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Old Aug 13, 2012, 8:50 am
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We will begin with the restating of a previous question I recently posed that remains unanswered.....

1) It has been established on this thread that both American Airlines and TWA operated nonstop flights between STL and HNL at different times over the years. Transamerica Airlines also offered service between STL and HNL with B747 equipment; however, these flights were not nonstop but direct in nature as stops were made at either DFW or at both DFW and LAX.

There was also a third airline that operated nonstop service between STL and HNL. Identify the carrier and the aircraft type used. And here's a hint: the westbound service from St. Louis to Hawaii actually originated in a city located in the eastern U.S. Identify this city for extra bonus points.

2) No less than ten (10) different airlines operated jet service from Santa Barbara (SBA) in the past. None of them currently do so now. Some operators were merged into other carriers. Others withdrew service from the market. And others simply went out of business. Identify all ten airlines and the respective jet aircraft types they operated.

3) Name three (3) U.S. based airlines that flew Honolulu (HNL) - Vancouver (YVR) nonstops. Also identify the equipment they used.

4) This airline operated nonstop service between New Orleans (MSY) and Maracaibo, Venezuela (MAR). Identify the air carrier and the aircraft type used for the service.

5) It's the summer of 1983 and you find yourself in Asuncion, Paraguay (ASU) on a Friday night with local friends celebrating the conclusion of a successful business trip. However, you need to be in New Orleans (MSY) by Monday morning for yet another business meeting. So you need to depart on Saturday morning. You have discovered that you can fly direct with no change of plane in first class from ASU to MSY; however, there are no less than four (4) en route stops. Identify the airline, the aircraft type used and all of the intermediate stops.

6) It's the winter of 1987 and you need to travel on business from Stockton, CA (SCK) to Minot, ND (MOT). Now, you really do not want to go to Minot as you know it will most likely be very cold in North Dakota! So, to take the sting out the trip, you decide you want to fly in first class on board a jet with no change of plane. What airline would you choose and what type of aircraft would you fly on? Here's a hint: this flight made two (2) intermediate stops en route. Identify these two stops for extra bonus points.

7) This Canadian airline operated a seasonal weekend nonstop service during the late winter of 1979 with a wide body aircraft from Toronto (YYZ) to Winnipeg (YWG). This flight then continued on nonstop to an international destination. Identify the airline, the aircraft type used and the name of the international destination.

8) It's the fall of 1979 and you need to make the short hop from Dallas/Ft. Worth (DFW) to Shreveport (SHV). You want to fly on jet equipment and you have your choice of two (2) airlines. Identify both air carriers and the respective aircraft they flew on this route.

Also in the fall of 1979, how many jet flights did Air Florida operate between Miami (MIA) and Key West (EYW) on a typical weekday? Also identify the jet aircraft type.

10) It's the still the fall of 1979 and you need to make the short hop from Miami (MIA) to West Palm Beach (PBI). You want to fly on a wide body aircraft and you have a choice of two (2) airlines. Identify both air carriers and the type of wide body jetliners they flew on the route.

11) It's the late summer of 1963 and you have a business meeting you must attend in San Antonio. Your present location is Manhattan. You've discovered that one airline flies direct with no change of plane from Newark (EWR) to San Antonio (SAT). And even better, this carrier offers a special first class service on board your favorite turboprop airliner. Coach service is available as well, but, of course, you'll be in the front cabin. You also like the fact there are three (3) intermediate stops en route as you love the landings and takeoffs while on board the latest version of this airplane. Identify the airline, the aircraft type, the name of the special first class service and all three intermediate stops.

12) In the spring of 1984, this airline created a hub operation in New Orleans (MSY). Nonstop flights were offered to FLL, LAS, LAX, LIT, MIA, MCI, MCO, OKC and PIE. Four (4) different jet aircraft types were flown. Identify the airline and the equipment this carrier operated.

13) What airline called their Super DC-8-63 aircraft the "Spacemaster"?

