belfast Intl. (BFS)
Op: Sundays only
Service classes: C/Y
Equip: F100

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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
29- 1982, LGB-DEN-MSP ... I've managed to winnow out five airlines and five equipment types over a two-day period

there isn't much left besides a United 727-22
29. United yes, B727-100 no! Please guess again!
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
29- 1982, LGB-DEN-MSP ... I've managed to winnow out five airlines and five equipment types over a two-day period
Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
It wasn't Jet America, American, Frontier, Republic or Continental and the aircraft wasn't an MD-80, B727-200, B737-200, DC-9-30 or DC-9-10
there isn't much left besides a United 727-22
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29, United yes, B727-100 no! Please guess again!
the 767 didn't show up at LGB until the next year, so it pretty much has to be a DC-8-71
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the 767 didn't show up at LGB until the next year, so it pretty much has to be a DC-8-71
29. Well, according to the July 1, 1983 OAG United was operating not one but two B767-200 nonstops from Long Beach to Denver on a daily basis and was also the only airline operating nonstop service between LGB and DEN at this time. Here's the sched for the flight in question.....

UA 488: Long Beach (LGB) 4:00p - 7:00p Denver (DEN) 7:50p - 10:30p Minneapolis/St. Paul (MSP)
Op: Daily
Service classes: F/Y
Equip: 767

And the other 767 flight from LGB to DEN (UA 694) continued on to Philadelphia (PHL).
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