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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion

Old Apr 5, 19, 4:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A View Post
BONUS QUESTION 18C: Can anyone here remember three even longer 727 flights within the U.S.? Each has been discussed here within the pages of the OTAQ&D

Presuming the baseline for "longer" is the 2290 miles on the CP Air YVR-YUL flight, the only one that comes immediately to mind is Northeast's LAX-FLL at 2343 miles

You are correct! Northeast operated both MIA-LAX and FLL-LAX with its 727-95. There is one more which I believe is the longest point to point segment on a scheduled flight within North America. We have discussed it here on the OTAQ&D previously...
18C- I updated my original post while you were answering it, so here's that guess ... just looked up gcmap distance for SFO-CLT (2296 miles), Piedmont with a 72S ... it's longer than the CP route, but not as long as NE, so we may still be looking for your objective answer
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Old Apr 5, 19, 5:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf View Post
KLM, DC-9

My guess is that by around 1980, KLM operated non-stops SXF - AMS.

EDIT: While posting, I see WHBM posted Aeroflot with an IL-62. I agree. I know KLM didn't start non-stop SXF-AMS until the late 1970's or early 1980's and a one stop in FRA is very unlikely.
I remember in the early 1970s seeing a weekly (?) KLM Electra flight AMS-SXF-WAW, with the Berlin stop not mentioned in the published timetable, no doubt to avoid upsetting the allies and West German government. Where would I have seen this? Possibly at the Amsterdam or East German airport or at a travel office in Berlin. It was probably in 1971, since that December I was returning from West Berlin to New York, had booked a cheap KLM round-trip from Amsterdam and was looking at how to get to Amsterdam. In 1971 getting to SXF for the KLM flight was probably too complicated or even disallowed, so I took the overnight (Soviet) sleeper (Moscow-Berlin-Hook of Holland) instead.

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Old Apr 5, 19, 5:59 pm
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11. Tampa, West Palm Beach, Ft. Lauderdale and Miami are well served with nonstop flights from Montreal. Alas, the same cannot be said for Jacksonville. There is at least a direct flight, one that makes a couple of stops enroute. A luncheon is served somewhere along the route however, so perhaps it won’t be so bad… Name the airline, the two enroute stops and the aircraft to be flown.

Northeast operating a DC9-30 "Yellowbird" with stops in Boston and Philadelphia

That's the ticket. Here's the sked:

Northeast NE 151 Montreal (YUL) 915a-1010a Boston (BOS) 1045a-1147a Philadelphia (PHL) 1215p-209p L Jacksonville (JAX) DC-9-30 X7
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Old Apr 5, 19, 6:02 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
18C- I updated my original post while you were answering it, so here's that guess ... just looked up gcmap distance for SFO-CLT (2296 miles), Piedmont with a 72S ... it's longer than the CP route, but not as long as NE, so we may still be looking for your objective answer
Indeed, we still are. It was of course a trans-con. Another couple of long 727-100 flights worthy of note were:

Eastern between Orlando and Los Angeles
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National between Tampa and Los Angeles
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of course there were the low-density (727-100s with ~40 F seats) MGM Grand Air and Regent Air flights between LAX and JFK/EWR respectively (~2465 miles)
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The following quiz items have a time line of the autumn of 1970

1. You’ve had a busy morning making sales calls on the south side of Chicago. While calling your office to arrange for some products to be delivered to a local company, you’re informed that you need to service an account in Indianapolis ASAP, as in today. Hmm… Well O’Hare’s way up on the north side of the city. Any chance there might be any flights out of nearby Midway Airport? A call to your travel agent confirms that there is. Two airlines each operate a single flight per day from Midway down to Indy. Identify the two airlines.
I'm tempted to say UA and AA but, instead, I propose:

Delta Air Lines
Eastern Airlines
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The following quiz items have a time line of the autumn of 1970

