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maccoinnich Oct 18, 2011 4:30 pm


Originally Posted by marble (Post 17296105)
It's definitely more expensive to get cover for the US but, at the same time, I think it costs me about £30 ($45 or so) each year for $15million of emergency medical expenses cover (it obviously changes with age ... I'm in my 30s).

Yes, but is the excess on that? How many days a year can you spend in the US? I think you'd be amazed at how quickly medical bills in the US can mount up, and I suspect the insurance wouldn't kick in until you have already paid a lot out of pocket.

I'm in my 20s, and pay almost $100 a month for medical insurance. This is a cheap rate by the standards of the US, and while it's far from useless, it doesn't prevent me from winding up with hefty bills for very minor medical needs.

emma69 Oct 18, 2011 4:41 pm


Originally Posted by maccoinnich (Post 17296234)
Yes, but is the excess on that? How many days a year can you spend in the US? I think you'd be amazed at how quickly medical bills in the US can mount up, and I suspect the insurance wouldn't kick in until you have already paid a lot out of pocket.

I'm in my 20s, and pay almost $100 a month for medical insurance. This is a cheap rate by the standards of the US, and while it's far from useless, it doesn't prevent me from winding up with hefty bills for very minor medical needs.

Travel medical insurance is very different to residential medical insurance, in part because it is based on the odds on you using it. I can't speak for the other poster, but my UK travel medical policies didn't have any excess on them - e.g. you go and see a doctor in the US, they cover everything, and a limit of around 5 million GBP. I don't believe my Canadian travel medical has any excess on it either (but think there is some coordination with other health insurance benefits). Both covered for up to 21 days at a time, but an unlimited amount of trips (so could fly back to the UK on day 22, and back to the US on day 23 for another 21 days etc etc). It does cover only medically necessary during your trip things (like I couldn't get my Pap smear done in the US on that insurance just because I felt like it!)

djk7 Oct 18, 2011 4:50 pm


Originally Posted by SirJman (Post 17243235)
My friend recently had wrist surgery here, and he paid about 1,000$ out of pocket, and that included the an ambulance ride, surgery, an overnight in a hospital and a bunch of follow up visits.

My wife was in a car accident in Colorado, shaken up but no real injuries. She walked to the ambulance, rode in a seat in the back (not the stretcher), the hospital was 3 miles away and the ambulance bill alone was over $850. Then 4-5 hours in the ER, which included IV pain meds, cleaning and stitching a cut finger, and a CT scan. The ER bill was over $14,000, and there were still Dr. charges on top of that!

Cattle Airlines Oct 18, 2011 5:23 pm


Originally Posted by QueenOfCoach (Post 17244522)
... I was impressed at how quickly I was seen and by the high standard of care I received. ....

ETA: I'll note that this wasn't some "friend of a friend". It happened to me, Yours Truly.

I heard that about India...great care. What a pile of horse.... People may be nice but they do things in India that would result in revocation of one's medical license and a huge malpractice award if done in the U.S. They reuse surgical instruments between patients, only rinsing them, in order to save time. Patients are wheeled one after another, according to a doctor friend who witnessed it.

jib71 Oct 18, 2011 5:42 pm


Originally Posted by rankourabu (Post 17246867)
Wouldnt the worst place in the world for a foreigner to get seriously ill be the USA?

Good luck at the emergency room in Kinshasa.

Ancien Maestro Oct 18, 2011 7:52 pm


Originally Posted by Cattle Airlines (Post 17296461)
I heard that about India...great care. What a pile of horse.... People may be nice but they do things in India that would result in revocation of one's medical license and a huge malpractice award if done in the U.S. They reuse surgical instruments between patients, only rinsing them, in order to save time. Patients are wheeled one after another, according to a doctor friend who witnessed it.

Funny, what people may think is quality care in one country, is completely unacceptable in another..:eek:


Originally Posted by djk7 (Post 17296328)
My wife was in a car accident in Colorado, shaken up but no real injuries. She walked to the ambulance, rode in a seat in the back (not the stretcher), the hospital was 3 miles away and the ambulance bill alone was over $850. Then 4-5 hours in the ER, which included IV pain meds, cleaning and stitching a cut finger, and a CT scan. The ER bill was over $14,000, and there were still Dr. charges on top of that!

Did Travel insurance cover this?

Ancien Maestro Oct 18, 2011 7:58 pm


Originally Posted by maccoinnich (Post 17296234)
Yes, but is the excess on that? How many days a year can you spend in the US? I think you'd be amazed at how quickly medical bills in the US can mount up, and I suspect the insurance wouldn't kick in until you have already paid a lot out of pocket.