14) What airline offered "Fiesta Spaceship" service on board their wide body aircraft? Also identify the equipment.

15) Name an airline that operated BAe 146 service nonstop between Los Angeles (LAX) and Aspen (ASE).

16) Name an airline that operated DC-10 service twice a week nonstop between Miami (MIA) and Nassau (NAS).

17) It's the winter of 1976 and you've just received a phone call from an old buddy who has just purchased a 46' catamaran in Grand Turk (GDT) in the British West Indies. "So how about a little sailing adventure down here, amigo?", he asks over the phone and, of course, you're in! But how to get there? Your location is San Francisco and you need to fly in first class from SFO to MIA on Friday night in order to connect to a flight on Saturday morning that is operated with a classic prop airliner by another airline from MIA to GDT. Name both airlines and the respective aircraft types they operated on these services.

18) It's still the winter of 1976 and you've been invited to go on a skiing trip in northern New Mexico after your great sailing adventure off Grand Turk. Your location is Dallas and you need to swing by Albuquerque to pick up a good friend before you drive north to Taos. You've identified three (3) airlines that operate DFW-ABQ nonstop service. Name all three airlines and the aircraft types they flew on the route.

19) It's the spring of 1981 and you need to travel from Dallas/Ft. Worth to Milwaukee (MKE). You have your choice of two airlines operating nonstop service. Identify both airlines and type of equipment they flew on the route.

20) It's the first weekend in April in 1981 and you've been working on a project on-site in Chicago. You would really like to get away for the weekend and play golf with an old friend in Palm Springs. But you need to travel to Dallas/Ft. Worth as well for a very quick meeting concerning another upcoming project. You figure this meeting in Dallas will take no more than an hour and can be conducted at an airline lounge at DFW. So you decide to do both with the following travel conditions:

1. All of your travel will be on the same airline.

2. You would also like to travel in first class on each flight but if possible travel on different aircraft types on each leg.

3. Each leg must also be nonstop.

4. Your route of flight must be ORD to PSP to DFW to ORD.

5. You need to leave on Saturday morning and be back in Chicago by late Sunday night after staying in Palm Springs on Saturday night.

What airline would you travel on? Also identify the three (3) different aircraft types by leg.



Good Morning All!

Hats off to the good people of Great Britain in general and London in particular with regard to the complete success of the Olympic games! Very well done! ^ :-: ^

And with that, the above questions in bold remain unanswered.....

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Old Aug 13, 2012, 10:25 am
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Originally Posted by Wally Bird
.... if you're ever in Vancouver...
last time was, alas, 3 years ago, in the worst snowstorm for a decade, ending with a brilliant departure through it all by British Airways which you can read about here:

http://www.pprune.org/passengers-slf...-done-all.html

Thank you jlemon for the London comments. The Olympics Marathon I referred to above passed spectacularly, we were watching here if that interests you (Squirrel park to the left)
http://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=51.5110...107.22,,0,3.78

and aviation helped as the course passed about three miles each side of us, there were three laps, so they passed us six times, and progress of the leaders could be easily followed by watching the TV helicopter in the sky. Oh, and speaking of hats off, I wish Id had a hat on. Now sunburned on top of the head.

Alex Frater, in his brilliant book "Beyond the Blue Horizon", which all here should read, went in about 1985 to recreate the route of the old Empire Flying Boats from 50 years previously, stopping at all the same points along the way and comparing old and new accounts of places, including of course many mentions of timetables. Anyway, on the very last page he is back on the steps of St Pauls Cathedral in London, and wrote he looked up and just saw a BAe146 slipping across the sky. So it was more than a little appropriate that yesterday, standing on London's Embankment within sight of St Pauls, just as the Marathon race leader approached, a Swiss 146 turned overhead us at 2,000 feet for an easterly final approach into London City.

