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And speaking of the venerable L-188 Electra in ancient times in California...
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18. (1982) Identify the only two U.S. airlines that in 1982 operated scheduled flights aboard their wide-bodied jets in an all-economy class configuration. Additionally, identify the type of wide-body each airline flew.
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Capitol Air, DC-10
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Capitol Air, DC-10
Jul 20, 2019, 12:41 am
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16. (1988) It’s not often that business calls for you to travel from your home office outside Atlanta, Georgia to the far-flung regional office in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. When it did recently, you were pleased to discover a two-stop direct flight from Atlanta that would put you into Sioux Falls early in the afternoon. You quickly book it and make a note to pack a sandwich since no meals will be offered enroute. Name the airline, the two intermediate stops and the aircraft type you’ll be flying.
Can I guess that's linking the two halves of Republic ? Say a DC-9 operating Atlanta-Memphis-Minneapolis-Sioux Falls. My only Republic flight was a DC-9 Toronto to Detroit. That didn't have any catering either !
This city pair certainly sounds like it could have been served by Republic, especially given the lack of catering on what would be some short flight segments along the way. But NO! It was another airline - one that operated a variant of the DC-9. Oh what the heck - I'll just acknowledge it was a DC-9-30. As to the routing, it did not include either Memphis or Minneapolis. So endowed with this additional information, please - guess again!
Can I guess that's linking the two halves of Republic ? Say a DC-9 operating Atlanta-Memphis-Minneapolis-Sioux Falls. My only Republic flight was a DC-9 Toronto to Detroit. That didn't have any catering either !
This city pair certainly sounds like it could have been served by Republic, especially given the lack of catering on what would be some short flight segments along the way. But NO! It was another airline - one that operated a variant of the DC-9. Oh what the heck - I'll just acknowledge it was a DC-9-30. As to the routing, it did not include either Memphis or Minneapolis. So endowed with this additional information, please - guess again!
Jul 20, 2019, 12:59 am
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8. (1982) The Canadian rock band Rush is playing next weekend in Calgary and you’re excited to have scored two fourth row tickets to the concert. Although there are no nonstop flights between your home airport in Portland, Oregon and Calgary, you figure you’ll fly up to Vancouver and connect to Calgary from there. Alas, you can’t find anything but First Class seats between YVR and YYC. No way, man… that’s too much money. Hmm… what’s this? Well how ‘bout that?! There’s a daily three stop direct flight between Portland and Calgary that has two seats available at a fairly reasonable fare. Identify the airline, aircraft and the three enroute stops.
Well then.......it was "The Only Way To Fly" but the service wasn't flown a 73S operating PDX-SFO-SLC-GTF-YYC.....
Guess we better upgrade to First Class on board a Western B727-200 with a "western U.S. grand tour" routing of Portland - Los Angeles - Phoenix - Denver - Calgary. And who was the opening act for "Rush"?
Correct! This is my kind of routing, but given the geographical distance covered it's surprising that it showed up as a marketable flight on the Portland -Calgary schedule. Here's the schedule:
Western 302 Portland (PDX) 745a-958a B Los Angeles (LAX) 1040a-1145a Phoenix (PHX) 1215p-250p L Denver (DEN) 335p-550p Calgary (YYC) 727-200 Daily
As for the opening act for "Rush", I'm thinking it might've been those hosers The McKenzie Brothers
Well then.......it was "The Only Way To Fly" but the service wasn't flown a 73S operating PDX-SFO-SLC-GTF-YYC.....
Guess we better upgrade to First Class on board a Western B727-200 with a "western U.S. grand tour" routing of Portland - Los Angeles - Phoenix - Denver - Calgary. And who was the opening act for "Rush"?
