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Old Apr 10, 19, 6:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
12. You’re all set to fly to from Chicago to Billings, Montana for the weekend. Unfortunately, a couple of things have come up at the office that mean you’ll have to switch from your 100p nonstop to something a bit later. A call to your travel agent reveals that unfortunately, no seats are available in any class to Billings until early this evening. But wait! If you can get over to Chicago’s lightly used Midway Airport, there’s a two stop flight departing at 220pm. It’s even got some larger seats up in the front of the aircraft. Book it, Danno! Identify the usual triumvirate, including the two stops enroute.
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The flight did go through Omaha and was also operated with a 737-200. It did not go through Denver however, and it was not operated by United. So armed with this additional information, I expect the truth shall be revealed very shortly.
12- Frontier is the only possibility for the airline ... not much in the way of airports between OMA and BIL that might have seen a 737 except Lincoln (LNK) and Rapid City (RAP); I sure can't imagine FL -- or anyone -- operating LNK-BIL, so RAP it is

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3. (1970) An old college friend has invited you to join her and six of your classmates at a mini-reunion on the big island of Hawaii. Can you make it? A quick glance out the window of your Manhattan loft at the wintry gray day makes this an easy decision. From JFK, there is a single two-stop direct flight departing each Saturday morning. A change of gauge is required enroute but First Class is available all the way through. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, aircraft involved and the routing (including the aircraft switch point) ...
We need a new routing that doesn't include PDX or SEA or MSP.
3- I will weigh in here with a 727-251 JFK-Chicago (ORD), then a 747 for ORD-HNL-ITO
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Old Apr 10, 19, 8:19 pm
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Thank you for the additional detail, W - it's always appreciated . After Thai International, there weren't a lot of DC-8-63 operators around continental Southeast Asia. The only other one I was aware of was Singapore's Saber Air. Now you've got me looking around to see if any postcards have been issued of Air Siam's -63. Perhaps it was flown in a hybrid livery (which I don't collect)
Here it is. Like the rest of Air Siam's fleet, it was leased in, in its case aircraft N863F from Overseas National from April 71 to Jan 72,, and flown by ONA crews. The paint scheme differs from other Air Siam ones but is their own; it's ONA blue but has a straight cheatline with edge stripes down the fuselage, instead of ONA's tapering one, and a specific Air Siam logo on the tail.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/6231669

Photo by it's ONA captain on the first run.

The One-Eleven had a different logo again, but had the cheatline repainted into their blue, titles in English one side and in THai script on the other.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=9V...=1554948904469

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Old Apr 11, 19, 8:36 am
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12. You’re all set to fly to from Chicago to Billings, Montana for the weekend. Unfortunately, a couple of things have come up at the office that mean you’ll have to switch from your 100p nonstop to something a bit later. A call to your travel agent reveals that unfortunately, no seats are available in any class to Billings until early this evening. But wait! If you can get over to Chicago’s lightly used Midway Airport, there’s a two stop flight departing at 220pm. It’s even got some larger seats up in the front of the aircraft. Book it, Danno! Identify the usual triumvirate, including the two stops enroute....
The flight did go through Omaha and was also operated with a 737-200. It did not go through Denver however, and it was not operated by United. So armed with this additional information, I expect the truth shall be revealed very shortly.

Frontier is the only possibility for the airline ... not much in the way of airports between OMA and BIL that might have seen a 737 except Lincoln (LNK) and Rapid City (RAP); I sure can't imagine FL -- or anyone -- operating LNK-BIL, so RAP it is.

Way to deduce it down to the final answer, J. Frontier and RAP it is. Check it out!

Frontier FL 105 Chicago (MDW) 220p-332p Omaha (OMA) 355p-403p Rapid City (RAP) 420p-512p Billings (BIL) 737-200 Daily

3. An old college friend has invited you to join her and six of your classmates at a mini-reunion on the big island of Hawaii. Can you make it? A quick glance out the window of your Manhattan loft at the wintry gray day makes this an easy decision. From JFK, there is a single two-stop direct flight departing each Saturday morning. A change of gauge is required enroute but First Class is available all the way through. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, aircraft involved and the routing (including the aircraft switch point) ...
We need a new routing that doesn't include PDX or SEA or MSP.

