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This is good to know. I definitely reconsider what I put in these safes from now on. :(
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I never trusted the safes completely, but considered them some deterrent and did put passports and laptops in them. The default password problem bothered me. The few times I had a problem, hotel management always came up with a handheld programming device that plugged into the system. I assumed that these were used in lieu of default passwords because they wouldn't accidentally leak out.
The override keys which are normally cheap tubular locks that you see on some safes was more disconcerting. I know that they can be bypassed with a ballpoint pen. |
I don't think I'll change my trust with room safes.. I generally stay at Fairmonts, and there has been absolutely no reason for me to fear my valuables are not safe..
Now, this thread has been useful to help me to be careful with hotel safes at hotels other than Fairmont.. I shall be looking at manageing documents more carefully.. |
The belief that these safes have an 'override code' or 'skeleton key code' is inconclusive IME.
Two cases in my past two months of travel have defeated this so-called 'default code' as the guy in the video clip shows. Case One- Harrah’s Resort Casino and Hotel, Atlantic City, NJ. At this resort hotel, not all the rooms have safes. I was staying in one that did. After entering my passcode twice and entering 0000…. the safe did not open. It flashed, which normally is the universal code for entered password being incorrect. I then tried 1111.... 1234.... none of these combinations worked. I know one of the front desk people really well and asked him in passing, "What happens if one forgets his own set passcode for the safe?" He explained that they would need to call the manufacturer for the safe and ask for the key programming device in order to crack the safe and the safes are actually turned over to their security. Case Two- Marriott Hong Kong SkyCity, Hong Kong. I did the same thing as I did in Harrah’s, nothing. I did not ask anyone about them when I was here. I don’t put use these safes to begin with. I will use the front desk safety deposit box from time to time, that’s about it. |
The default code maybe a myth in ALL safes.. but in hotels where staff knows the default code, would be pretty scary..
One precaution, would be to try the default code 00000 before stuffing your valuables in.. but maybe there is another default code the staff knows.. so maybe its all for naught.. |
Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro
(Post 17132960)
The default code maybe a myth in ALL safes.. but in hotels where staff knows the default code, would be pretty scary..
One precaution, would be to try the default code 00000 before stuffing your valuables in.. but maybe there is another default code the staff knows.. so maybe its all for naught.. Even tried binary 0101010 101010 etc. nada. Have not tried a cutting torch yet... :D |
Originally Posted by RobbieRunner
(Post 17136362)
I tried this, along with 12345, 54321, 11111, 22222, 33333.. etc. Anything "Easy" and nothing worked in the last two hotels I was in.
Even tried binary 0101010 101010 etc. nada. Have not tried a cutting torch yet... :D the myth doesn't check out for your particular safe.. so far:D |
In one hotel room the room safe was fastened to a small desk in the closet. The desk itself, safe and all, could be readily removed from the room.
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Originally Posted by AllanJ
(Post 17144408)
In one hotel room the room safe was fastened to a small desk in the closet. The desk itself, safe and all, could be readily removed from the room.
Why have a safe then? |
Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro
(Post 17145031)
Why have a safe then?
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Originally Posted by acunningham
(Post 17145154)
So they can advertise that they have a safe in every room?
Perhaps they should just provide safes without a lock and combination.. just leave it open a yawning steal cage.. |
Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro
(Post 17152073)
I guess you're right..
Perhaps they should just provide safes without a lock and combination.. just leave it open a yawning steal cage.. |
Originally Posted by You want to go where?
(Post 17155991)
Steal [sic] is right!
As safe as having a safe attached to a moveable table..:eek: |
000000 safe
Originally Posted by cordelli
(Post 17127630)
Pretty sure the issue was not the selected code of 123456 that was used in the video as an example. It would not matter what code the person took, it could be any of the one million different codes.
The issue is that the default code every one of those safes ships with, the 000000 one still opens it, no matter what number you enter as your personal code. If the hotel does not change the default code on each safe to something else, whatever code you put in makes no difference. The thief doesn't need to try 123456, they don't need to use any kind of machine, they have to go to the keyboard and type in zero zero zero zero zero zero and it will open because many hotels don't bother changing the default admin code to open it when a guest forgets their number. I would guess with all the publicity this has been getting in the past few weeks many hotels are scrambling for their manual to see how to change the code. Or as one of the makers of Hotel Safes has said after this story went viral When a guest forgets [his or her] code, the safe may be opened by hotel security using the override code. It is important to note that only the most negligent of hotel operators would leave the override code set to all 0′s, a default code, some other easy to guess code. The override code can (and must for obvious reasons) be changed to something difficult to guess prior to putting the safe into operation. Found one! I tried the technique shown in the video noted by the OP. Same experience for me: I programmed my own code, locked the safe, came back a minute later, entered 000000... and it opened anyway. 000000 worked against any code. :mad: |
Originally Posted by jerry305
(Post 18319466)
Found one!
I tried the technique shown in the video noted by the OP. Same experience for me: I programmed my own code, locked the safe, came back a minute later, entered 000000... and it opened anyway. 000000 worked against any code. :mad: |
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