Originally Posted by jlemon
TriStar Airlines with BAe 146-200 aircraft featuring very tight six abreast seating in an all coach config.
6-across is the standard for the 146 around the world, with the exception of the USA where it has been found too cramped. Now I'm not saying anything about national stereotypes ! A number of the US Air and Northwest aircraft that came back to Europe were refitted with 6-across seats, without real issue.

Originally Posted by Wally Bird
...I once, many, many years ago had Dinky Toys #62w "Frobisher"...
Just to round off about the De Havilland Albatross, alias the Frobisher class. The old Imperial Airways ordered two grand 4-engined designs off the drawing board in the late 1930s, the all-aluminium Armstrong Whitworth Ensign, and the still wooden-built (using a balsa frame), fast, De Havilland Albatross. The latter was regarded by many as something of an anachronistic joke, but the Ensign turned out to be the 787 of its day, years late, overweight, unreliable, all of that, so it was the elegant Albatross that got there first on its high speed runs to Paris, and surprisingly long mail runs to Cairo and beyond. It did have a habit of breaking clean in two in a couple of heavy landings, there are several photographs of this, but two weeks work by the carpenters and it was back in the air again. It formed the precursor to De Havillands classic WW2 bomber, the Mosquito, which again was laughed at until it was finally realised that it carried the bomb load of a B17 at a speed that the fighters couldnt catch. BOAC also had a few Mosquitos, used for all sorts of clandestine passenger flights. The only real restriction was the resources needed for the volume timber frame construction; several major furniture manufacturers and even piano factories were engaged as subcontractors using their carpentry shops. This all started, anyway, with the Albatross. One never made it across the Atlantic. In the US youve probably never heard of it. Too bad.
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Old Aug 13, 2012, 11:06 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon
7) This Canadian airline operated a seasonal weekend nonstop service during the late winter of 1979 with a wide body aircraft from Toronto (YYZ) to Winnipeg (YWG). This flight then continued on nonstop to an international destination. Identify the airline, the aircraft type used and the name of the international destination.

Sounds like something Wardair would do -- they had a DC-10 and a couple of 747s at that time -- as for the international destination I would have guessed Amsterdam, but since you specified winter, I'd pick a warmer destination -- HNL?


8) It's the fall of 1979 and you need to make the short hop from Dallas/Ft. Worth (DFW) to Shreveport (SHV). You want to fly on jet equipment and you have your choice of two (2) airlines. Identify both air carriers and the respective aircraft they flew on this route.

Delta with DC-9s and 727-200s; TI using DC-9s.

9) Also in the fall of 1979, how many jet flights did Air Florida operate between Miami (MIA) and Key West (EYW) on a typical weekday? Also identify the jet aircraft type.

This is a guess -- three or four with 737s (they also had a couple of flights with Martin 404s). Interestingly, only two years earlier it was only Air Sunshine (AG) with about 8 or 9 flights per day using DC-3s.

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Originally Posted by WHBM
Alex Frater, in his brilliant book "Beyond the Blue Horizon", which all here should read, went in about 1985 to recreate the route of the old Empire Flying Boats from 50 years previously, stopping at all the same points along the way and comparing old and new accounts of places, including of course many mentions of timetables. Anyway, on the very last page he is back on the steps of St Pauls Cathedral in London, and wrote he looked up and just saw a BAe146 slipping across the sky. So it was more than a little appropriate that yesterday, standing on London's Embankment within sight of St Pauls, just as the Marathon race leader approached, a Swiss 146 turned overhead us at 2,000 feet for an easterly final approach into London City.
In addition to being a first rate airline historian, you're also a fine salesman. Upon reading the above referenced comments I went right over to Amazon and purchased a copy of this book. It looks like a great read. Thanks!