I will weigh in here with a 727-251 JFK-Chicago (ORD), then a 747 for ORD-HNL-ITO

Sorry, J - you might have missed some of the dialogue with Toshbaf wherein we determined that a 747 and 707 were involved. However, your routing is spot on. At this point I could leave this one out there to be completed, but at this point the answer is so glaringly obvious that I'll go ahead and clear it off. Here's the schedule:

Northwest NW 17 New York (JFK) 825a-952a B Chicago (ORD) 1100a-400p L/S Honolulu (HNL) 445p-530p Hilo (ITO) Sa only
JFK-ORD-HNL = 747
HNL-ITO = 707
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Old Apr 11, 19, 8:44 am
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Only four left. Let's finish this off!

NOTE: You have about 1 hour remaining to supply answers with a chance of a timely response, i.e. until about 1145a MDT (-6:00 GMT) After that, I'm off to the train station to catch the Sunset Limited to Lafayette. I won't have internet access again until late Saturday evening - April 13th

The following quiz item has a time line of the autumn of 1970

14. Working solely from schedules published in the North American edition of the OAG, I have found five different international flights into the U.S. that are each operated with a unique aircraft type that was manufactured outside of the U.S. Each flight is operated by a different foreign airline and in each case, the route is the only route into the U.S. using that aircraft type. In other words, you will find only one – not two – routes into the U.S. operated by say, a Dassault Mercure. And again, we are working only with schedules published in the North American OAG. So then, if you’re up for it, identify each of the five routes, airlines and aircraft types.
A N S W E R E D

21. (1973) The airline you usually fly between Detroit and New Orleans is on strike. So it is that you find yourself booked on a two-stop late afternoon departure. This airline utilizes an aircraft that until recently was not operated by your usual airline on the DTW-MSY route. As an added bonus, two dinners and a snack will be served along the way. Identify the airline, the two stops and the aircraft type.
A N S W E R E D

The following quiz items have a time line from the summer of 1972

23. Aside from Delta’s flights, if you wanted to fly aboard a Convair 880 out of Miami during the summer of 1972, only one other airline offered scheduled flights. Identify that airline and the destination it served.
It's not LANICA or VIASA... But it is from a Central American country and the airline's name was an acronym

32. Identify this airline that simultaneously operated three different types of four-engine narrow bodied jetliners - each built in a different country
The Concorde was not one of the airplanes

32B: BONUS QUESTION: Name another airline that operated not three, not four BUT FIVE different types of four engine narrow bodied jetliners - but NOT all at the same time.
BOAC/BA has been identified so far. There's at least one more...

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Old Apr 11, 19, 9:25 am
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The following quiz item has a time line of the autumn of 1970

14. Working solely from schedules published in the North American edition of the OAG, I have found five different international flights into the U.S. that are each operated with a unique aircraft type that was manufactured outside of the U.S. Each flight is operated by a different foreign airline and in each case, the route is the only route into the U.S. using that aircraft type. In other words, you will find only one – not two – routes into the U.S. operated by say, a Dassault Mercure. And again, we are working only with schedules published in the North American OAG. So then, if you’re up for it, identify each of the five routes, airlines and aircraft types.
Here's what we have so far...
  1. Air France, Caravelle, Port Au Prince (PAP) to Miami (MIA) Correct! Air France AF 240 Port Au Prince (PAP) 1115a-120p L Miami (MIA) Caravelle Daily
  2. CSA Czech Airlines, IL-62, Montreal (YUL) - JFK Correct! CSA OK 598 Montreal (YUL) 210p-330p New York (JFK) IL62 Monday only
  3. BOAC, VC-10, Bermuda (BDA) - New York (JFK) Correct! BOAC BA 491 Bermuda (BDA) 745p-900p D New York (JFK) VC10 Daily
  4. Cayman Airways BAC 1-11, Grand Cayman (GCM) - Miami (MIA) Correct aircraft and routing ~ incorrect airline
  5. Mexicana, Comet 4, Guadalajara (GDL) - San Antonio (SAT) Correct! Mexicana MX 902 Guadalajara (GDL) 105p-250p San Antonio (SAT) DH-106 Comet 4 Daily
The following quiz item has a time line of the first quarter of 1973

21. The airline you usually fly between Detroit and New Orleans is on strike. So it is that you find yourself booked on a two-stop late afternoon departure. This airline utilizes an aircraft that until recently was not operated by your usual airline on the DTW-MSY route. As an added bonus, two dinners and a snack will be served along the way. Identify the airline, the two stops and the aircraft type.
It was neither Delta nor a DC-9-10
14.4 LACSA....and the aircraft may have actually been a BAC One-Eleven series 500

