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Tizzette Apr 22, 2011 10:11 pm

How much bare is too much bare?
 
I especially hate when somebody sitting next to me pulls off socks to bare their feet, although I don't mind bare feet in sandals so long as they stay on the floor. I would rather not sit by any adult in skimpy clothes such as short
shorts or scooped out tank tops. To me, that much bare skin is too up close and personal for strangers on a plane.

Ancien Maestro Apr 22, 2011 11:40 pm

I never had this happen sitting beside a stranger, so I wouldn't know what to think.. my wife would probably not like it.

Mabuk dan gila Apr 22, 2011 11:50 pm

It 100% depends. Is the stranger in question of a gender and appearance that might be construed as.................. appealing? (standards obviously vary greatly on a personal level) Maybe I don't mind in the slightest...maybe I'm deeply offended by to much skin? Since standards obviously vary so wildly, common decorum would dictate a conservative approach to the issue.

edj3 Apr 23, 2011 3:43 am

As long as the bare skin doesn't intrude into my seat space, I don't care. Their fashion sins or wins are precisely that--theirs.

TrojanHorse Apr 23, 2011 6:55 am

it all depends on what she looks like.. sometimes its addition by subtraction :p

Tizzette Apr 23, 2011 7:25 am

Not so much about people's fashion sense as their lack of consideration for the sensibilities of others in a situation it is not possible to simply avoid your fellow passengers.

When traveling to conservative countries, we do not resent respecting the majority culture by dressing so as not to offend. After all, we made the choice to go there.

Same with choosing to fly. There's a broad spectrum of strangers on a plane, so why not dress and behave toward the conservative side? The common denominator of what most wear and think appropriate is jeans and a shirt or something equivalent, which is pretty covered up and preserves your privacy and mine.

So how is it possible to show up dressed for the beach or the gym and think that is appropriate? They don't think...or they don't care. Sure, that attire is less offensive if the body is young and slim, but how can it be OK for some and not for others.

This forum contributes to forming a "community standard" for flying. I am advocating that such a standard of appropriate dress does exist even if there
are no written rules.

clacko Apr 23, 2011 8:54 am

all airlines should have a dress code, with the minimum being conservative suit & tie for males & appropriate dresses for females....would that solve your problem?

we could boycott flying to force the policy....

of course, retirees would be exempted...,

good luck...

alanR Apr 23, 2011 9:13 am


Originally Posted by clacko (Post 16267175)
all airlines should have a dress code, with the minimum being conservative suit & tie for males & appropriate dresses for females....would that solve your problem?

Wouldn't that break the 2nd Amendment?

clacko Apr 23, 2011 10:53 am


Originally Posted by alanR (Post 16267266)
Wouldn't that break the 2nd Amendment?

a conservative court might go along w/it....but that is a topic for omni, not here...

D582 Apr 23, 2011 12:01 pm


Originally Posted by Tizzette (Post 16266817)
Same with choosing to fly. There's a broad spectrum of strangers on a plane, so why not dress and behave toward the conservative side? The common denominator of what most wear and think appropriate is jeans and a shirt or something equivalent, which is pretty covered up and preserves your privacy and mine.

So how is it possible to show up dressed for the beach or the gym and think that is appropriate? They don't think...or they don't care. Sure, that attire is less offensive if the body is young and slim, but how can it be OK for some and not for others.

But what's wrong with dressing for the beach, especially if you are travelling to/from a warm place? If you don't want to dress like that then you don't have to, but if others want to then that is there business, not yours.

goalie Apr 23, 2011 12:34 pm

I change into my airplane socks once the a/c reaches a stable altitude (and for me I go by the 10k feet double chime on UA flights) and I do it as quickly as possible as I know some folks (like me) don't like seeing bare feet.

Ancien Maestro Apr 23, 2011 1:53 pm


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 16268101)
I change into my airplane socks once the a/c reaches a stable altitude (and for me I go by the 10k feet double chime on UA flights) and I do it as quickly as possible as I know some folks (like me) don't like seeing bare feet.

Why do you change to airplane socks?

Tizzette Apr 23, 2011 3:45 pm

Why always take it to the extreme, talking about requiring suits on the one hand and being ready to go direct from the plane to the beach on the other?

What I'm talking about is exposing so much bare skin it makes some or many of us go yuck, that's offensive and inappropriate when you are iin close quarters with complete strangers on a plane.

It is not about dressing up. The common denominator you see most on flights is jeans. Board shorts or Bermuda shorts with a tee or polo and sandals is fine. It is easy to find something comfortable yet modest to wear.

Ancien Maestro Apr 23, 2011 10:15 pm


Originally Posted by Tizzette (Post 16268834)
Why always take it to the extreme, talking about requiring suits on the one hand and being ready to go direct from the plane to the beach on the other?

What I'm talking about is exposing so much bare skin it makes some or many of us go yuck, that's offensive and inappropriate when you are iin close quarters with complete strangers on a plane.