Correct! This is my kind of routing, but given the geographical distance covered it's surprising that it showed up as a marketable flight on the Portland -Calgary schedule. Here's the schedule:
Western 302 Portland (PDX) 745a-958a B Los Angeles (LAX) 1040a-1145a Phoenix (PHX) 1215p-250p L Denver (DEN) 335p-550p Calgary (YYC) 727-200 Daily
As for the opening act for "Rush", I'm thinking it might've been those hosers The McKenzie Brothers
Jul 20, 2019, 1:12 am
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23. (1983) Jets are wonderful inventions, but you’ve fond memories of your many flights aboard propeller driven aircraft such as the DC-6, Lockheed Electra and Vickers Viscount. You especially miss the large windows on airplanes like the Viscount, Convair 580 and Electra. Imagine then your surprise and delight to discover that in 1983 it’s still possible to fly all the way from Philadelphia to Chicago aboard a piston engine propliner from the 1950s. The flight doesn’t operate nonstop of course – two enroute stops in Ohio are made – but hey, so much the better as you’ll have that much more time to enjoy the experience enroute. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the two enroute stops.
How about Akron/Canton (CAK) for the first stop on this mystery airline's Convair 440 operation
Akron/Canton (CAK) and Toledo (TOL) are correct! Now all we're missing is the name of the airline. And the airline is...?
How about Akron/Canton (CAK) for the first stop on this mystery airline's Convair 440 operation
Akron/Canton (CAK) and Toledo (TOL) are correct! Now all we're missing is the name of the airline. And the airline is...?
Jul 20, 2019, 1:16 am
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18. (1982) Identify the only two U.S. airlines that in 1982 operated scheduled flights aboard their wide-bodied jets in an all-economy class configuration. Additionally, identify the type of wide-body each airline flew.
World Airways DC-10 and Capitol Air DC-10
Way to close this one out, Toshbaf! ^
Please, pick another question!
World Airways DC-10 and Capitol Air DC-10
Way to close this one out, Toshbaf! ^
Please, pick another question!
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How about Akron/Canton (CAK) for the first stop on this mystery airline's Convair 440 operation
Akron/Canton (CAK) and Toledo (TOL) are correct! Now all we're missing is the name of the airline. And the airline is...?
Akron/Canton (CAK) and Toledo (TOL) are correct! Now all we're missing is the name of the airline. And the airline is...?
And speaking of the venerable L-188 Electra in ancient times in California...
Jul 20, 2019, 10:18 am
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23. (1983) Jets are wonderful inventions, but you’ve fond memories of your many flights aboard propeller driven aircraft such as the DC-6, Lockheed Electra and Vickers Viscount. You especially miss the large windows on airplanes like the Viscount, Convair 580 and Electra. Imagine then your surprise and delight to discover that in 1983 it’s still possible to fly all the way from Philadelphia to Chicago aboard a piston engine propliner from the 1950s. The flight doesn’t operate nonstop of course – two enroute stops in Ohio are made – but hey, so much the better as you’ll have that much more time to enjoy the experience enroute. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the two enroute stops.
Akron/Canton (CAK) and Toledo (TOL) are correct! Now all we're missing is the name of the airline. And the airline is...?
Has the name of the mystery airline not actually been mentioned a little earlier ….
Indeed it has. I like the way it was blended in - hiding in plain English if you will - and so when it was never actually acknowledged in subsequent responses to this question I decided to leave it out there to see if anyone else picked up on it.
I am reminded of Easter egg hunts at the famous Broadmoor Hotel when I was a kid. There was always one special egg that was larger and more ornate than the rest and finding it was indeed special. So c'mon boys - go find that egg that WHBM has so cleverly hidden in plain sight. ^
Akron/Canton (CAK) and Toledo (TOL) are correct! Now all we're missing is the name of the airline. And the airline is...?
Has the name of the mystery airline not actually been mentioned a little earlier ….
Indeed it has. I like the way it was blended in - hiding in plain English if you will - and so when it was never actually acknowledged in subsequent responses to this question I decided to leave it out there to see if anyone else picked up on it.
