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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion

Old May 15, 19, 9:15 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
the long-awaited TWA Hotel opens today at JFK
So need. Before, I jumped over the barricade to look through the window of the TWA terminal.

On the plus side, it's preserving the building.

On the minus side, it's like a museum piece in a glass case. Gone are the 2 flight wings and the view of the ramp from inside the terminal. Gone are the check in counters, which were not located in a grand location.

I actually liked the I. M. Pei designed National Airlines Sundrome, later TWA domestic terminal, later Terminal 6. The drawback of that terminal was the central 3-4 gates, not the 2 satellites, had no view of the planes.
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Old May 17, 19, 8:29 am
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I can tell how enthused you all are about the TSA just by your overwhelming response to this question:

11. In 2002, this was the first U.S. airport to federalize its security force after the passage of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. It is effectively known as the birthplace of the TSA. So then, which airport is it?

And the answer is...

https://www.capitalgazette.com/maryl...927-story.html
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Old May 17, 19, 9:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
I can tell how enthused you all are about the TSA just by your overwhelming response to this question:

11. In 2002, this was the first U.S. airport to federalize its security force after the passage of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. It is effectively known as the birthplace of the TSA. So then, which airport is it?

And the answer is...

https://www.capitalgazette.com/maryl...927-story.html
and I was going to guess MCI.
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Old May 21, 19, 10:49 am
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40 years ago (this week, I think)

1- what airline inaugurated service to Seattle?
2- what route(s)?
3- what equipment?
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Old May 21, 19, 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
1- what airline inaugurated service to Seattle?
2- what route(s)?
3- what equipment?
Wild, wild guess of

1: BA
2. LHR-YVR-SEA-LHR
3. 747-200
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Old May 21, 19, 12:06 pm
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possible, but I’m reasonably certain that one of my Boeing co-workers was flying BA SEA<—>LHR in 1978 on business travel to Rolls-Royce ... I have another carrier in mind here
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Old May 21, 19, 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
1- what airline inaugurated service to Seattle?
2- what route(s)?
3- what equipment?
TWA
SEA-STL
Boeing 727-200

Seattle is a major market on the US West Coast but TWA didn't serve SEA for decades.
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Old May 21, 19, 9:17 pm
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two out of three ... the jet was a 707-131B; the original schedule was 2x/day, something like:
STL-SEA lv ~0830 ar ~1100; SEA-STL lv ~1300 ar ~1900

STL-SEA lv ~1745 ar ~2015; SEA-STL lv ~0030 ar ~0615

after taking delivery of their first 767s in late 1982 / early 1983, TW added a third frequency:

STL-SEA lv ~1500 ar ~1730
SEA-STL lv ~0645 ar ~1300

the 767 was on the evening westbound and morning eastbound, I believe mainly as a continuation of STL<—>LGW; between ~1988-1995 all three frequencies were operated by MD-80s most of the year, with the 767 (occasionally an L-1011) only appearing during the summer

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Old May 21, 19, 10:42 pm
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Yippeee! TWA was just a guess, albeit after thinking hard.

Looking at that schedule above, it wasn't too friendly for Seattle residents until the 3rd frequency started. When there was only two frequencies, the afternoon one would be good for those wanting to go to STL, but a little late for connections. The red eye is ok for connections but very tiring.

With two frequencies, the first STL departure is fine for St. Louis residents but a little early for connections in STL.

Growing up, I had 3 favorite airlines, United, Northwest, and TWA.

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Old May 21, 19, 11:28 pm
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TW scheduled all their West Coast redeyes to connect to the bank of eastbound flights departing ~0700-0730; the first arrivals from the east coast (and places like DTW/CMH/DAY/SDF/IND/CHI and Florida) blocked in ~0745-0815 to enable passengers to get to LAX/SAN/SFO/LAS/PHX/ONT/SEA by noon

I was on the SEA-STL redeye Thurs before Memorial Day weekend of 1979, connecting to DCA; returned on Tues evening
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Old May 21, 19, 11:33 pm
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If I had my way, when AA acquired TWA, they would have used the TWA name to replace the American name. Delta would have kept the Northwest name, primarily to capitalize on the NW name in Asia as opposed to the unknown Delta name. Either that or somehow get the Pan Am name in 1991.

Only Texas International and Continental got it right by keeping the United name. Too bad they didn't keep the tulip.
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Old Jun 1, 19, 7:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf View Post
Seattle is a major market on the US West Coast but TWA didn't serve SEA for decades.
That was true of many airlines and markets until after deregulation in 1978, TWA starting this route the following year. Until then TWA, and others, had been broadly serving what they had laid down in the early 1930s, which was New York to LA via points along the way, including St Louis. They got a route from St Louis down to Florida in the 1950s, and of course, after having had a major transatlantic contract from the government during WW2, they kept that going and it was the foundation of their European services, but otherwise that was that.

American didn't do Seattle either until the same time. For transcontinental service until 1978 there it was only United and Northwest, once again reflecting pre-WW2 patterns (and Northwest's Asian routes had exactly the same origins as TWA's European ones, they were just in the right place in Seattle at the right time).
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Old Jun 2, 19, 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf View Post

Only Texas International and Continental got it right by keeping the United name. Too bad they didn't keep the tulip.
Ah, not to belabor the point, but I believe there are lots of folks out there who would disagree.

I also think Continental had two "golden ages": the time when Bob Six ran the airline and later when Gordon Bethune and his team turned CO around. I had the good fortune to fly with the airline during both of these time periods. Continental was a wonderful airline and it was a sad day for me when the merger with UA was announced.
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Ah, not to belabor the point, but I believe there are lots of folks out there who would disagree.
I also think Continental had two "golden ages": the time when Bob Six ran the airline and later when Gordon Bethune and his team turned CO around. I had the good fortune to fly with the airline during both of these time periods. Continental was a wonderful airline and it was a sad day for me when the merger with UA was announced.
You may be right. CO was great, then it was a disaster, then it came back.
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Old Jun 4, 19, 11:41 am
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If you like (or can remember) DC-3s, they are here this week

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