8. Some of you may recall that Grand Island, Nebraska was once served by Air Wisconsin out of Chicago using a BAC-111 jet. We even had a question involving that service. However, this was not GRI’s first jet service. Some 15 years earlier its citizens also enjoyed jet service from Chicago – this time with a single daily one-stop jet flight that even offered a First Class cabin with a nice dinner served along the way. Can you identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop?
Frontier, Boeing 737-200, stopping at Lincoln. I once heard a teenager brag about Lincoln and how that airport was soon to be very busy, almost as busy as O'Hare in Chicago. Maybe the teen actually meant runway length, not passenger traffic, as a sign of being big.
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
BONUS QUESTION 18C: Can anyone here remember three even longer 727 flights within the U.S.? Each has been discussed here within the pages of the OTAQ&D

Of course there were the low-density (727-100s with ~40 F seats) MGM Grand Air and Regent Air flights between LAX and JFK/EWR respectively (~2465 miles)

Good call, J - that's the one I was looking for. Additionally, Pan Am once operated an eastbound only 727-100 between SFO and IAD (2410 miles)
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[QUOTE=Toshbaf;30970417]1. You’ve had a busy morning making sales calls on the south side of Chicago. While calling your office to arrange for some products to be delivered to a local company, you’re informed that you need to service an account in Indianapolis ASAP, as in today. Hmm… Well O’Hare’s way up on the north side of the city. Any chance there might be any flights out of nearby Midway Airport? A call to your travel agent confirms that there is. Two airlines each operate a single flight per day from Midway down to Indy. Identify the two airlines.

I'm tempted to say UA and AA but, instead, I propose: Delta Air Lines & Eastern Airlines

Correct. Each offered a single flight each day, Delta with a DC-9-10 and Eastern with a DC-9-30

8. Some of you may recall that Grand Island, Nebraska was once served by Air Wisconsin out of Chicago using a BAC-111 jet. We even had a question involving that service. However, this was not GRI’s first jet service. Some 15 years earlier its citizens also enjoyed jet service from Chicago – this time with a single daily one-stop jet flight that even offered a First Class cabin with a nice dinner served along the way. Can you identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop?

Frontier, Boeing 737-200, stopping at Lincoln. I once heard a teenager brag about Lincoln and how that airport was soon to be very busy, almost as busy as O'Hare in Chicago. Maybe the teen actually meant runway length, not passenger traffic, as a sign of being big.

Frontier is correct, but Lincoln is not. However, since there aren't a lot of options that actually make sense for GRI service, let's just reveal that stop now...

Frontier FL 107 Chicago (MDW) 630p-742p Omaha (OMA) 800p-832p Grand Island (GRI) 737-200 Daily [/QUOTE]
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The following quiz items have a time line of the autumn of 1970

2. Jose loves to play golf. Imagine then his surprise and delight when a business associate who’s a member of Augusta National Golf Club invites him up to Georgia to play a couple rounds on the Masters course. Ay Yi Yi! Por supuesto! From his home in Mexico City, he’s booked a nonstop flight up to Miami connecting to another nonstop flight up to Augusta. Two airlines are involved, but only one aircraft type. Identify both airlines and the aircraft type utilized.
A N S W E R E D

3. An old college friend has invited you to join her and six of your classmates at a mini-reunion on the big island of Hawaii. Can you make it? A quick glance out the window of your Manhattan loft at the wintry gray day makes this an easy decision. From JFK, there is a single two-stop direct flight departing each Saturday morning. A change of gauge is required enroute but First Class is available all the way through. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, aircraft involved and the routing (including the aircraft switch point)

5. After a week of sailing the Caribbean, it’s time to dock in Antigua and catch a flight home to Miami. Rather amazingly, you’ve got a choice of three morning departures to choose from – each of them operated by a different airline operating a different type of equipment. You decide to go with the only airline that operates the all-economy class configured aircraft. Two stops will be made in route. You know the drill by now. Airline. Equipment. Routing. Good luck, Mon!

