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The Recline Debate: Plane Returns After Fist Fight!

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Old Jun 1, 11, 6:27 pm
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Plane returns after fistfight between passengers

Associated Press – Tue May 31, 9:04 pm ET

WASHINGTON – Government and airline officials say a United Airlines plane with 144 people aboard returned to Washington-Dulles International Airport for an emergency landing escorted by two F-16 fighter jets after a fight broke out between passengers.

Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Laura Brown says Flight 990 bound for Accra, Ghana, returned to Dulles in Chantilly, Virginia, just after midnight Sunday after a fistfight in the cabin.

Government officials confirmed that fighter jets were scrambled from Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland.

United spokesman Mike Trevino said Tuesday that the Boeing 767 dumped fuel as a safety precaution to lighten its weight on landing.

The Washington Post, which first reported the incident, reported that the fight began not long after takeoff when a passenger lowered his seat and a passenger behind him objected.
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Old Jun 1, 11, 6:51 pm
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This happened all the time on my flights between LOS and AMS. Unless you have lived or travelled extensively in West Africa, you can't imagine the nonsense that occurs on these flights.

This incident is not at all surprising.
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what is surprising is that no charges were filed

the pilot turns around a 767
dumps 16 k lbs of fuel
has two F-16 escorts and

no one is busted

call me confused
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Old Jun 1, 11, 8:13 pm
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Originally Posted by JoeBagodonuts View Post
what is surprising is that no charges were filed

the pilot turns around a 767
dumps 16 k lbs of fuel
has two F-16 escorts and

no one is busted

call me confused
I agree! Especially when you contract it to the dude who was arrested and dragged off JetBlue in Boston a few days ago and had charges dropped in that case.

Arrest them when they don't actually hit anyone, but let em walk when they brawl in the aisles. Makes perfect sense to me!
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Old Jun 1, 11, 8:55 pm
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They can't get them for interfering with air travel? I wonder if they were over international waters at the time.
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Old Jun 1, 11, 11:35 pm
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The flyers should have cooled their jets..

Instead, a big inconvenience for all including the person who objected to the reclining seat.. likely court as well.
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Old Jun 2, 11, 10:40 am
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I'll go with my usual "to recline or not to recline" response. On shorter domestic routes, I can appreciate (though generally disagree with) the perspective of those who might be annoyed by a passenger who insists on reclining, and for the sake of the peace, I generally do not recline on flights under three hours or so.

On a TATL or TPAC longhaul, however, all bets are off. The one who expects his or her forward neighbor not to recline out of some sense of duty to the tall is more selfish than the passenger who actually does the reclining.
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I rarely recline my seat, but when I do, it's never fully reclined - only enough that the back is not vertical. Also, what bothers me, are those people who get out of their seats to spend time in the bathroom, but don't return their seat backs to the upright position - they leave them reclined even though they are not in them. That's when I make an effort to move it forward for them.
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Old Jun 2, 11, 8:18 pm
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Originally Posted by JoeBagodonuts View Post
what is surprising is that no charges were filed

the pilot turns around a 767
dumps 16 k lbs of fuel
has two F-16 escorts and

no one is busted

call me confused
WI'm confused why F-13s were dispatched for a passenger kerfuffle. Seems excessive. There should be some reporting on why that level of response was deemed necessary and if it was really a good use of resources. If it was really a potential threat it should have been diverted to a more remote location.

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I'll go with my usual "to recline or not to recline" response. On shorter domestic routes, I can appreciate (though generally disagree with) the perspective of those who might be annoyed by a passenger who insists on reclining, and for the sake of the peace, I generally do not recline on flights under three hours or so.

On a TATL or TPAC longhaul, however, all bets are off. The one who expects his or her forward neighbor not to recline out of some sense of duty to the tall is more selfish than the passenger who actually does the reclining.
This is me too. Maybe a little recline if it's more comfortable or I otherwise need a nap, well thats what it's for! if someone asked, nicely or not, I might move part way
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Originally Posted by InPlaneSight View Post
I rarely recline my seat, but when I do, it's never fully reclined - only enough that the back is not vertical. Also, what bothers me, are those people who get out of their seats to spend time in the bathroom, but don't return their seat backs to the upright position - they leave them reclined even though they are not in them. That's when I make an effort to move it forward for them.
Proper etiquette would call for the seat to return to upright position when the passenger leaves to the lavatory..

Maybe the passenger just forgot..
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Just out of curiosity, what was the rationale behind scrambling F-16s? Maybe the fear the fight may have been meant to create a distraction for some terrorist plan? Just speculating. Otherwise, there is no useful role for an F-16 in this situation.

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Originally Posted by JoeBagodonuts View Post
what is surprising is that no charges were filed

the pilot turns around a 767
dumps 16 k lbs of fuel
has two F-16 escorts and

no one is busted
All I could see while reading that story was the dollar signs $$$ stacking up. Seems like $1,000s and $1,000s were wasted on this stupid incident.
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Seems like an over reaction from the pilot
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Old Jun 3, 11, 3:36 pm
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I still think the best response to an unwanted recliner in front of you is to direct your cold air jet directly down the back of his neck. I'm not complaining about his control of his seat, and he can't complain about my use of my air jet.

Now, I wouldn't do that on a redeye when people are going to recline, or if the person was nice about it. Just when the guy slams his seat back into me the first chance he gets and leaves it there for the duration.
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Old Jun 3, 11, 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by seaduck79 View Post
or if the person was nice about it.
How can one go about being nice about it?
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