21. Wild guess time.....Braniff International operating a 727 with stops in Kansas City and Dallas/Fort Worth
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Old Apr 11, 19, 10:26 am
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The following quiz item has a time line of the autumn of 1970

14. Working solely from schedules published in the North American edition of the OAG, I have found five different international flights into the U.S. that are each operated with a unique aircraft type that was manufactured outside of the U.S. Each flight is operated by a different foreign airline and in each case, the route is the only route into the U.S. using that aircraft type. In other words, you will find only one – not two – routes into the U.S. operated by say, a Dassault Mercure. And again, we are working only with schedules published in the North American OAG. So then, if you’re up for it, identify each of the five routes, airlines and aircraft types.

LACSA....and the aircraft may have actually been a BAC One-Eleven series 500
  1. Air France, Caravelle, Port Au Prince (PAP) to Miami (MIA) Correct! Air France AF 240 Port Au Prince (PAP) 1115a-120p L Miami (MIA) Caravelle Daily
  2. CSA Czech Airlines, IL-62, Montreal (YUL) - JFK Correct! CSA OK 598 Montreal (YUL) 210p-330p New York (JFK) IL62 Monday only
  3. BOAC, VC-10, Bermuda (BDA) - New York (JFK) Correct! BOAC BA 491 Bermuda (BDA) 745p-900p D New York (JFK) VC10 Daily
  4. LACSA BAC 1-11, Grand Cayman (GCM) - Miami (MIA) Correct! LACSA LR 622 Grand Cayman (GCM) 610p-730p Miami (MIA) BAC-111 X23
  5. Mexicana, Comet 4, Guadalajara (GDL) - San Antonio (SAT) Correct! Mexicana MX 902 Guadalajara (GDL) 105p-250p San Antonio (SAT) DH-106 Comet 4 Daily
The following quiz item has a time line of the first quarter of 1973

21. The airline you usually fly between Detroit and New Orleans is on strike. So it is that you find yourself booked on a two-stop late afternoon departure. This airline utilizes an aircraft that until recently was not operated by your usual airline on the DTW-MSY route. As an added bonus, two dinners and a snack will be served along the way. Identify the airline, the two stops and the aircraft type.
It was neither Delta nor a DC-9-10

Wild guess time.....Braniff International operating a 727 with stops in Kansas City and Dallas/Fort Worth

That's the ticket. Here's the schedule:

Braniff BN 405 Detroit (DTW) 525p-605p D Kansas City (MCI) 630p-745p D Dallas (DAL) 815p-920p New Orleans (MSY) 727-100 X6
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After that, I'm off to the train station to catch the Sunset Limited to Lafayette.....
Ah, the Sunset Limited.....actual passenger rail service three days a week from ol' El Paso all the way to Lafayette via San Antone and Hoo-ston....and formerly operated way back in the day by the good old Southern Pacific Railroad between L.A. and New Orleans (special thanks to Neil Young for his song "Southern Pacific" recorded with the band Crazy Horse on the Re-ac-tor album).......

Next stop.....exotic Alpine in a somewhat mountainous area of West Texas (gateway to Big Bend National Park!).....

Alllll a-boaaaaaaard !!!

And speaking of New Orleans....

The City of New Orleans announced today that the opening of the new passenger terminal at MSY will be delayed from May 15 to sometime during the "fall of 2019". The reason? According to Mayor LaToya Cantrell, "The fact is: it is not ready......."
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Old Apr 11, 19, 11:30 am
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Ah, the Sunset Limited.....actual passenger rail service three days a week from ol' El Paso all the way to Lafayette via San Antone and Hoo-ston....and formerly operated way back in the day by the good old Southern Pacific Railroad between L.A. and New Orleans (special thanks to Neil Young for his song concerning SP).......

Next stop.....exotic Alpine in a somewhat mountainous area of West Texas (gateway to Big Bend National Park!).....

Alllll a-boaaaaaaard !!!


The Sunset Limited
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Alllll a-boaaaaaaard !!!
From about 1:40 onwards. Not anything to do with airliners, sure. But well worth watching. Getting on the train at 3:20 is an absolute classic.
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Bon voyage!