6. Of all the days to get a flat tire! Now you’re sitting on I-35, nine miles from Minneapolis International and there’s no way you’re going to make your nonstop flight to Boston. A quick call to your travel agent reveals that the next direct flight to Boston is a two stopper that’ll arrive Boston mid-afternoon. You quickly book a seat. Identify the airline, aircraft and the enroute stops, please.

7. From Boston you’ll continue on to Providence, Rhode Island. It’s not very far and your original plan was to rent a car until you were informed of the exorbitant drop-off fees. Thankfully the one way airfare is just $13.00 and you’ll have a choice of three morning departures – all of them leaving between 6:20 and 7:10am. Each flight is operated by a different airline operating a different aircraft type. Your mission – should you decide to accept it – is to identify each airline and the aircraft it operates down to Providence. Good luck.
A N S W E R E D

12. You’re all set to fly to from Chicago to Billings, Montana for the weekend. Unfortunately, a couple of things have come up at the office that mean you’ll have to switch from your 100p nonstop to something a bit later. A call to your travel agent reveals that unfortunately, no seats are available in any class to Billings until early this evening. But wait! If you can get over to Chicago’s lightly used Midway Airport, there’s a two stop flight departing at 220pm. It’s even got some larger seats up in the front of the aircraft. Book it, Danno! Identify the usual triumvirate, including the two stops enroute.
It was not a Northwest Electra

13. Unfortunately, there are no nonstop flights between Memphis and Cleveland. Worse yet, the only available flight is a three stopper that’ll take a butt-numbing four hours to get there. Sigh… Reluctantly, you book a seat on it. Identify the airline, the three stops and the aircraft type.
A N S W E R E D

14. Working solely from schedules published in the North American edition of the OAG, I have found five different international flights into the U.S. that are each operated with a unique aircraft type that was manufactured outside of the U.S. Each flight is operated by a different foreign airline and in each case, the route is the only route into the U.S. using that aircraft type. In other words, you will find only one – not two – routes into the U.S. operated by say, a Dassault Mercure. And again, we are working only with schedules published in the North American OAG. So then, if you’re up for it, identify each of the five routes, airlines and aircraft types.

15. “When I die and go to heaven, I’ll probably connect in Atlanta”. That old quip notwithstanding, you’ve had uniquely bad luck of late with connections – wherever they may be – so much so that for your upcoming flight between Dallas and West Palm Beach you’ve booked yourself upon the late afternoon five-stopper. It’ll be a long day, but a couple of good books should ease the pain. Identify the airline, aircraft and all five of the enroute stops in order, please.


The following quiz items have a time line of the first quarter of 1973

19. You do love a good milk-run! Imagine then your surprise and delight to have booked a seat aboard this 4-stop gem between St. Louis and Memphis. Identify the airline, the aircraft type and the four enroute stops.

21. The airline you usually fly between Detroit and New Orleans is on strike. So it is that you find yourself booked on a two-stop late afternoon departure. This airline utilizes an aircraft that until recently was not operated by your usual airline on the DTW-MSY route. As an added bonus, two dinners and a snack will be served along the way. Identify the airline, the two stops and the aircraft type.


The following quiz items have a time line from the summer of 1972

23. Aside from Delta’s flights, if you wanted to fly aboard a Convair 880 out of Miami during the summer of 1972, only one other airline offered scheduled flights. Identify that airline and the destination it served.
It's not LANICA or VIASA... But it is from a Latin American country

24. You don’t like little airplanes. The larger - the better, you always say. As such, for your upcoming flight between Edinburgh and London, you’ve chosen to fly aboard a ___________________ operated by _____________________. It is the largest aircraft operating scheduled flights out of EDI.
A N S W E R E D

