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pinworm Dec 2, 2010 1:06 pm

Is "Economy" A Euphemism for "Third Class"?
 
I mean, after all, we have First Class..doesn't that make Business class "Second Class" and Economy "Third Class"?

And if there is no Business Class, does that make Economy "Second Class"?

Is it just a marketing thing? Who would want to be reminded that are getting the third and lowest tier service. Calling it "Economy" works much the way it does for cars..to imply a clever frugality. And this applies I think to the retention of "First Class" in the top tier of service, where people who use it DO want to be reminded that they are getting the highest available service.

No matter what you call it, that's what it is though, isn't it?

Train systems in Europe still do this, but airlines so far as I remember phased out the phrases "Third Class" and "Second Class" in the early 60's I think.

alanR Dec 2, 2010 2:09 pm


Originally Posted by pinworm (Post 15368140)
And if there is no Business Class, does that make Economy "Second Class"?

Soft Seat & Hard Seat

Cha-cha-cha Dec 2, 2010 2:20 pm

"Economy" is a euphemism for "steerage."

CPRich Dec 2, 2010 2:20 pm

I actually haven't heard "Economy" in a while, for exactly that reason. Is Economy (i.e. cheap) better than 2nd or 3rd.

I usually hear either Coach or some airline-specific Marketing name.

Efrem Dec 2, 2010 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 15368723)
I actually haven't heard "Economy" in a while ...

I usually hear either Coach ...

You're a Yank. Yanks use "Coach." Brits use "Economy." In the UK, a coach is a bus. Someone who travels to the U.S. in [a] coach will get very wet, also very cold this time of year, and probably not complete the trip.

Lone time ago, ships had three classes: Cabin, Tourist and Third. (At one time there was also Steerage, but it was eventually phased out. What remained of those rooms became low-end Third Class.) The marketing types tried to make customers feel good by renaming Third class as Tourist, then renaming second class (previously Tourist) as Cabin, and renaming first class (previously Cabin) as, you guessed it, First. I don't know if it made any difference when people decided what rooms to pay for, but it may have impressed some non-travelers when they heard "Yes, we were in Cabin Class on the Mauretania" or whatever.

Pickles Dec 2, 2010 3:25 pm

My father calls Economy/coach/whatever is at the very back of the plane "Reverse". He drives a manual.

nerd Dec 2, 2010 3:45 pm


Originally Posted by pinworm (Post 15368140)
Calling it "Economy" works much the way it does for cars..to imply a clever frugality.

Getting from Point A to B at a fraction of the cost is more than just an implied frugality, no?

rjw242 Dec 2, 2010 4:08 pm


Originally Posted by nerd (Post 15369316)
Getting from Point A to B at a fraction of the cost is more than just an implied frugality, no?

Depends on what you value. For most travelers you're correct - e.g. I'm not willing to spend an additional $50-200 per hour for meals and a more comfortable seat. But a small fraction see that as a bargain.

pacer142 Dec 2, 2010 4:14 pm


Originally Posted by pinworm (Post 15368140)
Train systems in Europe still do this, but airlines so far as I remember phased out the phrases "Third Class" and "Second Class" in the early 60's I think.

The UK has "First Class" and "Standard"[1], but most of the rest of Europe has retained first class and second class, except Thalys which euphemises with "Comfort 1" and "Comfort 2" for some reason best known to its marketeers.

[1] Which is actually third class - second class was abolished without "moving up" third class prior to its renaming to "Standard".

Neil

nerd Dec 2, 2010 4:22 pm


Originally Posted by rjw242 (Post 15369471)
Depends on what you value. For most travelers you're correct - e.g. I'm not willing to spend an additional $50-200 per hour for meals and a more comfortable seat. But a small fraction see that as a bargain.

Maybe they value it highly, but that doesn't change the definition of frugal.

stut Dec 2, 2010 4:30 pm


Originally Posted by pacer142 (Post 15369503)
Which is actually third class - second class was abolished without "moving up" third class prior to its renaming to "Standard"

Are you sure about this? I'm certain I remember "second class" (as the lowest class) in the 80s.

Wiirachay Dec 2, 2010 5:17 pm


Originally Posted by pinworm (Post 15368140)
Is it just a marketing thing? Who would want to be reminded that are getting the third and lowest tier service. Calling it "Economy" works much the way it does for cars..to imply a clever frugality. And this applies I think to the retention of "First Class" in the top tier of service, where people who use it DO want to be reminded that they are getting the highest available service.

Pretty much. Remember that until the late 70's, (1979?) business class didn't exist. It was just first class and coach class. And coach was pretty good too, with 2-4-3 seating in B747s and great service. (That's what I read anyway - I'm as old as business class has been in existence ;) ) I take it airlines didn't want to call business class "second class" and still don't.

In my ideal world, premium economy would renamed as main cabin. And economy would be renamed as cattle class, at least for international flights with business class.

rjw242 Dec 2, 2010 6:28 pm


Originally Posted by nerd (Post 15369546)
Maybe they value it highly, but that doesn't change the definition of frugal.

Frugality is always relative. Discounted J is a steal compared to a private jet ;)

nerd Dec 2, 2010 6:34 pm


Originally Posted by rjw242 (Post 15370156)
Frugality is always relative. Discounted J is a steal compared to a private jet ;)

That's true. A discount economy fare is super expensive compared to, say, hitchhiking.

BadgerBoi Dec 2, 2010 6:43 pm


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 15368723)
I actually haven't heard "Economy" in a while, for exactly that reason. Is Economy (i.e. cheap) better than 2nd or 3rd.

I usually hear either Coach or some airline-specific Marketing name.

AFAIK only Americans use "coach". In Au it is always economy, it would never be referred to as "coach"


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