I am reminded of Easter egg hunts at the famous Broadmoor Hotel when I was a kid. There was always one special egg that was larger and more ornate than the rest and finding it was indeed special. So c'mon boys - go find that egg that WHBM has so cleverly hidden in plain sight. ^
Jul 20, 2019, 10:24 am
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5. (1958) It’s autumn of 1958 and you’re excited to be making your first trans-continental trip. Your flight will depart from Hartford’s Bradley International Airport and make three stops enroute to your destination at Oakland International Airport, conveniently located just four miles from your uncle’s house in San Leandro. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the three enroute stops you’ll make.
Please see Post 15927
10. (1987) You’ve got business in Dallas, Texas and because you successfully negotiated a multi-million dollar contract for the company last month, the boss has opted to reward you with – amongst other things – a First Class ticket from London to Dallas and back. The offer is somewhat bittersweet in that you’ve always wanted to fly in First Class aboard a 747 and since Braniff no longer operates its bright orange 747s on this route, you’re stuck with a DC-10 via the other airline(s) that fly LGW to DFW. Not so fast says the company travel agent. There is one airline that operates a single once weekly 747 between LGW and DFW. First Class is available. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline you’ll be flying, please.
A N S W E R E D
11. (1988) You’ve just received an invitation from an old business partner to join him and a couple of associates for a weekend of golf and networking at Las Vegas’ Showboat Country Club. Well… why the heck not?! Especially since a hurricane is bearing down on the Florida Keys and the weather in Miami projects to be less than desirable over the next few days. A quick check of the schedules indicates that the MIA-LAS market is served via a single direct one stop flight that’ll get you into Las Vegas in the early afternoon, just in time for a nine hole warm up round followed by a round of cocktails and dinner. You quickly book a First Class seat and call your partner back to relay your arrival time. Please identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stop.
12. (1961) You’ve been wanting to take your wife on vacation to Portugal for years. Now that a new two-stop direct jet flight has become available between Miami and Lisbon, what’s stopping you? Why, nothing, Senhor! Please identify the airline, the two enroute stops and of course the aircraft type to be flown.
14. (1983) You’ve just received a call from an old college buddy to see if you and your better half would care to join him and his girlfriend on a short three-night pleasure cruise to Miami departing Montego Bay, Jamaica this coming Saturday night. Well, sure! Let’s check the schedules. Hmm… There are no nonstops from Logan down to Montego Bay, but one airline offers a single daily direct flight that makes two enroute stops. Identify all the usual qualifiers, please.
A N S W E R E D
16. (1988) It’s not often that business calls for you to travel from your home office outside Atlanta, Georgia to the far-flung regional office in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. When it did recently, you were pleased to discover a two-stop direct flight from Atlanta that would put you into Sioux Falls early in the afternoon. You quickly book it and make a note to pack a sandwich since no meals will be offered enroute. Name the airline, the two intermediate stops and the aircraft type you’ll be flying.
Please see Post 15978
20. (1983) You need to fly from Baton Rouge, Louisiana up to Virginia next week. Since your appointment is out near Dulles, IAD will be your airport of choice. Surely this is gonna involve a connection somewhere along the way. What’s that old saying… “When I die and go to heaven, I’ll probably have to connect in Atlanta”. Dulles is hardly heavenly, but you look skyward and say a small prayer upon discovering that there’s a three stop direct flight that departs Baton Rouge every morning at 7:43am. Identify the airline, the three enroute stops and the aircraft type.
See Post 15925
21. (1988) You need to fly from Seattle to New York, but since your brother lives in Flushing Meadows, the best airport for you to fly into is New York’s LaGuardia. Unfortunately there are no nonstops between Seattle and LGA. In fact, all of the airlines – with one exception – serve either JFK or EWR with either nonstop or direct flights. The one exception that serves LGA makes two stops enroute. Hmm… Well, at least you won’t be faced with any long layovers or potentially missed flights. Plus, the flight offers a couple of snacks enroute. Book it, Danno! Airline, stops and aircraft please!