Squirrel Update: Last year I went online and purchased some "Squirrel Be Gone!" type powder, apparently infused with the scent of some predator's urine that would cause squirrels to think twice before setting up shop in my cabin. The reviews I'd read on this product were good and so I sprinkled and sprayed it liberally about the cabin exterior expecting that my squirrel problem would shortly be but a distant memory. Well, the local red tree squirrels apparently didn't think much of that product at all as the assault on my cabin continued unabated. It should be noted that because they'd nested there prior to my having moved in, the cabin is apparently "marked" and now is a natural attractant to squirrels desiring better accommodations than can be found in the local witches broom or spruce rust found throughout the black spruce forest I live in. Further research on the internet revealed that squirrels don't like hot, spicy things. I remembered the scene from "Cool Hand Luke" where Paul Newman's character instructs a local kid to sprinkle chilli powder around a barn to help cover his tracks as well as provide some entertainment for the kid as the hounds sniffed it up. Ever hopeful for similar results, I put together a concoction of Cayenne and White peppers and distributed them liberally. Alas, the squirrels seemed unaffected. Now I'm spraying ammonia. So far as I know, I'm about the only one in the region attempting to use non-lethal methods. Everyone else recommends .22 caliber lead poisoning. Since I don't own any guns, I went out and purchased a BB gun. Squirrels that have taken an inordinate amount of interest in my place, i.e. those that have moved or attempted to move in, get the BB. I've become a pretty darned good shot over the past year and though I'm more than willing to blast the squirrels into oblivion, my preference remains the non-lethal approach.
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Thank you, WHBM, for the beautiful panoramic photo of your vantage point for the Olympics Marathon!

I see what appears to be the HMS Wellington moored across the street in the Thames with her deck guns apparently removed. I also note that "HMS" has been replaced with "HQS". Would you care to elaborate with regard to what "HQS" stands for, good sir?!
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And roger that, Seat 2A, with regard to the non-lethal approach concerning your ongoing squirrel situation!

I have not voluntarily hunted in many years as I do not wish to kill anything these days - and I've even been known to humanely escort certain insects from the inside of our home to the great outdoors where they belong! However, I do draw the line with cockroaches that manage to slip indoors as well as fire ants and their nests outside on our lawn! Those two lawless insect types are always dealt with in a very final manner!

But I do sympathize with your squirrel infestation and realize that, sometimes, one must do what one must do. We encountered the same situation here recently at the country home of my fiancee's sister. She and her husband (who is one of my best friends) live on 400 acres in a nearby parish that is located not too far from the LFT airport. A small river adjoins their property. And an alligator measuring approximately twelve feet in length had become something more than a minor nuisance. In fact, this particular beast darn near killed their chocolate labrador and had also made threatening moves toward some of kids playing by the river as well. Something had to be done in order for tragedy and disaster to be averted. So my very good friend and I, respectively equipped with an AR-15 and an old WWII Mauser rifle, took care of the situation in a very final way. We really did not want to do this but felt it was necessary. And I am now back to escorting innocent insects from our home.
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I see what appears to be the HMS Wellington moored across the street in the Thames with her deck guns apparently removed. I also note that "HMS" has been replaced with "HQS". Would you care to elaborate with regard to what "HQS" stands for, good sir?!
I will be driving along that very street in about 30 minutes !

It's the old navy ship Wellington, which has been tied up there as long as I've been in London, in fact a great deal longer. HMS is a British navy ship, it's not one of those any more so it's been unofficially called HQS for HeadQuarters Ship. It belongs to one of the City of London "Livery Companies", the one for those involved in the maritime world. Livery Companies (there's about 30) are hundreds of years old, there's one for every old trade, it's an Old Boys (mostly) club for social and business get-togethers at a high level, doing good charitable work, etc. Members nowadays (very much by invitation only, and a considerable honour) of this one will be key directors of major shipping companies (still lots based in London) and such like. There's a huge membership fee. Most have grand traditional buildings, although a number of these were unfortunately lost in WW2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Wellington

