FlyinDutchman

Some airlines have stops on long haul flights when flying to remote places of this earth to connect some other places with the same plane. While the airlines don't count this as another segment (ie a direct flight with one stop), do you consider this a segment in your own counting? Just curious...

example
KL flight 567 AMS-DAR (through JRO)

BA_Blade

Personally I only count a flight as a new segment if I have had to physically change aircraft at the stop over point, otherwise I consider it part of the same flight.

On a related (and often debated point on FT) I don't consider the country as visited if I start a new segment there unless I have physically cleared immigration and stepped outside the airport.

nkedel

For me, if I'm able to leave the aircraft and actually do so (or am required to do so), yes, whereas if I don't (or am required to remain on board, as with CX712/713 HKG<->SIN via BKK) then it doesn't.

Obviously, the "it's separate" counts doubly when it's a change of plane (or in some cases aircraft type)even without change of flight #.

This can produce comic/tragic results at times when the second leg leaves without the first; I'm fairly sure it's happened at least twice on AA flights I was on - in the case I'm less sure of I think AA 129 (SJC for NRT) had a leg LAS-SJC which was on a smaller plane (but I may have misunderstood what was going on there), and I know they did the same with AA 46 at some points (SFO-ORD-LHR where SFO-ORD was narrowbody, and when we were late, the ORD-LHR 777 leg left without the ongoing passengers. Fortunately for me, my ORD-LGA leg was delayed even longer than SFO-ORD, but the London-bound folks were understandably livid.)

sbm12

Yes and no.

It counts as a take-off and a landing and it counts as a dot/line on my maps. It also counts as BIS miles flown. But it doesn't count as a visit to the country/state/city where the stop happened. I recently flew ACC-ROB-BRU. I earnt FF credit for ACC-BRU and only one EQP but on my map it is two segments and all the miles. But I do not consider myself to have visited Liberia. Even had I deplaned and hung out in a transfers lounge I wouldn't have counted that.

swag

The only time I count segments is for status qualification, in which case the airline sets the definition. What's the point of having your own personal tally of the exact number of flights? Bragging rights?

FlyinDutchman

For instance, in case you keep track of your flights on flightmemory.com or other sites, if you don't set it up as two different segments your mileage and routes can be different from what you have actually flown...

follonica2

I questioned the guys at flightmemory.com and they were uninterested in adding that multi-stop flight functionality. So I am uninterested in using their website.

sipes23

Or you could enter each segment under it's number. For example:

UA232323 ORD > LAX
US232323 LAX > PSP

Or whatever the exact combo is. That's how I've always kludged this sort of thing at flightmemory.com.

Rejuvenated

Usually no. For example I've taken CX's YYZ-HKG vv flights when it had the ANC stopover and I always treat it as one YYZ-HKG vv segment as oppose to YYZ-ANC & ANC-HKG vv.

Weean

OK, on a forthcoming itinerary I clear Canadian customs (YYZ, on the last flight from LHR), take the inter-terminal train from T1 to T3, check-in to the on-site Sheraton (I believe I can do all this with out once going outside). The next morning I take myself back to T1 and get the first flight to IAH. Have I visited Canada?

Oh, and I do appreciate that it's bit stupid, but the 767 is missing from my log (http://openflights.org/user/weean), plus AC still dole out free booze. The things we Flyertalkers do!

gt_croz

Because I've chosen to use flightmemory.com to log my flights, and they don't support a multi-stop flight, I count them as multiple legs. Otherwise, the flight path and the list of airports is off.

sbm12

You definitely get credit for the dot (YYZ) and the lines (LHR-YYZ and YYZ-IAH). Beyond that it is a toss-up in my book. You've only shown up there because it was where the connection was, not because you were really "going to Canada." That said, you're performing a tourist event - staying in a hotel - and that is probably enough that I'd count it. You're also clearing immigration and dealing with all that. If you didn't have the overnight I would definitely not count it.

I'm doing a similar itinerary in January, flying NYC-YYZ-MUC and then SZG-FRA-YOW-NYC with the TATL bits on AC just for the lines (and the $300 lower airfare). Indeed, the things we do.

Herb687

Yes, my record keeping is leg based so I count each segment of a through flight. I log flight time, runways, tail number, etc. for each leg so the only way this would work would be to count every takeoff and landing, even if just intermediate stops of a through flight. My logbook doesn't tie to my FF statements since that's not the point.

WillieWatkins

You live a rich and fulfilling life.

CMK10

I do. A flight to me is defined as a take off and a landing. I also keep statistics on flight times so doing it as a "direct" would be a lot more complicated for me.

I counted my WN PHX-SFO "direct flight" with a stop in SNA as two flights this year and I think I made the right choice.