22. (1982) In 1982, only one airline operated a turboprop nonstop from the U.S. mainland to the far reaches (over 1000 miles from the U.S. mainland) of the West Indies. The flight operated twice weekly and continued on to another island where it overnighted before returning to the U.S. the next day. Identify the airline, the U.S. gateway airport, the two destination airports s and the aircraft type.
25. (1988) What’s this? You’re driving to work through the Toronto suburbs when you spy a billboard touting Toronto’s only direct (one-stop) service to the Virgin Islands – specifically St. Thomas. Hmm... You quickly call your wife. What do you think, honey? Wanna go to the Virgin Islands next month? Right on! You quickly book a pair of seats while your wife works on the hotels. Please identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stop, eh!
30. (1988) You need to fly from Nassau in the Bahamas up to Hartford, Connecticut. To your surprise, the market is served by a single once daily direct flight that makes just one stop along the way. You quickly book yourself a First Class seat. Which airline will you be flying with? And while we’re at it, what’s the enroute stop and what type of aircraft will you be flying upon?
Please see Post 15927
10. (1987) You’ve got business in Dallas, Texas and because you successfully negotiated a multi-million dollar contract for the company last month, the boss has opted to reward you with – amongst other things – a First Class ticket from London to Dallas and back. The offer is somewhat bittersweet in that you’ve always wanted to fly in First Class aboard a 747 and since Braniff no longer operates its bright orange 747s on this route, you’re stuck with a DC-10 via the other airline(s) that fly LGW to DFW. Not so fast says the company travel agent. There is one airline that operates a single once weekly 747 between LGW and DFW. First Class is available. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline you’ll be flying, please.
A N S W E R E D
11. (1988) You’ve just received an invitation from an old business partner to join him and a couple of associates for a weekend of golf and networking at Las Vegas’ Showboat Country Club. Well… why the heck not?! Especially since a hurricane is bearing down on the Florida Keys and the weather in Miami projects to be less than desirable over the next few days. A quick check of the schedules indicates that the MIA-LAS market is served via a single direct one stop flight that’ll get you into Las Vegas in the early afternoon, just in time for a nine hole warm up round followed by a round of cocktails and dinner. You quickly book a First Class seat and call your partner back to relay your arrival time. Please identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stop.
12. (1961) You’ve been wanting to take your wife on vacation to Portugal for years. Now that a new two-stop direct jet flight has become available between Miami and Lisbon, what’s stopping you? Why, nothing, Senhor! Please identify the airline, the two enroute stops and of course the aircraft type to be flown.
14. (1983) You’ve just received a call from an old college buddy to see if you and your better half would care to join him and his girlfriend on a short three-night pleasure cruise to Miami departing Montego Bay, Jamaica this coming Saturday night. Well, sure! Let’s check the schedules. Hmm… There are no nonstops from Logan down to Montego Bay, but one airline offers a single daily direct flight that makes two enroute stops. Identify all the usual qualifiers, please.
A N S W E R E D
16. (1988) It’s not often that business calls for you to travel from your home office outside Atlanta, Georgia to the far-flung regional office in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. When it did recently, you were pleased to discover a two-stop direct flight from Atlanta that would put you into Sioux Falls early in the afternoon. You quickly book it and make a note to pack a sandwich since no meals will be offered enroute. Name the airline, the two intermediate stops and the aircraft type you’ll be flying.
Please see Post 15978
20. (1983) You need to fly from Baton Rouge, Louisiana up to Virginia next week. Since your appointment is out near Dulles, IAD will be your airport of choice. Surely this is gonna involve a connection somewhere along the way. What’s that old saying… “When I die and go to heaven, I’ll probably have to connect in Atlanta”. Dulles is hardly heavenly, but you look skyward and say a small prayer upon discovering that there’s a three stop direct flight that departs Baton Rouge every morning at 7:43am. Identify the airline, the three enroute stops and the aircraft type.