It is not about dressing up. The common denominator you see most on flights is jeans. Board shorts or Bermuda shorts with a tee or polo and sandals is fine. It is easy to find something comfortable yet modest to wear.

Theres talk about sweat pants in first as well.:)

accountinggal Apr 23, 2011 10:48 pm

Personally, I'd rather have someone exposing too much skin than taking off their shoes and smelling up the whole cabin. At least I can look away from the large hairy man in his tshirt! I can't escape the smell. :)

NYBanker Apr 24, 2011 2:01 am


Originally Posted by TrojanHorse (Post 16266706)
it all depends on what she looks like.. sometimes its addition by subtraction :p

+1

etali Apr 24, 2011 4:33 am

As long as the person next to me is clean, and they keep their body to their seat, I don't really care what they wear. I've not really noticed any insanely immodest people, although that could be because I have my nose in a book for most of the time I'm on a plane.

I have had some people take off their shoes then rest their feet on my leg, though - which is just gross, and too hard to ignore.

goalie Apr 24, 2011 11:22 am


Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro (Post 16268410)

Originally Posted by goalie (Post 16268101)
I change into my airplane socks once the a/c reaches a stable altitude (and for me I go by the 10k feet double chime on UA flights) and I do it as quickly as possible as I know some folks (like me) don't like seeing bare feet.

Why do you change to airplane socks?

I'm a creature of habit ;)

But seriously, I take my shoes off while in flight as I want to be comfortable and don't want to walk in my regular socks so I carry a pair of socks from one of the numerous amenity kits I have rec'd. I dunno and maybe it's just me, but it feels better to change my socks when I fly. :)

ThriftyTable Apr 24, 2011 11:59 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 16271962)
But seriously, I take my shoes off while in flight as I want to be comfortable and don't want to walk in my regular socks so I carry a pair of socks from one of the numerous amenity kits I have rec'd.

I am quite short (5ft or so on a good day) and I too take off my shoes and put on my travel slippers. I then use my carry on luggage to prop up my feet, otherwise, I will end up with no feeling in my legs as the seats are too high for me and put pressure on the back of my legs.

I don't think anyone has been offended by this, I don't expose my feet and my slippers are humorous (so I don't much up my luggage with my shoes.

Tizzette Apr 24, 2011 7:02 pm

Getting comfortable in socks or slippers in their seat, almost everybody does that.

I don't see many people that go too bare, or go barefoot, either. Could it be that the great preponderance of fliers realize it would be inappropriate? I'm hoping that by means of this forum, a few of the clueless might wise up.

Emeraldcity Apr 24, 2011 7:32 pm


Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro (Post 16270095)
Theres talk about sweat pants in first as well.:)

I wear scrubs in first class....shrugs...they are comfortable, there is nothing to alert security so I sail through, no buttons, zippers, etc. The only time I got funny looks was when I wore the teddy bear ones, so now I just wear my solid blues.

cordelli Apr 24, 2011 7:40 pm

I don't care at all. I've had males wearing reno 911 shorts next to me and women pulling them out to feed their babies. As long as they keep to their seat (and I'll even give them the armrest) I don't care what they wear.

Ancien Maestro Apr 24, 2011 9:45 pm

I can see making yourself comfortable while keeping those around you comfortable would be etiquette. As long as everyone respects those on board, I don't see how the issue of how much you wear would become an issue.

njx9 Apr 25, 2011 7:41 am


Originally Posted by Tizzette (Post 16273855)
Getting comfortable in socks or slippers in their seat, almost everybody does that.

I don't see many people that go too bare, or go barefoot, either. Could it be that the great preponderance of fliers realize it would be inappropriate? I'm hoping that by means of this forum, a few of the clueless might wise up.

Wait, so now I'm 'clueless' because *you* can't stop looking at what I'm wearing, and because *you* find it offensive? Honestly, if it bothers you, quit staring.

dchristiva Apr 25, 2011 8:14 am


Originally Posted by TrojanHorse (Post 16266706)
it all depends on what she looks like.. sometimes its addition by subtraction :p

Agreed.

Orion Apr 25, 2011 8:45 am

nearly naked and cold
 
I was on a Delta flight out of Las Vegas to ATL when I heard a pax behind me on the other side of the row ask the FA for blankets. I turned and saw a man wearing only a skimpy bathing suit, a tank top and flip flop shoes. He was complaining that he was cold. He kept up the complaining about being cold. Then the FA's came around closing all of the air vents in his area.
He looked almost naked. Of course he was cold at 35,000 feet.

rochel Apr 25, 2011 8:48 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 16271962)
But seriously, I take my shoes off while in flight as I want to be comfortable and don't want to walk in my regular socks so I carry a pair of socks from one of the numerous amenity kits I have rec'd. I dunno and maybe it's just me, but it feels better to change my socks when I fly. :)

I do the same thing. I don't want to walk in my regular socks, especially if I have to visit the lav. I want socks that can go straight to the laundry bag and not back into my shoes.

new2japan Apr 25, 2011 8:51 am


Originally Posted by Tizzette (Post 16265669)
I especially hate when somebody sitting next to me pulls off socks to bare their feet, although I don't mind bare feet in sandals so long as they stay on the floor. I would rather not sit by any adult in skimpy clothes such as short
shorts or scooped out tank tops. To me, that much bare skin is too up close and personal for strangers on a plane.