If you peek through the trees and over the rear decks of the Wellington in that picture, you can just see on the opposite shore of the Thames the building (the "Oxo" building) in whose restaurant on the top floor we had our wedding reception , so the Wellington's opposite side appears in the far background of a number of our photos from then as well !
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16) DC10 service twice weekly (FRI/SUN) between MIA and NAS was on Western Airlines. This was part of a LAX/MIA/NAS/MIA/LAX trip.
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16) DC10 service twice weekly (FRI/SUN) between MIA and NAS was on Western Airlines. This was part of a LAX/MIA/NAS/MIA/LAX trip.
Correct!
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Looks like Alex Frater owes me a beer. Again

OK, back to old airline questions. Now I have here a yellowing pre-war July 1939 ABC Airline Guide, precursor of the OAG and (obviously) ABC World Airways. They will be oddball questions, but we can have some fun with guesses.

1. London to Glasgow. 3 flights a day. Fastest with 2 stops (3 hours), slowest with 5 stops (4 hours). Airline, aircraft, stops, where did it leave from in London, and a real guess, what was the round trip fare ?

2. London to Aberdeen, one flight a day (southbound in the morning, back in the afternoon) by a different airline to the Glasgow flight with 3 different stops. Airline, aircraft type and stops ?

3. Nowadays its well known among us lot that the shortest flight in the world is by a Britten-Norman Islander of Loganair in the Orkney Islands in Scotland, Westray to Papa Westray, 2 miles (less than the length of Heathrow runways) across open sea. In 1939 there wasnt a strip on Papa Westray, but there was on Westray, and there was a daily flight to Kirkwall, the main Orkney town, just like nowadays. Airline and aircraft in 1939 ?

4. Theres a daily Italian flight from London to Turin (that was quite a haul for those days), Milan and Venice. Airline and aircraft ?

5. Theres another daily flight at 2 pm from London to Basle and Zurich n Switzerland. Airline and aircraft type and who actually assembled the aircraft ? And a final question, when did you last see one ?

6. Theres a service between two London airports (yes, really), although the timetable was apparently made up on the day. You can go one way, and come back on the bus (I read once of someone who used to take their bicycle on board, to ride back !). Which two airports ?

7. Finally, theres a night mail service from London at 10 pm to Cologne, Hanover and Berlin, passing the opposite flight which arrives into London at 5.25 in the morning. Very precise. Its surprising there was sufficient air mail to justify this, but there you go. Who operated this, what aircraft, and why did it have such a large flight crew ?

8. The first air service (also air mail) from Britain to the USA starts during this 1939 timetable. There are two separate and competing airlines. Who was first westbound, where did it leave from in the UK, and why was that point chosen ?
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4) Daily flight London-Turin (1939). This looks to be service via Paris on Avio Linee Italiane with further service to Milan and Venice. The 1939 Imperial Airways timetable shows service with "Fiat air liners" The Avio timetable shows an image of the Fiat aircraft--Fiat A 80 RC 41"-- twin engined, and roughly the same size as a DC3. Leaving London at 9:15am (Croydon) arrive Paris at 10:30; leave 10:55am, arrive Turin at 13:20. Return service left Turin at 10;30am, and back in London at 14:40. Fiat Aircraft is noted as "Fiat G18V" in above timetable.

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Here is my response to the answers provided above by miniliq to questions 7), 8) and 9).....

7) HNL is correct with regard to the international destination as a YYZ-YWG-HNL routing was flown once a week on the weekends in the late winter of 1979 with a B747. However, the airline was actually CP Air.

8) Delta is correct with B727-200 service; however, DL was not flying the DC-9-30 DFW-SHV at this time. Instead, seven (7) daily DFW-SHV flights were operated exclusively with 72S equipment. Most of these flights continued on eastward to ATL via one or more intermediate stops in such places at BHM, BTR, JAN, MLU (birthplace of Delta!), etc., etc.

And as for the other airline? It was actually Frontier with twice a day B737-200 service as Texas International did not serve the DFW-SHV market at this time. Actual routings of both FL flights were DEN-DFW-SHV.