25. Back in the summer of 1972, travelers desiring to leave Jolly Olde England for the sun kissed beaches of Waikiki on Hawaii’s island of Oahu had a choice of three airlines – each of them operating a different type of equipment – at least out of London. One operated the same equipment all the way through to HNL while the other two had a change of equipment at an intermediate stop. Can you identify each of the three airlines, their routing and the equipment type(s) each operated?
BOAC has been correctly identified. Qantas also, tho we need routing and aircraft corrections

32. I’ve been able to find only one airline in the world that in 1973 operated three different types of four engine narrow bodied jetliners at the same time. (I’m not including variants such as a 727-100 vs a 727-200. We’re looking at only the base models) Each aircraft type is manufactured by a different company. Identify the airline and the three aircraft types. Additionally, if you should think of any other airlines operating 3 or more 4-engine aircraft at the same time during 1972, I would be happy to verify it.
Ongoing. MEA, American, Varig so far
BONUS QUESTION: Name an airline that operated not three but four different types of four engine narrow bodied jetliners - but NOT all at the same time.
BOAC, MEA and American have been identified so far. There's at least one more...


33. Identify the only non-Pratt & Whitney powered twin jet (operating scheduled flights) that you’ll see in Bangkok in the late summer of 1972. Airline and aircraft type, please.

WHBM BONUS QUESTION: We're at the airport waiting to leave Casablanca, still in 1972. Pan Am used the Rabat airport about 40 miles out, rather than close-in CMN, for its long runway. But we notice on the board that Casablanca also has a NONSTOP flight to another Caribbean island. What airline and aircraft, and where is it going ?

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25. Back in the summer of 1972, travelers desiring to leave Jolly Olde England for the sun kissed beaches of Waikiki on Hawaii’s island of Oahu had a choice of three airlines – each of them operating a different type of equipment – at least out of London. One operated the same equipment all the way through to HNL while the other two had a change of equipment at an intermediate stop. Can you identify each of the three airlines, their routing and the equipment type(s) each operated?),
1. BOAC, LHR - JFK - LAX - HNL and beyond, VC-10
2. Qantas, LHR - SFO - HNL and beyond. LHR-SFO 707-138 (short body), SFO - HNL 707-338 (regular)
3. Pan Am, LHR - , 747, LAX - HNL 707
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24. You don’t like little airplanes. The larger - the better, you always say. As such, for your upcoming flight between Edinburgh and London, you’ve chosen to fly aboard a ___________________ operated by _____________________. It is the largest aircraft operating scheduled flights out of EDI.
24- Vickers Vanguard, British European Airways
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23. Aside from Delta’s flights, if you wanted to fly aboard a Convair 880 out of Miami during the summer of 1972, only one other airline offered scheduled flights. Identify that airline and the destination it served.

Viasa, Caracas
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13. Unfortunately, there are no nonstop flights between Memphis and Cleveland. Worse yet, the only available flight is a three stopper that’ll take a butt-numbing four hours to get there. Sigh… Reluctantly, you book a seat on it. Identify the airline, the three stops and the aircraft type.
13. Hmmmmm....not too long ago I posed a quiz item concerning a one stop flight from Memphis to Knoxville. The year was 1969 and the answer was United operating a Caravelle with a complete routing of MEM-HSV-TYS-PIT-CLE. However, I do not think we are looking for UA here.

So instead let's go with American operating a BAC One-Eleven series 400 with the three stops being Nashville, Cincinnati and Columbus.
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7. From Boston you’ll continue on to Providence, Rhode Island. It’s not very far and your original plan was to rent a car until you were informed of the exorbitant drop-off fees. Thankfully the one way airfare is just $13.00 and you’ll have a choice of three morning departures – all of them leaving between 6:20 and 7:10am. Each flight is operated by a different airline operating a different aircraft type. Your mission – should you decide to accept it – is to identify each airline and the aircraft it operates down to Providence. Good luck.
7- how about Eastern with a DC-9-30, American with a 727, and Mohawk with a BAC One-Eleven (which I took in Apr 1972, continuing on board to Hartford and Buffalo)
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