See Post 15925
21. (1988) You need to fly from Seattle to New York, but since your brother lives in Flushing Meadows, the best airport for you to fly into is New York’s LaGuardia. Unfortunately there are no nonstops between Seattle and LGA. In fact, all of the airlines – with one exception – serve either JFK or EWR with either nonstop or direct flights. The one exception that serves LGA makes two stops enroute. Hmm… Well, at least you won’t be faced with any long layovers or potentially missed flights. Plus, the flight offers a couple of snacks enroute. Book it, Danno! Airline, stops and aircraft please!
22. (1982) In 1982, only one airline operated a turboprop nonstop from the U.S. mainland to the far reaches (over 1000 miles from the U.S. mainland) of the West Indies. The flight operated twice weekly and continued on to another island where it overnighted before returning to the U.S. the next day. Identify the airline, the U.S. gateway airport, the two destination airports s and the aircraft type.
25. (1988) What’s this? You’re driving to work through the Toronto suburbs when you spy a billboard touting Toronto’s only direct (one-stop) service to the Virgin Islands – specifically St. Thomas. Hmm... You quickly call your wife. What do you think, honey? Wanna go to the Virgin Islands next month? Right on! You quickly book a pair of seats while your wife works on the hotels. Please identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stop, eh!
30. (1988) You need to fly from Nassau in the Bahamas up to Hartford, Connecticut. To your surprise, the market is served by a single once daily direct flight that makes just one stop along the way. You quickly book yourself a First Class seat. Which airline will you be flying with? And while we’re at it, what’s the enroute stop and what type of aircraft will you be flying upon?
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23. (1983) Jets are wonderful inventions, but you’ve fond memories of your many flights aboard propeller driven aircraft such as the DC-6, Lockheed Electra and Vickers Viscount. You especially miss the large windows on airplanes like the Viscount, Convair 580 and Electra. Imagine then your surprise and delight to discover that in 1983 it’s still possible to fly all the way from Philadelphia to Chicago aboard a piston engine propliner from the 1950s. The flight doesn’t operate nonstop of course – two enroute stops in Ohio are made – but hey, so much the better as you’ll have that much more time to enjoy the experience enroute. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the two enroute stops.
Akron/Canton (CAK) and Toledo (TOL) are correct! Now all we're missing is the name of the airline. And the airline is...?
Has the name of the mystery airline not actually been mentioned a little earlier ….
Liberty Airlines (according to the 1983 Pocket OAG)
In looking it up you've bypassed the hunt, but yes, there you have it. Liberty Airlines it is. Again, I apologize for all the extra work it took to get here and thanks again to WHBM for shining a light on the 440 operation as well as the name of this airline (See post 15959). Here's the schedule:
Liberty Airlines CK 202 Philadelphia (PHL) 240p-415p Akron/Canton (CAK) 430p-515p S Toledo (TOL)530p-540p S Chicago (ORD) Convair 440 X6
Akron/Canton (CAK) and Toledo (TOL) are correct! Now all we're missing is the name of the airline. And the airline is...?
Has the name of the mystery airline not actually been mentioned a little earlier ….
Liberty Airlines (according to the 1983 Pocket OAG)
In looking it up you've bypassed the hunt, but yes, there you have it. Liberty Airlines it is. Again, I apologize for all the extra work it took to get here and thanks again to WHBM for shining a light on the 440 operation as well as the name of this airline (See post 15959). Here's the schedule:
Liberty Airlines CK 202 Philadelphia (PHL) 240p-415p Akron/Canton (CAK) 430p-515p S Toledo (TOL)530p-540p S Chicago (ORD) Convair 440 X6
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WHBM's hint had been gnawing at me, because I lived in the region at that time but couldn't remember Liberty's having been at CAK.