What you're talking about is very subjective. There are probably some people you've flown with at some point who would prefer that you have all of the skin on your body covered except for your eyes. Others don't care if you flew naked. It's public transportation. As long as people adhere to local laws, then you don't really have much reason to complain. Should this really bother you, there's always driving, a private room on a train or flying private.

Making posts complaining about this on the internet really isn't going to change anything.

Orion Apr 25, 2011 9:48 am


Originally Posted by Orion (Post 16276298)
I was on a Delta flight out of Las Vegas to ATL when I heard a pax behind me on the other side of the row ask the FA for blankets. I turned and saw a man wearing only a skimpy bathing suit, a tank top and flip flop shoes. He was complaining that he was cold. He kept up the complaining about being cold. Then the FA's came around closing all of the air vents in his area.
He looked almost naked. Of course he was cold at 35,000 feet.


emma69 Apr 25, 2011 9:53 am


Originally Posted by Tizzette (Post 16266817)
Not so much about people's fashion sense as their lack of consideration for the sensibilities of others in a situation it is not possible to simply avoid your fellow passengers.

When traveling to conservative countries, we do not resent respecting the majority culture by dressing so as not to offend. After all, we made the choice to go there.

Same with choosing to fly. There's a broad spectrum of strangers on a plane, so why not dress and behave toward the conservative side? The common denominator of what most wear and think appropriate is jeans and a shirt or something equivalent, which is pretty covered up and preserves your privacy and mine.

So how is it possible to show up dressed for the beach or the gym and think that is appropriate? They don't think...or they don't care. Sure, that attire is less offensive if the body is young and slim, but how can it be OK for some and not for others.

This forum contributes to forming a "community standard" for flying. I am advocating that such a standard of appropriate dress does exist even if there
are no written rules.

I will wear shorts and a tank top (and sandals with no socks) if I am hot (I am absolutely not going to be wearing jeans if I am coming from a destination that is 35 degrees C and sunny - in fact, there won't be jeans or trousers in my luggage if that is the case!) I carry a wrap so that I am not cold on the flight. There is nothing wrong with that IMO - it is not a religious building, nor a boardroom, so why would I dress as tho it was? I would far rather someone wore shorts and a short sleeved top, than force themselves to dress in jeans and a shirt, thus sweating into said jeans and shirt, and being stinky for the flight back thank you!

FliesWay2Much Apr 25, 2011 10:25 am

Where I Personally Draw The Line...
 
...for an attractive woman sitting next to me, I have no boundaries, except for really pungent perfume.

For myself, I've drawn boundaries mostly from my commuter train experience. I do my running in the morning, so I am almost always dressed in my running clothes when I get on the train.

In the summer, I always wear a tee shirt over my singlet, so people don't have to deal with my hairy armpits. I wear baggy shorts over my much shorter running shorts. I'm not at all concerned with exposed legs. What I'm trying to prevent is a second occurance of a "wardrobe malfunction" I had with a pair of running shorts a few years ago.

In the winter, I'm usually wearing tights. My winter coat generally covers my butt because I think that looking like a ballet dancer probably isn't very neighborly.

The huge advantage of wearing running clothes on the train is that very few people want to sit next to me. At the building, everyone gives me a wide berth in the elevator.

tentseller Apr 25, 2011 10:50 am

Visual I don't mind. I just look other way.

Odors we all mind, one needs to inhale air.

MiamiAirport Formerly NY George Apr 25, 2011 1:00 pm

Ideally, most people would realize that beach wear is not appropriate for public flying, particularly those that do not look good in beach wear to begin with. Moreover, in a premium cabin or airline club.

But from the land of Housewives of Wherever, Snookie, The Bachelor, etc. its not going to happen. As long as they have proper hygiene and stay within the confinds of their seat I just take it as part of being thrown in with the human race.

nerd Apr 25, 2011 4:23 pm

I thought this was going to be a re-hash of the Dorito Chip/Landing Strip thread.

Tizzette Apr 25, 2011 7:02 pm


Originally Posted by njx9 (Post 16275961)
Wait, so now I'm 'clueless' because *you* can't stop looking at what I'm wearing, and because *you* find it offensive? Honestly, if it bothers you, quit staring.


I like how Ancien Maestro expressed it about making himself comfortable while allowing others to be comfortable, too.

What you personally wear you didn't say, but I do believe we all contribute to the group experience of flying and so we need to bear that in mind choosing what to wear and how to act. If you were badly dressed, staring at you would be bad manners on my part.

It is so easy to dress comfortably yet modestly, even when it is hot. Board or Bermuda shorts instead of short shorts, a tee instead of a scooped out tank.

Saw a sign today at the public library saying you must be fully dressed and not negligent in hygiene to enter. A higher standard than is enforced by the airlines, it would seem.


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