9) Close enough to be termed correct! In the fall of 1979, Air Florida operated a total of five (5) flights on a typical day MIA-EYW with B737-200 equipment via the short 4800 foot runway at Key West.
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A
Squirrel Update: Last year I went online and purchased some "Squirrel Be Gone!" type powder, apparently infused with the scent of some predator's urine that would cause squirrels to think twice before setting up shop in my cabin. The reviews I'd read on this product were good and so I sprinkled and sprayed it liberally about the cabin exterior expecting that my squirrel problem would shortly be but a distant memory. Well, the local red tree squirrels apparently didn't think much of that product at all as the assault on my cabin continued unabated. It should be noted that because they'd nested there prior to my having moved in, the cabin is apparently "marked" and now is a natural attractant to squirrels desiring better accommodations than can be found in the local witches broom or spruce rust found throughout the black spruce forest I live in. Further research on the internet revealed that squirrels don't like hot, spicy things. I remembered the scene from "Cool Hand Luke" where Paul Newman's character instructs a local kid to sprinkle chilli powder around a barn to help cover his tracks as well as provide some entertainment for the kid as the hounds sniffed it up. Ever hopeful for similar results, I put together a concoction of Cayenne and White peppers and distributed them liberally. Alas, the squirrels seemed unaffected.
This is degenerating into an Animal Encounters Episode -- I think you also mentioned mothballs in an earlier post. Which reminds me of a friend who had heard that mothballs would discourage one of our local pests -- crawfish (or mudbugs as we know them -- jlemon probably has had this problem) from building their little mounds in his backyard. He stuffed mothballs down a couple of dozen mounds, but next morning found each of them perched on the lip of the mound where they had been pushed out.
So much for that grand plan. Of course crawfish are a delicacy around here, but I wish they'd leave my backyard and go somewhere else.
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4) Daily flight London-Turin (1939). This looks to be service via Paris on Avio Linee Italiane with further service to Milan and Venice. The 1939 Imperial Airways timetable shows service with "Fiat air liners" The Avio timetable shows an image of the Fiat aircraft--Fiat A 80 RC 41"-- twin engined, and roughly the same size as a DC3. Leaving London at 9:15am (Croydon) arrive Paris at 10:30; leave 10:55am, arrive Turin at 13:20. Return service left Turin at 10;30am, and back in London at 14:40. Fiat Aircraft is noted as "Fiat G18V" in above timetable.
Spot on by cs57. Not so spot on by my 1939 ABC, it seems, as they missed out showing the Paris stop shown in the airline's own material (I should have spotted this), although the times elsewhere are exactly the same so it was obviously included. In those days printed timetables worked to deadlines months ahead of the issue date, and mismatches are common. The aircraft was a Fiat G18V - the A80RC41 was actually the engine type which was fitted. It was an 18-seater, I would say more a DC2 than a DC3. Aircraft, engines, and indeed the ownership of ALI were all by Fiat, as a result of which Turin, Fiat's HQ, was a little hub for their services which spread northwards across Europe. Contemporary accounts of their arrivals at London Croydon state that the passenger loads were rarely more than a handful, and quite often nobody at all and maybe just a couple of boxes of freight; never mind, there were "other reasons" for European governments of the time to subsidise developing extensive experience of routing over to London etc ! Their daily routes included Turin-Cannes-Marseilles, so going back a few pages here that would have been a twice-daily departure 75 years ago in front of that beach I frequented last month

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.18

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Originally Posted by WHBM

5. Theres another daily flight at 2 pm from London to Basle and Zurich n Switzerland. Airline and aircraft type and who actually assembled the aircraft ? And a final question, when did you last see one ?
I'd guess this is a Swissair DC-3 -- which I thought was assembled in California; in an earlier post there was some discussion about HS-IBC, in Swissair livery, which has been featured in airshows, and may still be flying. I haven't seen it, but someone else in this thread has.
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