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Oh gosh, is it "ancient" ? Because in what must have been New Year 78/79, the same month as that PSA Electra photo, with a fairly new Miss WHBM of the era, we went with PSA Burbank to SFO for an interesting few days. On the way I managed to pick up the PSA and Air California schedules, doubtless from the counters at SFO (don't think Air California served Burbank then), and subsequently in the motel managed to work out the daily roster of all the Electras into Tahoe etc. This was treated with surprise and suspicion, especially when the task seemed to have taken precedence over going through the Restaurants section of the motel room San Francisco Yellow Pages to identify interesting dining opportunities for the evening.
Air California was serving Burbank in 1968, 1969 and I think 1970 as weIl. In late 1968 they were operating both the 737 and the Electra into BUR with service to OAK and SJC, and by early 1969 all of their BUR service was being operated with the 737 to OAK and SJC.
http://www.timetableimages.com/ttima...12/oc6812a.jpg
http://www.timetableimages.com/ttima...09/oc6909a.jpg
However, by 1971 Air California was no longer serving Burbank according to their timetable at that time. I do know that Air Cal was once again serving BUR by the summer of 1982. In the summer of 1983 as I flew with them on board a brand new MD-80 from Burbank up to San Jose.
As for your task back then concerning ascertaining the Electra schedule into TVL, first things first!
BTW, the caption accompanying the above photo of the PSA Electra states that N171PS was also operated by Channel Express as G-CEXS at one point. Curious to know if it was used for passenger service or for all-cargo operations by Channel Express.
And we have crossed an interesting threshold as the OTAQ&D has now had over one million views (probably now more than 1,000,055) since Seat 2A kicked things off here back in November of 2011. I also see that we are closing in on 16,000 replies.
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10. (1987) You’ve got business in Dallas, Texas and because you successfully negotiated a multi-million dollar contract for the company last month, the boss has opted to reward you with – amongst other things – a First Class ticket from London to Dallas and back. The offer is somewhat bittersweet in that you’ve always wanted to fly in First Class aboard a 747 and since Braniff no longer operates its bright orange 747s on this route, you’re stuck with a DC-10 via the other airline(s) that fly LGW to DFW. Not so fast says the company travel agent. There is one airline that operates a single once weekly 747 between LGW and DFW. First Class is available. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline you’ll be flying, please.
I'm going with a literal interpretation of the question, naming the airline that operates a single once weekly 747, not an airline that flies only once a week and uses a 747.
American Airlines
I believe that was their initial plane they used on the route but eventually changed to DC-10's.
I'm going with a literal interpretation of the question, naming the airline that operates a single once weekly 747, not an airline that flies only once a week and uses a 747.
American Airlines
I believe that was their initial plane they used on the route but eventually changed to DC-10's.
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10. (1987) You’ve got business in Dallas, Texas and because you successfully negotiated a multi-million dollar contract for the company last month, the boss has opted to reward you with – amongst other things – a First Class ticket from London to Dallas and back. The offer is somewhat bittersweet in that you’ve always wanted to fly in First Class aboard a 747 and since Braniff no longer operates its bright orange 747s on this route, you’re stuck with a DC-10 via the other airline(s) that fly LGW to DFW. Not so fast says the company travel agent. There is one airline that operates a single once weekly 747 between LGW and DFW. First Class is available. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline you’ll be flying, please.
I'm going with a literal interpretation of the question, naming the airline that operates a single once weekly 747, not an airline that flies only once a week and uses a 747. American Airlines. I believe that was their initial plane they used on the route but eventually changed to DC-10's.
Way to get this one started, Mr. T! We are however looking for an airline other than American (which was flying the LGW-DFW route at the time, albeit with a DC-10-30) Additionally, with DFW being AA's primary hub, it offered daily flights in this market. Please, guess again!
I'm going with a literal interpretation of the question, naming the airline that operates a single once weekly 747, not an airline that flies only once a week and uses a 747. American Airlines. I believe that was their initial plane they used on the route but eventually changed to DC-10's.
Way to get this one started, Mr. T! We are however looking for an airline other than American (which was flying the LGW-DFW route at the time, albeit with a DC-10-30) Additionally, with DFW being AA's primary hub, it offered daily flights in this market. Please, guess again!