I'm in my 20s, and pay almost $100 a month for medical insurance. This is a cheap rate by the standards of the US, and while it's far from useless, it doesn't prevent me from winding up with hefty bills for very minor medical needs.

I imagine with use, your medical insurance premiums will adjust..


Originally Posted by emma69 (Post 17296281)
Travel medical insurance is very different to residential medical insurance, in part because it is based on the odds on you using it. I can't speak for the other poster, but my UK travel medical policies didn't have any excess on them - e.g. you go and see a doctor in the US, they cover everything, and a limit of around 5 million GBP. I don't believe my Canadian travel medical has any excess on it either (but think there is some coordination with other health insurance benefits). Both covered for up to 21 days at a time, but an unlimited amount of trips (so could fly back to the UK on day 22, and back to the US on day 23 for another 21 days etc etc). It does cover only medically necessary during your trip things (like I couldn't get my Pap smear done in the US on that insurance just because I felt like it!)

In Canada, travel insurance is necessary when travelling outside of the country.. and perhaps helpful when travelling inside the country..

In the states, it would seem like you need both types of insurance to cover the basis..

djk7 Oct 19, 2011 7:25 am


Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro (Post 17297154)
Did Travel insurance cover this?

It was covered by a combination of my car and health insurance, but for someone with no insurance and low income, that one 5 hour ER visit could have been a financial catastrophe.

Captain Schmidt Oct 19, 2011 11:15 am


Originally Posted by Cattle Airlines (Post 17296461)
I heard that about India...great care. What a pile of horse.... People may be nice but they do things in India that would result in revocation of one's medical license and a huge malpractice award if done in the U.S. They reuse surgical instruments between patients, only rinsing them, in order to save time. Patients are wheeled one after another, according to a doctor friend who witnessed it.

"I heard that about India" = I've never actually been there, nor have I any direct personal experience, but I have a "friend" who tells me that "they" do all these bad things that would never happen in America. And in relating that one anecdote that clearly means that the entire medical industry in India works as you've described. :rolleyes: Do you work for Fox News by any chance?

Ancien Maestro Oct 20, 2011 12:05 am


Originally Posted by djk7 (Post 17299237)
It was covered by a combination of my car and health insurance, but for someone with no insurance and low income, that one 5 hour ER visit could have been a financial catastrophe.

Absolute possible financial devastation..

Goes to show insurance is necessary to cover the medical emergencies..

So far, we've doled out more in premiums then we've ever gotten back.. but medical insurance on trips is highly advisable..

MoreMilesPlease Oct 20, 2011 7:40 am


Originally Posted by djk7 (Post 17299237)
It was covered by a combination of my car and health insurance, but for someone with no insurance and low income, that one 5 hour ER visit could have been a financial catastrophe.

If the person had no health insurance and low income they would be qualified for givernment assistance. Hospitals also routinely write off uninsured/underinsured people.

Cash paying patients can get the cost dropped down to a more realistic amount to be paid.

DeafFlyer Oct 20, 2011 8:04 am


Originally Posted by djk7 (Post 17299237)
It was covered by a combination of my car and health insurance, but for someone with no insurance and low income, that one 5 hour ER visit could have been a financial catastrophe.

I had a friend (immigrant) who went to the ER for appendicitis. He couldn't pay the bill because he had no job at the time. He just ignored the bills. He's finally got a job and insurance. As far as I know, though, he still ignores those bills. It's been two years. No catastrophe yet.

acunningham Oct 20, 2011 6:51 pm


Originally Posted by Cattle Airlines (Post 17296461)
I heard that about India...great care. What a pile of horse.... People may be nice but they do things in India that would result in revocation of one's medical license and a huge malpractice award if done in the U.S. They reuse surgical instruments between patients, only rinsing them, in order to save time. Patients are wheeled one after another, according to a doctor friend who witnessed it.

Do you have a source for these claims?

Ancien Maestro Oct 20, 2011 6:58 pm


Originally Posted by DeafFlyer (Post 17305977)
I had a friend (immigrant) who went to the ER for appendicitis. He couldn't pay the bill because he had no job at the time. He just ignored the bills. He's finally got a job and insurance. As far as I know, though, he still ignores those bills. It's been two years. No catastrophe yet.

I wonder if these bills will start affecting credit..

Its one thing to not pay if you can't afford it.. its another when you can pay, but you choose to ignore the outstanding bills..

joejones Oct 20, 2011 8:01 pm


Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro (Post 17309465)
I wonder if these bills will start affecting credit.

They certainly will, assuming the hospital knows who this person is.


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