32. Identify this airline that simultaneously operated three different types of four-engine narrow bodied jetliners

CAAC, 707, IL-62, BAe 146
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Bon voyage!


32. Identify this airline that simultaneously operated three different types of four-engine narrow bodied jetliners

CAAC, 707, IL-62, BAe 146
Another voyage from us, too, who yesterday repositioned several hours east to Dubai, courtesy of one of BA's oldest 777s, G-ZZZB, one of the original prototypes, still in pretty good condition. Little Miss WHBM's greatest delight were the chocolate ice creams handed out halfway through (way back in Y). Our resort is right next to Dubai's big skydiving centre, surprisingly in the middle of the urban area, and the drone from the climbing PT6s of a couple of old Twin Otters goes on for much of the day. They seem to have a very narrow column to climb in.

And a good shot at CAAC here as well, because their IL-62 and BAE146 overlapped by just a few months, before all the Ilyushns (the older type, with Kuznetsov rather than Soloviev engines, were all withdrawn together one day, apparently as much due to an inter-government feud between China and the Soviet Union over foreign exchange for spare parts as any other reason.
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Another voyage from us, too, who yesterday repositioned several hours east to Dubai, courtesy of one of BA's oldest 777s, G-ZZZB, one of the original prototypes, still in pretty good condition. .
In 2014, I was aboard BA's 777, G-VIIK. While waiting for other passengers to board, I looked it up. OMG! Someone died! Not just a heart attack but burned alive! While refueling in Denver, the hose connection wasn't tight. It broke away and there was a spark. The fuel man was burned alive. The plane suffered some burns, too and required repair. A few years later, G-VIIK was in a collision as it was pushed back at LHR damaging the fin of a BA A321.

I didn't want to cause alarm and quite possibly be taken off the plane if I yelled "OMG! This plane is cursed! A man was burned alive because of this plane! This plane was also in a collision! Yowwwwwww!"
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Another voyage from us, too, who yesterday repositioned several hours east to Dubai, courtesy of one of BA's oldest 777s, G-ZZZB, one of the original prototypes, still in pretty good condition. Little Miss WHBM's greatest delight were the chocolate ice creams handed out halfway through (way back in Y). Our resort is right next to Dubai's big skydiving centre, surprisingly in the middle of the urban area, and the drone from the climbing PT6s of a couple of old Twin Otters goes on for much of the day. They seem to have a very narrow column to climb in.....
Hope the trip with the family is going well.....and one week from today, I will be on board a Twin Otter for the first time in many years as Lady K and yours truly will be in the Caribbean arriving on the island of Saba followed by a visit four days later to the island of St. Barts.

Thus, we will have four short hops on Twin Otter aircraft operated by Winair via their small hub at SXM. And I'm sure we'll also manage a visit to the Sunset Beach Bar & Grill located at the western end of the runway at SXM.
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Hope the trip with the family is going well.....and one week from today, I will be on board a Twin Otter for the first time in many years as Lady K and yours truly will be in the Caribbean arriving on the island of Saba followed by a visit four days later to the island of St. Barts.

Thus, we will have four short hops on Twin Otter aircraft operated by Winair via their small hub at SXM. And I'm sure we'll also manage a visit to the Sunset Beach Bar & Grill located at the western end of the runway at SXM.
Can't resist responding to you and WHBM having such nice travels. Had to let you know that I'm still around, although noticeably slowing down -- Lady M and I are spending 12 days on a nostalgia trip to Rio de Janeiro where we lived for a couple of years 21 years ago. Our airline miles and hotel points are almost used up, but UA's 767 economy seating is 2-3-2 so we at least have a comfortable pair of seats to ourselves for iah-gig leg. I also did a pleasant weekend run msy-pty-pos-iah-msy a few months ago for another nostalgia run to a former jobsite. Hope we can do one or two more. Happy travels to y'all!
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Old Apr 15, 19, 8:48 am
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32. Identify this airline that simultaneously operated three different types of four-engine narrow bodied jetliners

CAAC, 707, IL-62, BAe 146

Nice job, Toshbaf!

Thanks also to WHBM for the on point color commentary

Now, can you (or anyone else) identify an airline that simultaneously operated three different types of four-engine narrow bodied jetliners with the following qualifications

1. None of them were regional jets or SSTs
2. Each was built on a different continent
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